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Massive difference on here
Between genuine horsey people Who punt ....and guessers who Dont know about horses Trainers or jockeys Yet they comment As if they know it all You wouldnt mind if they had a decent strike rate ! |
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Nothing to defend Duffy as I was not suggesting you do. I constantly teach my daughter that if you aim for the stars you may not reach them but you won’t come back down with just dust either. I am old and weather beaten by life, but the minute I stop trying to make things better is the day they may as well dig a hole and put the lid on. IMO this forum while I accept may well be better than many others could be much better and I have read numerous comments in the past from posters concerned about how many people are leaving. Well people can continue to be concerned but do nothing or try to make things better. If you do not believe it can get better or nobody can be bothered to try then I think you will need a lot of luck to keep it compelling enough to attract new posters and address current attrition levels.
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others should collectively help drive a shift in behaviour in that person.
care to elaborate? |
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Btw ‘you’ is the collective you
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I would be happy to elaborate if you feel anybody would be interested. It might have to wait till this evening as I am currently giving myself a *0lloking for not getting on with my work
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I won't be about this evening but I will look forward to reading your thoughts, if you can come up with an idea that beats simply "ignoring them" I would be interested, they'd want attention so to deny that would be the best approach, the mistake that many make and then complain about trouble and mischief makers is that they themselves can't bear to let a disparaging comment go without replying, this just prolongs things.
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Decided not to block anyone on here,not really my thing.
To be labelled a racist was a bit much and something that i took great exception too,but blocking is not the way for me. Speaking of which......if i could be referred to my post that prompted that accusation,i would be most grateful. |
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budd,
I don't think I've ever read anything from you that could be remotely described as offensive in anyway let alone racist. |
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Cheers Duffy,its certainly never my intention on here thats for sure.
If i have offended anyone,i would like to clear it up and move on. I realise this a forum where we dont know each other,but offending people is something i am not comfortable with,whether they know me or not. |
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In response to Duffys post 15.19
Apologies for any of this that comes across preachy or pompous. It is not my intention but I have finite time available and may not convey my thoughts as well as I would like. In a previous role I had approx 15 people leaders report into me. Two of the 15 were making bad choices and not setting a good example to their respective teams. Almost on a daily basis I would have at least one of the remaining 13 leaders come and complain about the two. It was the same kind of stuff over and over. With different people essentially taking it in turns to get angry, frustrated and so on.their reason for coming to see me was basically for me to rescue them. They could not see beyond the fact that I was the leader of the troublesome 2 and it was my job to make them step back into line. I refused to rescue them and helped them understand that if the 13 stick together they will have more impact on the other 2 than I ever could by playing the boss card. After a little while the penny started to drop and the 13 collaborated and started to peer lead the other two. They made it clear what behaviours were not acceptable and equally made it clear that they were together as a unit and that anybody that wanted to swim against the tide would drown. Once they properly embraced the power of the collective and lead by unity the other two very quickly made different and better leadership choices. I believe a similar opportunity exists here. I see individuals taking it in turns to battle other individuals. I see behaviour from some that I I expect the majority find unacceptable or distatsteful but I never witness a collective response. Individuals are left to fight their battles. Budd has been accused of being a racist. He or she has posted on here for years and only one person has deemed it necessary to speak up for him. Is it ok for this forum to make accusations like this. Is this just a problem between budd and one or two others or does this breach a broader set of values that the collective need to embrace and stand for. I have no idea if Budd is racist or not but if this is fair game and there is no collective stand then nothing will change. All this can be as formal or informal as you like. You can send a survey out for example and solicit people’s views on a whole range of topics. What do you like about the forum, what could it do better, what don’t you like, what could be done to reduce the things you don’t like. Is it better or worse than it was, why so, what could be done to change. Do you post more or less than you used to, why, would you recommend the forum to others if not why etc. What kind of forum do you want it to be. No rules of engagement, complete freedom of speech, or do you want it to be a little more purposeful and achieve certain objectives. If so what do you feel these objectives should be e.g win money, share important information and these objectives take priority over other objectives and there is a collective push to help achieve these objectives and call out behaviour that is at odds with achieving them. There could be a few rules of engagement. Just one for example ...In certain situations individuals could get asked to take it off line (when a few people are at each other’s throat and it is taking a thread over) then the collective tell them to settle privately (they can message the hell out of each other) The collective as I put it can be formal or informal. It could be a smallish group of seasoned and very well respected forumites or it could be any group of posters with a shared view posting one after enough - hey guys enough is enough. Alternatively folks could be reading this and be thinking wtf is this idiot banging on about. It’s just an effing forum ffs. If that is basically how people feel then I guess what will be will be,but I cannot help thinking that there are folks on here that believe it used to be a lot better on here than it is now and might want to join with others to try and get it back closer to what it was. |
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Mob rule sophie ? Wow …...
