How long before the BHA stop this slaughter ?

Buy spectacles for all the Irish stewards?

Could they not use brexit
To protect u k trained horses
With more weight for the irish ?

Thats my nap for cheltenham 2019 !

Yep...all they need to do now is win the 3 best races

Perhaps they could have the irish horses stopping after every circuit to show their passports.

Anyone praising Willieneeds to count how many of his chasers hit the deck.
Guessing somewhere between 10 and 20.
Maybe if I am sad enough with some time,i will count them.

@buddeliea

Mullins had 10 fallers (including hurdlers but not counting Sandsend who broke his leg).

1 Livelovelaugh
2 Bonbon Au Miel
3 Al Boum Photo
4 Douvan
5 Bacardys
6 Let's Dance
7 Salsaretta
8 Stormy Ireland
9 Bachasson
10 Total Recall

and how pylonthepressure never hit the deck is anyones guess!!!

We need the same carrots,team sky comes to mind!

Cheers Ram, thats rather a lot,6 chasers and 4 hurdlers.Actually thought it was more chasers to be honest.

So far as I can see, Mullins had 10 fallers, Elliott and King had 2 each and no-one else had more than one.

Aye but Mullins had about 300 runners.

Aye but Mullins had about 300 runners.


Mullins had 62 runners which is twice as many as Elliott (32) or Henderson (34) so it is still disproportionate, though we are dealing with small numbers of fallers so luck plays a large part. You'd want to look at whole seasons before drawing conclusions.

Nice bit of deflection lads
The bha sent drug investigators
Into mullins and elliots yard
One week before the festival
Now its over .... its oh dear
Look at the fallers
Desperate measures needed lads
Cant have the english being shown
Up by the irish can we lads
Sssssshhhh dont mention twickers !

I,i suspect,like most Cheltenham fanatics,just just want to see good racing and get some winners.
Personally find all this Brits v Irish in horse racing boring to be honest.
All about watching these lovely animals perform for our benefit.Where they are trained is not really that important as far as i am concerned.

Think you might be better off on the Football Forum.
They like all this tribal stuff.

It does have an impact though on British racing as a whole. Don't forget that all of the prize money (that comes from UK punters) going back to Ireland deprives GB owners, trainers and stable staff of potential income. The same is true of Wimbledon, Open Golf etc. in that the gate money and TV rights contribute to prize money but with racing it is the levy on betting from GB punters that largely funds the prize money. Sadly GB trainers are very reluctant to try to get much of it back by competing in Ireland or France although there a few notable exceptions.

Well that's a fair point and worth discussing Sage.

All this us Irish are better than Brits stuff....no thanks.

a lot of bollox has crept in over the last few years and the betsh1te cup is top of the list
GB v ireland "the battle" is about as tedious as the punters v the bookies

Correction to the score last week btw


IRELAND 24 - ENGLAND 15

I can never understand why UK horses don't run more in Ireland

more racing over here = easier opportunities
logistically easier as less travelling and (mostly) no need for an overnight stay
typically heavier ground in winter

use a UK based jockey they wouldn't have the experience of irish courses
use an irish based jockey he won't know your horse

agree with sageform, not to mention all the money going home from all the foreign footballers

as for a lot of bollox creeping in
agree
lets start with the tribe that gathers in the marquee with the band behind the best mate stand. pi55ed as newts , never see a race , just like the streets of any english city on a saturday night ..... 

cheltenham once ouzed class .... now its classless

yes irish, that is the case for most racecourses over here on saturdays
chester, donny, haydock etc you name your course
p1ssed up eejits, at the races but not there for the races
think it was warwick a few weeks ago where there was booing when a long odds on shot in a novice chase got up late to beat a rag who looked like it was going to win
no class at all you are spot on there irish

Add Sandown to that,and to a lesser extent Kempton.
Just use a day at the races as somewhere different to drink.Doubt most of them see a horse.

