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I too distrusted the horse having backed CP a few times last year (including at Cheltenham), however my faith in the horse was restored when he ran a gallant second in a good race on seasonal reappearance. His most recent run was just to keep him ticking over and his handicap mark down before whichever big handicap they decide to run him in.
That Forza Milan looks like a decent prospect, certainly one of those "well that's no big surprise" horses should it win at Cheltenham! |
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Misterton in the County Hurdle
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Bluebird, agreed on Misterton. Kept away from winter ground and workable handicap mark.
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I'm thinking the same bluebird
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:-)
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good shout with misterton chaps
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I will be backing HELLS KITCHEN wherever it turns up. I think it will be the close brothers handicap race (I did put this up on another thread before it won this season.)
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Hells Kitchen been given 145; that handy for the 0-145 race!!
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Misterton ran well in the Greatwood despite the handicap of being ridden from the front with Tom Scudamore doing the steering. He appears well handicapped but it's rare that front runners win handicap hurdles at the Festival and if he needs to lead to be seen at his best then Aintree or Ayr would probably be better suited to that running style.
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Act of Valour has been given a mark of 136 for the Fred Winter. If he rocks up here, which I assume he will, he surely must have a great chance.
He should come on leaps and bounds for the better ground and being rated 97 on the flat gives him a touch of class. He beat 2 subsequent winners at Newcastle back before Christmas, notably Look My Way who has since come out and bolted up in and egg and spoon race at Ludlow before finishing second to Apples Shakira on Trials day. Look my Way has oddly been made favourite by a couple of firms at around 14-1 off of a mark of 135. Given he has the beating of him and is only rated a 1lb superior at around 20-1, he surely must be a nice angle into the race. Since his victory at Newcastle, he has since ran behind We Have A Dream, a leading Triumph hope twice. Once on ground much to slow for his liking up at Mussleborough and the other time at Doncaster where he ran flat with the Stewards Report below: Following the race, A. P. Heskin reported that ACT OF VALOUR, placed sixth, ran flat and the Veterinary Officer reported that a post-race examination of the gelding during routine testing failed to reveal any abnormalities. With Paul Nicholls incredible record in the race it wouldn't surprise me to think he has been laid out for this since his win at Newcastle. He has the beating of the favourite, a nice official rating and will likely see improvement from the better ground. 20-1 to me looks to be a knocking bet each way in this. |
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BON PAPA, in the Close brothers race, A total g1t of a horse who will need some performance from the jockey to coax him home, but a horse that IMO possesses a stack of ability and I'm sure is better than the 139 he is currently rated.
He travels like a dream through his races and was the last horse off the bridal in the Neptune last year before typically sticking his head in the air. In the Flogas the other day, whilst most were concentrating on Monalee and co, bon papa was hacking in behind and was just beginning to make ground on the snaff when he made a blunder that put paid to him. I wouldn't be surprised to see some form of headgear on him wherever he turns up next, he's awkward but very classy I think. He certainly does not want to be going anything more than 2 and a half miles so the novice handicap will be perfect where he'll get in nicely, you'll get your money's worth as he'll travel best, the jockey will earn his money at the business end...why did Carberry retire?? ![]() A Mcmanus special I think. |
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Year after year this particular thread degenerates into a "spot the JP McManus plot horse" guessing game and a little piece of me dies with each successive post. No idea why people are still so fixated on JP McManus in 2018.
Here are a few horses that have nothing whatsoever to do with JP McManus which I hope will run well in various Festival handicaps: Close Brothers Novice Chase - Diego Du Charmil & Kalondra Fred Winter Juvenile Hurdle - Nube Negra Pertemps Hurdle - Calett Mad & Cresswell Legend County Hurdle - Moon Racer & Divin Bere |
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Whether Bon Papa is a Mcmanus horse or no is beside the point, he isn't being stopped to land a handicap, he's not a plot, he's a tricky ride that IMO is better than his rating, which is the point of the thread, my comment regarding a Mcmanus special wasn't intended as it would normally apply, perhaps I should have been clearer but thought I had pointed out how the horse is tricky, I just mean they may back it because they know they have a horse better than his mark, with no underhandedness involved.
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Gold Present down to run Saturday, if it does, dont think it will run in The Ulimate
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When is the handicaps revealed
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I believe entries for all handicaps close on Feb 20th, weights published a week or so later.
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Thanks alot
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Gold Present nr today
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BigF Le Breuil into 16/1 with 365. On the move.
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Thanks Liberator, I never did get on at 25s, not sure now whether to take the 16 e/w or wait and hope for a bigger price on here on the day and lump on win only
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16/1 not a great price to play e/w for me, would rather just back it hard win only and take it on the chin if it loses, just the question of whether to wait til the day or not take that chance incase it gets smashed in a lot more
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Gold very doubtful now, may run Saturday, then to Aintree
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Entries for the handicaps was yesterday and still we have no news, horse racing (like dog racing) is fkin stuck in the stone age. FFS they should be available online within the bloody hour not days later
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Weights for Handicaps to be revealed next Wed 27 Feb as per Phil Smith on ATR yesterday
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weights out now coral cup thomas hobson 11st 1 lb thank yuou very much
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Where Irishone?
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Thomas Hobson had 11-1 last year?
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Sorry lads googled 2018 CHELTENHAM WEIGHTS and was put onto a website with 2018 weights which were the 2017 weights .... counts
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haha :D
when will the betting on here be opened again for the handicap races? |
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One of the reasons for the delay in publishing handicap entries is the BHA handicapper has got to allocate marks to the cheating Irish entries.
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must be tough over there
watching irish trainers come over and win 19 of 28 festival winners last year my heart bleeds for you ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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All about winners, does anyone really care where that winner is trained??
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https://t.co/p6KOpYXEWY
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http://cheltenham.thejockeyclub.co.uk/more-information/news/handicap-entries-for-the-festival-revealed-1
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Weights announced 28th! Bye bye next Wednesday night and all day Thursday
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The Irish are just good at getting one ready !!!
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Fook me, Henderson playing games with Gold, now at 8/1 with 365, is he isn't he?
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Cashed out my bets on BEN DUNDEE in Martin Pipe hurdle. Run unplaced since I struck bets. Elliot still has about 15 entered including Flawless Escape 10-1 fav.
Consider myself lucky to get money back and will look at this race closer to the day. |
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Had my 1st handicap antepost bet the other day on Gold Present for the Ultima 10/1.
Already got good Festival form after coming 2nd last year and looks a much improved horse this season after wind op. Also the step up to 3m as brought improvement and if you look at form of last win its simply rock solid. Missed a couple of engagements due to a bruised foot apparently and no doubt the National is on the agenda but even off 155 I think the horse can take this en route to Aintree. |
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Weights are out - http://myemail.constantcontact.com/Weights-for-the-10-handicaps-at-The-Festival-unveiled.html?soid=1110108263682&aid=UJAv842w-go
Couple that stand out so far (not very original): Squouateur off 135. Based on last couple of years (134 lowest) he should get in. Tully East off 148. Nice prep run last time over 2m. Looks like Phil Smith has been less harsh on the Irish horses this year. |