The problem is micro-aggressive racist behaviour. Brief and commonplace daily indignities, whether intentional or unintentional, that communicate derogatory, or negative slights and insults toward any group. These are remarks I refer to. The Chip on the shoulder remark often aimed at Irish people. The Irish won very few before Gigginstown is untrue. The Percy only won an RSA is also untrue. |
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I'm not ashamed to admit I do have several here on 'ignore' solely for their non-receptive to differing views, and inability to be civil and respectful to one another - personal abuse and infantile behaviour and name calling unacceptable to me. We are all adults (I hope).
Horse racing is only a sport, with opinions aplenty; an activity of pastimes. Thus, learn to enjoy both the horses and diversity and opinions of posters here. Anything else is a bonus. I think the title of the header is controversial, and a catalyst to polarise opinions of some contributors to the extreme. |
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It speaks volumes that you interpret having a collective collaborating against poor beghaviour as mob rule. The behaviour of the two in my example was really poor. The behaviour of the 13 was excellent. It was only when the 13 collaborated to address the two that the two changed their behaviour and made much better choices that not only benefitted them but the people that were previously suffering under their poor leadership. The term mob rule is a very negative intent interpretation of my message and you do not know me anywhere near well enough to reach that judgement. The fact that you have gone there so quickly without any attempt to seek clarification is why others may make the chip comments. I suspect it has nothing at all to do with the fact that you are Irish but more about how instantly you assume negative intent with your judgement without clarifying first. People that do this are often accused rightly or wrongly of having an agenda, a grudge or a myopic view of things. I have no idea if you have a chip or not. I do think, rightly or wrongly you are on the receiving end of these comments based on the way you communicate far more than your nationality.
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Sophie I dont need or want to know you , its an anonymous forum !
The situation you describe is manipulating people to behave in a certain way , probably in a business environment (although you haven't said) by a form of hegemony , using the majority to subjugate the minority. This is an open anonymous forum where anyone can put up whatever they like within boundaries laid out in betfairs terms and conditions. That makes it rich , diverse and often rewarding. Manipulating people in the way you have described is weird , might have worked in a business , but the forum thrives on the outrageous, the odd and the weird , would love to see it work. |
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Miltons is refering to coaching,listening,steering and having unbiased views as any decent consultancy firm could help out with but maybe too time consuming for some
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You say manipulate I say influence. Manipulate is a much more negative way of seeing it than influence. I have changed my approach for the better a million times by being influenced by the words and actions of others. When I get repeated feedback by a number of people I tend to take note and rather than take the view that it is a majority trying to manipulate me into their way of thinking I internalise their message, reflect and am often influenced positively to change. I see this very much as a good thing. I see the positive intent in their feedback.
Anyhow you are of course free as you like to accuse me of being a advocate of mob rule and a fan of manipulating minority views. Good luck with your punting I wish you luck in your battle against the bookies. |
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Cheers sophie.
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Milton,
With regards to the 13 and the 2 DID YOU ORDER A CODE RED!!!!  |
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impossible123 18 Mar 19 21:02 Joined: 07 Sep 15 | Topic/replies: 10,090 | Blogger: impossible123's blog
Has a Gold Cup runner ever been trained by a traveller? Or no runner permissible from that quarter. Rate reply: | report block user johnslad johnslad 18 Mar 19 22:04 Joined: 25 Feb 12 | Topic/replies: 242 | Blogger: johnslad's blog Crawl into a hole ffs Rate reply: | report block user irishone irishone 18 Mar 19 22:16 Joined: 22 Sep 06 | Topic/replies: 40,889 | Blogger: irishone's blog Easter hero named after 1916, was bred from an Arab Rate reply: | report block user buddeliea buddeliea 19 Mar 19 07:03 Joined: 19 Mar 04 | Topic/replies: 14,722 | Blogger: buddeliea's blog I think theres one or two that need to crawl into a hole to be honest. Imp would not be one on my list. Rate reply: | report block user YOU REFERRED TO MILTON SOPHIE POST BUT THEN NOT AGAIN WHEN THE DAGGERS WERE DRAWN AND NO SUPPORT FORTHCOMING IN YOUR CORNER,IN YOUR POST YOU REFERENCED IMP123 REGARDING MY POST SO YOU DID READ THE POST AND AS I STATED BEFORE I LIKE TO READ MORE THAN POST ON HERE HENCE 240 ODD POSTS COMPARED TO 14,000 ODD YOU DEFENDED IMP123 WHO'S POST ALONG WITH THE OTHER'S WERE THE NIGHT BEFORE SO YOU KNOW MY POST WAS AIMED AT HIM YET YOU STILL POSTED,THIS WILL BE MY 2ND LAST POST ON HERE |
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Well to be honest i did not take much notice of imp's post really,but if his post was meant to be racist then of course i would not condone it.....who would??
