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More i think of it the more i like Rocco.
As Foyles says the way the race will probably go it may well pay to have a horse like him on your side. Its entirely possible that any horse taking on Might Bite may well struggle to get home. easily see Rocco placing and if MB struggles to get home,may even win. Our Duke who stays forever is another that has to be onside imo,big player if comes back to form. Another at nice odds is Double Shuffle,unknown at the trip but is improving for being stepped up,and possible could improve more for another step up.He will probably be off the pace as well. Going to be a very intriguing race. |
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Might Bite to jump and run 'em ragged!
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Could well happen.......Denman!!
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rocco is inconsistent but if you respect native river you have to respect rocco , he needs a thorough test and might bite will give him that
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Backed both in last years Gold Cup, was a huge advocate of the 2016 National Hunt Chase being a right good race
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that was a great day , dereck didnt know he had the mount until a few days before , better ride than the athenry horse in the amateur four miler chicgo grey s
Him and coddy are way above the likes of so many eng!ish jockeys ! |
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harking back to the king george hendo said of mite bite "we held onto him due to the ground " that got me thinking ,mite bites feltham performance fell at the last when well clear, and the rsa well clear when idled and veered right ,could be the horse needs company to keep his concentration and mind on the job and hendo said they will have to make a plan for him in the gold cup after the final fence ,may be they will hold on to him again similar to the king george type race than the trail blazing rsa and feltham performances .
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Any MB backers getting a tad nervous?
If you are, watch the RSA again.I just have. Blimey that was impressive, strung them out from a long way out. Might want to close your eyes for a few seconds after the last, but open them up again and see how he gets going again right to the line. Watching that again makes me more confident he will get home fine,and a darn sight better than any horse trying to take him on.......imo. |
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Might Bite has the credentials to win the Gold Cup with/out the presence of SJ. If he jumps the last infront, and should anything untoward happen c'est la vie - that's horse racing.
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I did the same last week Budd & then proceeded to back him outright & in a double with Buveur. That run in last year’s RSA reminded me of Denman, galloping them into submission.
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Nice one,wish you well with your bets.
Yeh that was some performance and jumps well this year he could well do something similar. |
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I don't think he would get away with those RSA antics in a Gold Cup but he may be well clear going to the last so the easy solution is to lay off at 1.4 or lower in running. The gate to the paddock will still be before the winning post so beware.
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I think Hendo might request a direction arrow ---> to indicate finishing line for MB where the paddock gate is, just in case.
I cannot wait for the Festival to begin, but already had an antepost (Death Duty) knackered prior to event similar to last year with Getabird; the rest will go to post, here's hoping! |
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Might Bite is heading straight to the Festival, connections have confirmed.
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Definitly Red added,16 I think is fair.
Jumped and travelled really well the other day, and will be staying on strong. Never had him on my mind at all, but have changed that, and now think he could well be suited to this kind of test. |
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In March 2017 I watched the Brian Ellison runner Definitely Red win the Grimthorpe by 14 lengths at Doncaster over 3m2f - that day I convinced myself that he was more than just an out and out stayer and that i would back him in any top graded chase if at a decent value price.