Big change from when an application for membership of Cheltenham Race Club required 2 current members to endorse your application in writing and there was a 10 year waiting list! About as easy as getting a knighthood in the 1950's.

regarding runners back and forward across the Irish Sea or English Channel, the Irish seem willing to bring horses to Perth or Ayr where the prize money is only 50% of the Irish money these days but English trainers can't be bothered go the other way for £20 grand. When they do they usually do well.

When they do they usually do well
evidence of this from the last 5 years?

perth pay expenses to irish runners
not sure about ayr
in any case, its a short journey on the ferry to ayr
for trainers like gordon elliott even his worst horse in training is likely to find a p1ss easy race to win at perth in the summer

That's funny. Perth's a pleasant course without being known for the quality of the horses on show, apart from a few decent types blowing the cobwebs off at the September meeting.

couldnt believe my eyes when cheltenham winner of willies BENNY DES YEUX (Or similar) turnedd up and won at carlisle before last xmas

tizzard is 3/7 over here this year, ellison had a 123 at galway fry is. 2\5 , longsdon 1\1, mulholland does all right 1\4 , some of them do all right

varian and charlton were sh1t hot on the flat over here last
year 5/8 as i recall

Thank you irishone. Dandy Nicholls and Kevin Ryan have also won a few while Paul Nicholls and Henderson have won some big races at Punchestown.

For the people who aren't bothered if British National Hunt racing is thriving or not I would say be careful about becoming complacent because before you know it grade 1 tracks like Kempton can become housing estates.

yeah thats true ..... think when arkle beat mill house it directly led to the demise of hurst park .....  cant stand losing...... lol

dandy nichols !

did they ever establish if that was suicide ? chucked in his training license andhad a couple of court cases coming up ...... died in his sleep?

Mar 22, 2018 -- 2:52PM, irishone wrote:

tizzard is 3/7 over here this year, ellison had a 123 at galway fry is. 2\5 , longsdon 1\1, mulholland does all right 1\4 , some of them do all right

how many graded racing victories are there irish (eg in the last 5 years)?

sprinter sacre did it

there are not many in recent memory

how many graded racing victories are there irish (eg in the last 5 years)?  there are not many in recent memory