So i saw the post,but did not take much notice. If you want to know why i said theres one or two that need to crawl in a hole,and not imp,well thats because over the last few weeks and longer i have come to that conclusion. Now if Imp was to come on here and say his post was meant in a racist way,well he can get into that hole alongside the other one or two. As for me being Racist as you said, well if you dont believe me when i say you could not be further from the truth,then thats that really. All the best. |
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Hola, which post of mine has got someone's back up? Please enlightened?
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many of your posts are dogmatic and littered with your pontifications which are mostly based upon unresearched ignorance.
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Duffy
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Well I did write a reply and pressed the reply button and all that appeared was the word Duffy.
So yes I ordered a complete lock down. Nobody left the building until the two pledged to obey every one of my commandments unconditionally, Actually the 13 and 2 became 15 and zero and I didn’t utter a single word. As you can probably imagine I love happy endings. Not holding out much hope for that here sadly. |
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So I think i get it now Duffy. I am not the sharpest tool in the box so you may have to dumb it down a bit
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Milton,
Probably fair to say that you're in the argument of being the sharpest, but yes, I was joking with my reference to "A few good men"  |
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So just to manage expectation..... Barry Norman I am not ... just about hanging on by my finger tips here
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So just to manage expectation..... Barry Norman I am not ... just about hanging on by my finger tips here
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Maybe not Barry Norman but perhaps juror no.8
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I'm still waiting to be enlightened why someone would think one if my posts is racist. I've 'irishone' on 'ignore' as I firmly believe he's a massive chip on his shoulder, and non-conducive to a discussion platform like this one. Also, I do not value his opinions as they are trading induced.
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Has a Gold Cup runner ever been trained by a traveller? Or no runner permissible from that quarter.
That one Imp....maybe a good idea to explain it? |
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Thanks. I was merely asking if a Gold Cup runner has ever been trained by a traveller ie someone from the gypsy community. The reason I asked that was I understood Norton's Coin was trained by a full-time farmer (if memory served), so merely wanting to know whether a traveller has achieved having a runner in the Gold Cup.
Was that an unreasonable question to ask? No loaded or untoward intention meant. It'd be quite a feat, if so. Does anyone agree? Personally, it's similar to asking why no gelding allowed to run in The Derby for anyone not verse with t&c of certain races. |
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It would help if you had a brain imp
On a thread entitled the dominance of ireland You ask if a traveller has ever won a gold cup Why didnt you ask on the gold cup thread ? Why associate travellers then gypsies with ireland ? Its because you are racist pal ...... |
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Imp123,
EXPLAIN...in reply... On a thread entitled the dominance of ireland You ask if a traveller has ever won a gold cup Why didnt you ask on the gold cup thread ? Why associate travellers then gypsies with ireland ?  |
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I've only associated the title of the header with Cheltenham as it was put up on Cheltenham week probably Presenting Percy induced; there were also data posted with brief discussions about whether the British or Irish trainers had more winners. As such, it was plainly obvious (to me); I also referenced Norton's Coin to a Cheltenham Gold Cup victory.
If my post had given the impression that travellers were Irish I can assure everyone it certainly was not the intention; if a bin bag was black I'd say...could you please pass me a black bin bag? Similarly, when I was a witness of a daylight robbery at a petrol pump I told the officer the person responsible was white; if the robber had been black or Chinese or Albino I'd say so. I'd not say he was non-white when he was black or Chinese. I'm PC but not to the extent when PC is unhelpful or used incorrectly, and not accordingly. I think (sometimes) posters here need to take a chill-pill...it's only horse racing, and no more; it's also only a sport, and it attracts multiple facets of opinions and personalities. Hopefully, not narcissists who I detest big time and put on 'ignore'. |
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^^
I also like to add I referenced Norton's Coin being trained by a full-time farmer when winning the Gold Cup. |
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If a bin bag was black .....
If the robber had been black or chinese ..... So chinese people are just as easy to recognise as black people ? Get out of that hole you have dug for yourself with an apology The word you are looking for is SORRY |
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Don't blame the messenger boy
  wirishone • March 29, 2019 7:50 AM GMT If a bin bag was black ..... If the robber had been black or chinese ..... So chinese people are just as easy to recognise as black people ? Get out of that hole you have dug for yourself with an apology The word you are looking for is SORRY |