My confidence was knocked a bit when only coming 3rd in the Charlie Hall - but after some reflection I stuck to my initial thoughts after that Grimthorpe i.e that he would show his best at 3m2f+ on a track that required some getting and run at a faster pace. So i just kept backing him at silly prices for the Gold Cup His next run at Aintree in the Many Clouds Chase in December was run in atrocious conditions , he made the pace that day and i thought he was cooked 2f out as Cloudy Dream was seemingly travelling all over him .... but he picked up again and went away. For days after that race i was trying to work out if either Definitely Red had just put in a massive Grade 1 class performance in tough staying conditions and making Cloudy Dream & Flying Angel look like a hcappers , or was it simply down to the heavy going. I Just wasnt sure but i just kept backing him for the Gold Cup and to hell the consequences. His next run in the Cotswold , again in very soft conditions , has now shown his ability at travelling around there and jumping at a fast pace - they were really going some pace from 4 out and he hammered them whilst swishing his tail on the run in . He was backed down to 80s on the exchanges and 50s with the books before the race , and 25s in a place straight after. So after nearly a year since the Grimthorpe it looks like he will be taking his chance in the Gold Cup - Im now asking myself several questions pertaining to his chances in the Gold Cup. 1.Is he simply reliant on heavy ground to beat assumed classier horses ...or is he the class horse that ive been convincing myself of since the Grimthorpe and is still being underrated ? I think the majority would say, based on the formbook, that he needs it heavy to have any chance in the Gold Cup - If the ground did come up soft then i am personally convinced that he does not come out of first 3 bar a fall - but my personal view is that he is better than that. Ellison has also come out and said that he thinks Red will be better on good ground - ITV presenter asked him Is soft ground key to him ? Ellison " No, He has won on good ground , i think he will be better on good ground because he is not short of speed you know , as long as its not tacky because he is such a lovely mover, but he can go on heavy ". Im not totally convinced on the suitability of ground - but as i say i think he has progressed into a perfect Gold Cup horse 2.Is there a chance that he could actually stay the trip better than Might Bite and Sizing John , and does he have the class to match them and some of the other leading fancies ? "Class" is talked about too much imo when it comes to the Gold Cup - if you just look at the last 10-15 years of the Gold Cup there are several horses that have been placed in the race that most would have identified as horses as more of a National Type and lacked class. I actually think that Definitly Red is not only better than that pigeon hole that many would put him into , i actually believe that he progressed into a high class animal whose 3m2f+ performances will actually exceed past horses who many would believe to be classier horses. I dont think last years Gold Cup was that impressive - Minella Rocco got within 2 lengths of Sizing John on good ground 1st Sizing John 11-10 R M Power Mrs J Harrington 7 7/1 Held up in rear early, closed into mid-division 5th, effort after 4 out, challenged 2 out, soon led, stayed on well flat, ridden out opened 7/1 touched 7/1 2nd 2¾ Minella Rocco (IRE) 11-10 N D Fehily Jonjo O'Neill 7 18/1 Held up in rear, outpaced after 3 out, rallied last, soon went 4th, stayed on well flat, went 2nd post, no impression on winner opened 16/1 touched 20/1 3rd s.h Native River (IRE) 11-10 R Johnson C L Tizzard 7 7/2 Prominent, led 3rd, headed 7th, led 15th, not fluent 4 out, ridden and headed 2 out, stayed on under pressure flat but no impression on winner, went 2nd towards finish, lost 2nd post opened 9/2 touched 9/2 4th ½ Djakadam (FR) 11-10 R Walsh W P Mullins 8 3/1f I also think Might Bite is there to be shot at in a fast run race over 3m2f - but i wouldn't lay Might Bite ....as i would Sizing John and Native River . |
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I’m a fan of the horse Rozel and being a Northerner myself, would love to see him win.
My worry is that, although I’m sure Ellison is right and that he will go on good ground, I think heavy ground inconveniences other horses more. So they are notably better on decent ground, whereas this fella may not be. I agree that he is overlooked and in an open year certainly has the class to be in the hunt for a place, along with probably half a dozen others. He will be in my forecast/tricast combination for sure. Good luck with your bet |
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Sizing John has only run one bad race (Lexus) since up in trip; he won 3 Gold Cups, and is underrated, I believe. Might Bite could still be improving, and if running to his RSA form he'd have an excellent chance of beating the field, I think.
Definitely Red looked good in his last win, but the form still needs convincing. But the Lexus, I cannot give much credence to. |
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Its going to be a great race ...cant wait !
Come on Red ! make the pace and burn them all off ! |
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Despite being a massive Might Bite fan (to claify I mean in terms of this year's GC), I have to have a back up.
Decided upon Road to Respect, that despite not respecting his Lexus win at the time. He's been solid this year to be fair and has course form in the bag, which is always valuable. Whether he'll stay the extra two I don't know and I'm not really that fussed as I'm sure Might Bite will have won by several furlongs (this is a joke) before it becomes an issue. However think he's one to have inside and has disappeared off the radar a bit. Happy with 10/1 NRNB. |
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Native River has now proved his well being and is bang there in the Gold Cup picture.Has to have a fair chance and is a fair price at 13/2 imo.