wonder, since 2013:-


27.12.2017 (1.15)     Simply Ned (IRE)     Leopardstown (LH)     1/6     Walsh, M P    16/1     39.56    5.50     Richards, N G
29.04.2017 (5.00)     Sizing Codelco (IRE)     Punchestown (RH)     1/13     Power, R M    4/1     5.60    2.38     Tizzard, C L
27.04.2017 (6.05)     Minella Awards (IRE)     Punchestown (RH)     1/25     Fehily, Noel    7/1JF     11.68    3.10     Fry, Harry
27.04.2017 (5.30)     Unowhatimeanharry     Punchestown (RH)     1/12     Fehily, Noel    4/1     5.71    1.80     Fry, Harry
26.04.2017 (6.40)     Sizing Granite (IRE)     Punchestown (RH)     1/14     Power, R M    14/1     20.40    4.90     Tizzard, C L
25.04.2017 (5.30)     Fox Norton (FR)     Punchestown (RH)     1/8     Power, R M    5/2     3.70    1.43     Tizzard, C L
17.04.2017 (3.15)     Project Bluebook (FR)     Fairyhouse (RH)     1/7     Geraghty, B J    9/2     5.60    2.72     Quinn, J J
28.04.2016 (6.05)     Cup Final (IRE)     Punchestown (RH)     1/24     Power, R M    14/1     24.36    5.90     Henderson, N J
28.04.2016 (5.30)     One Track Mind (IRE)     Punchestown (RH)     1/9     Sheehan, Gavin    10/1     13.50    3.23     Greatrex, W J
27.04.2016 (6.40)     Irish Cavalier (IRE)     Punchestown (RH)     1/17     Moore, J M (5)    7/1     8.12    2.68     Curtis, Miss Rebecca
26.04.2016 (5.30)     Gods Own (IRE)     Punchestown (RH)     1/7     Brennan, P J    9/1     11.50    1.67     George, T R
29.03.2016 (3.55)     Top Gamble (IRE)     Fairyhouse (RH)     1/6     Johnson, Richard    5/4F     2.39    1.48     Lee, Miss Kerry
28.03.2016 (5.35)     Emily Gray (IRE)     Fairyhouse (RH)     1/6     Burke, Mr J J    EvensF     2.23    1.47     Bailey, K C
28.03.2016 (4.20)     Value At Risk     Fairyhouse (RH)     1/8     Skelton, Harry    11/4     3.90    1.57     Skelton, Daniel
27.03.2016 (4.15)     Kylemore Lough     Fairyhouse (RH)     1/6     Geraghty, B J    7/4     3.00    1.33     Lee, Miss Kerry
31.10.2015 (2.10)     Ptit Zig (FR)     Down Royal (RH)     1/8     Twiston-Davies, Mr S    4/5F     1.83    1.11     Nicholls, P F
5.04.2015 (3.20)     Bitofapuzzle     Fairyhouse (RH)     1/14     Fehily, Noel    3/1F     4.41    1.67     Fry, Harry
3.05.2014 (5.30)     Deep Trouble (IRE)     Punchestown (RH)     1/25     Fehily, Noel    16/1     22.21    5.01     Case, B I
3.05.2014 (4.55)     Chartreux (FR)     Punchestown (RH)     1/14     Scudamore, Tom    13/2     9.00    3.75     George, T R
1.05.2014 (6.40)     Gods Own (IRE)     Punchestown (RH)     1/8     Geraghty, B J    25/1     49.96    7.05     George, T R
30.04.2014 (4.55)     Beat That (IRE)     Punchestown (RH)     1/9     Geraghty, B J    11/8F     2.45    1.30     Henderson, N J
29.04.2014 (4.55)     Cool Macavity (IRE)     Punchestown (RH)     1/18     Geraghty, B J    9/1     11.00    3.32     Henderson, N J
21.04.2014 (5.35)     Une Artiste (FR)     Fairyhouse (RH)     1/12     Geraghty, B J    2/1F     3.06    1.67     Henderson, N J
21.04.2014 (5.00)     Shutthefrontdoor (IRE)     Fairyhouse (RH)     1/26     Geraghty, B J    8/1F     10.00    3.44     ONeill, Jonjo
28.12.2013 (2.55)     Bobs Worth (IRE)     Leopardstown (LH)     1/9     Geraghty, B J    11/4JF     4.20    1.86     Henderson, N J
2.11.2013 (3.05)     Rolling Aces (IRE)     Down Royal (RH)     1/7     Scholfield, Nick    9/4F     3.91    2.16     Nicholls, P F
24.04.2013 (6.05)     The Liquidator     Punchestown (RH)     1/11     Mangan, Miss J M    4/1     5.40    1.99     Pipe, D E
23.04.2013 (5.30)     Sprinter Sacre (FR)     Punchestown (RH)     1/5     Geraghty, B J    1/9F     1.15    1.08     Henderson, N J
2.04.2013 (5.05)     Nadiya De La Vega (FR)     Fairyhouse (RH)     1/12     McCoy, A P    7/2F     4.80    2.48     Henderson, N J

cheers duncan
about half a dozen a year then, most of them at punchestown
tbf that's more than I thought

Not the very high profile races but valuable prizes.

Must be worrying for the irish how they can be so good at hoovering up the tin-pot races and novices but when it comes to the championship races they still cant hack it

Agreed, the irish are like listening to Mourinho rave about the community shield and League cup whilst City are walking away with the league.

So what part of the planet did you descend from with with a prominent Irish name

They must overwork them at a young age, im betting Samcro wont win nowt in open company. Douvan, Faugheen, Min, un de sceaux what have these so called beasts won? A champion hurdle. Wow, Buveur dair's already won two of them and hes sh1t.

Maybe the need to introduce a winter break in irish racing?

its a shame foru

was trying to say

its a shame this forum
and many like it
start with good intentions
but end up with keyboard warriors
or wind up merchants

^
you mean a harmless bit of leg pulling