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  I shall never forget the cr4pp that was written on here last year concerning alboum photo in the gold cup. Totally dismissed and not mentioned ......typical ! |
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Irishone if you look back at the percy thread I think you will find it wasn’t totally dismissed by everyone there were plenty of hints it was my fancy.
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Don't know about anyone else,but personally I don't always mention horses I fancy or back.
I think that's the first time Darver Star has been mentioned,but anyone who looks at form knows he's there. |
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Hindsight is a great thing,but you cannot blame anyone for not thinking ABP would win the Gold Cup during the build up.
Their were signs nearer the day and particularly on the day though that he was fancied to run a big race |
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Irishone
It wasn’t on the percy thread can’t remember which one it was on. |
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Logically that’s correct bud,but sometimes you get a feeling and there was something about the way he raced at punchestown in the race where Russel outfoxed Townend that made me think he was very good.
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Fair enough Foxy,you did well.
I just jumped on on the day so you got a nice juicy price,although 16/1 winner is satisfying, even if I had backed others antepost!! |
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To be honest bud I don’t think I got any bigger than 16 it was after tramore I backed him not after punchestown.
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Irishone, in no way have I overlooked Darver Star. My last post was a response to comments about horses already mentioned above. If you think the horse has been overlooked, you are making a contribution to the discussion by mentioning it, but it seems a bit odd to go down the "typical of this forum to have overlooked it" line. None of them were mentioned until someone mentioned them.
The Darver Star formlines behind Envoi and Honeysuckle may well make him the best Irish trained candidate should those two not run. I certainly don't see why he should be a bigger price than Supersundae at present. FWIW I think this is the one Championship race where the Irish contingent is significantly weaker than the British (although I think Paisley Park will take a hell of a lot of beating, I think the Irish challenge to him has more depth than the British). |
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The cheltenham gold cup 2019 is the thread
Read it and see all the usual protagonists, he wont stay, his jumping isnt sound all the usual cr4p from the empty vessels. Meat loaf and lewisham ranger were the only two to come out of it with any kudos. Yes its a forum, just like a newspaper it seems, and the vast majority making the most noise on here, clearly have no clue. |
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but didnt5 you put up the fav ? ie percy
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Irishone it was the Ryanair thread however I made a proper tw.t of myself in suggesting a certain lady jockey wouldn’t be good enough at the very top level.
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Don't worry about it Foyles.....apparently we are not allowed opinions during the build up, if those opinions are proved wrong.
So anyone like to tell me what this forum is all about? |
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I saw it mentioned last year Irish was it upu that posted it?
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Read it and see all the usual protagonists, he wont stay, his jumping isnt sound all the usual cr4p from the empty vessels.
Charming!!! |
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You know what they says about opinions budd
Opinions are great if they come from a trusted , knowledgeable source. You go back on here and look at some of those opinions after the event. It is clear many are guessing in the main. Dont get me wrong, everyone is entitled to am opinion, free forum free country etc etc etc But it doesnt give cart blanche to he or she to shout loudest , day after day and freely distribute their bile on people who could make the forum a much better place and give up posting their valuable opinions. |
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Well most of my opinions are based on form, and my interpretation of form, and my feeling about possible improvement....especially with novices.
Yes at times I am guessing,particularly if the form is not there and potential may be. Its a tricky game if you aint in the know, but a big part of Cheltenham for me is the build up and discussing/debating on here. Not much I can do about it if some on here don't like that,short of not doing it anymore and that aint happening. |
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Fair enough budd
Glad you understand If someone came on here from say ....hendersons stable Knew his stuff inside out Would he be recognised as an astute opinion? I doubt it very much |
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bud has it right, and regardless if its informed info or just opinion its great to hear others opinion as it
does help to build a bigger picture of a race. Someone might point out something you had not looked into. |
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just do yourselves a favour and get on EPATANTE, with it's master jockey Barry "Hands loike shhilllk" Geraghty
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id ratrher burn my money :-)
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Irish this will always happen in any environment like this whatever the subject when you have professionals and non professionals trading opinions anonymously . There are many forums around relating to my profession. I would not entertain participating just to tell the non professionals they are idiots because they don’t work in my industry. If there were matters of fact that I could use my experience to correct people on I would, if they were matters of opinion I would accept that and acknowledge that sometimes those closest to a subject are the least likely to demonstrate objectivity and often quite set in their ways and occasionally a bit quick to dismiss views unless they know it has come from the right profile of person. Very often it is the naive or the novice that teach the wise and the wisest people of all are the ones that recognise that there are very few people they cannot learn something from.
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It definitely builds a bigger picture of a race
.....but the picture is flawed if certain parts of it are the wrong colour or totally out of focus. The assumption that people on here look into things is interesting. Vast majority defend their opinions to the hilt because of something they read someone said, saw it on t v, or its in the formbook, ratings (ha ha) or google or wickapaedia. Research extends beyond the remote and the keyboard unfortunately. |
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Personally think we should all respect that we are allowed opinions,and should be allowed to voice opinions without getting belittled by those that, for whatever reason,think they are superior in their knowledge of the game.
Of course their are posts I have read, and no doubt written, that were at the time or later on, a load of tosh!! But we are all capable of deciding whether to take notice or not. And this is an exchange forum, where we are taking money off each other, so trust can be a tad dubious. I don't think personally I have ever posted to mislead anyone, and hope I never do. |
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Epatante
Who'd of thought 2 runs after getting well beaten at the Festival last year,she'd be the Champion jolly? |
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Interesting view miltons but very much social services to me
Most on here are looking for kudos above their peers Most on here pick their selection then look for things they can say to back up their choice They then cling to their logic in defence (if required) We have a limited idea of their intellectual level or their knowledge or understanding of the sport Yet this passtime satisfies their daily needs |
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Wish I had thought about her after the Mares nov Hurdle last year.....lord knows what price she was!!
I suspect I weren't the only one that did not, but fair play to anyone with big prices that must have been available then, and earlier in the season. Not backed her and now cannot at the price. But its an open race and I have hope to profit on the race. |
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With 43000 posts irishone you certainly seem to enjoy this pastime
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Blimey, I thought I was bad enough
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well its up to each individual what to post and what opinion to take notice of so why dont we get back to the champion hurdle?
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Yes foxy , thats due to a bags gang back in the day .
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....and the difference was
Those guys All professional gamblers Knew what they were on about. |
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Forgive my ignorance irishone but what is a bags gang ?
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irish we get your point, bluntly any other horses you like or are you just on Darver?
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About 12 years ago there was a daily bags thread on the greyhound forum, many would bet all day, the daily banter on the forum was brilliant and relieved the boredom.
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No callisto just darver
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Is there anyone on herethat you would follow foxy ?
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So you are a dogs man and are still confused as to whether I am a man or woman or were you just interested in Irish dogs (only joking)
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Irishone I enjoy talking about horse racing and for many many years have got by in this game and that’s long before the exchanges came along,on this forum the Cheltenham forum there are a lot of very enthusiastic racing lovers who give there honest opinions I enjoy that ,of course there are some who are to dogmatic and my experience in this game can only end in tears. I remember around 15 years ago on these forums a few who thought they had the game by the bo.lox ,I met some of them at the racecourse nice lads but didn’t stand the test of time which only a very few do,backing horses is a roller coaster there are times you think you are invincible then times you cannot get a thing right and that will always be the case no matter who you are.there are some on here who have never denied it’s a hobby to them which is great and I would hopefully always show them respect.
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