I have a nice double on Buveur Dair and Might Bite from early season,and have tried to cover Might Bite with NR going in some multiples. My fear for NR,and indeed a horse i have backed Definitly Red is that they like to lay up with the pace,and i have this feeling that off the pace is where to be in a race that has Might Bite in it. Thats why i have backed Rocco,doing what he did last year could win him the race if MB dont stay,and others that have took MB on are paying the price. I do think MB will stay well enough,especially after watching the RSA again,to me that day proves he does,plus winning the KG the way he did also proves to me he does. But until he actually does do it over the Gold Cup distance it remains an opinion. |
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Edwulf another that could benefit from lying off the pace,available at 30 odd on here.
Think the horse is being somewhat ignored,but nowt wrong with that performance last time,and worth a few bob at that price imo. |
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Very impressed with Native River - he is probably my selection for this race now.
It could be argued that the winning distance was exaggerated by Cloudy Dream doesn't stay 3m properly, so every yard after about 2.5m he was treading water; but Native River's ability to set a relentless end to end gallop is a great sight. Slightly softer ground than last year would make him the one to beat imo. I get the record of beaten horses the next year etc, but I think his layoff will have done him good. Where the likes of Sizing John has had numerous really hard races since last years Gold Cup, as has Minella Rocco; Native River might not have the battle scars that most horses have when they run in the Gold Cup the next year (eg 3 or 4 really tough G1 3m chases between Gold Cups). Turning for home, if Native River and Might Bite were upsides, I'd personally prefer to be on Native River in a battle up the hill. |
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Yeh,i would not be too concerned about NR being a beaten horse last year,same with Rocco,they are both still relatively young horses.
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Get where you are coming from and agree about the layoff being super beneficial BUT that "beaten horses" is a tough stat to ignore isn't it. And for that reason I have gone for three - Might Bite, Sizing John and Bacchasson as my wild card.
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Yeah it is a powerful stat Billy, but for me it's balancing that stat vs he is more than double the price he was last year and looked just as good yesterday. He is Mr Consistent, so you know you'll get a really good run for your money. I'm hoping he can run the stamina out of Might Bite, of who I still have my stamina doubts about.
I love Sizing John, but after his last run and the amount of tough racing he's had in a short space of time is a big worry for me. Might Bite's King George did nothing for me personally, and the quirks he has would push me to the likes of Native River or Road to Respect. |
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Cant be having Native River over Might Bite, at all. Already neck deep Bite but taken a duck under. Remember all the raving about Bristol De Mai on one run and there's Native's bounce factor to consider, too. Previously got 80/1 Bite 2017 RSA, King George, Gold Cup treble and King George/Gold Cup double a few times. Went in again at 4/1 coz still think way too big, with Sizing John much to prove after flopping and lacking a run now
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All depends on what happens after the last woodman. If he runs straight he is an evens chance but...
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Does anyone know of any news/quotes from Twiston Davies after the loss of Blacklion today ?
Still none the wiser if he will actually take his chance in the Gold Cup rather than the Grand National ...or en route to the GN. |
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I think we can safely say Blaklion will not be running in Gold Cup after today. Will need 2-3 weeks rest after that.
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Pretty sure he said they'd have to think about the GC, if he hosed up today.
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I would be very nervous about any of the horses that finished their race at Haydock yesterday getting over it this season! Brutal conditions. The same thing could explain why Bristol de Mai has been poor since he won there earlier in the year.
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agree blacklion barely got over the last and it looked as though my granny woulda beat him on the run in , the george horse after looking a likely winner stopped as if shot .
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Noel Fehily to ride Our Duke in Gold Cup apparently.
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Come April I believe Definitly Red will be sitting off a mark of between 171-173.
Many will think im crazy when i say that I think Red is best staying chaser in Great Britain at the moment. Barring a fall or interference I not only believe that he can win this Gold Cup but i think he can win it with reasonable ease- He simply stays better and has the speed to match any of them - His jumping is also excellent whereas i believe that the rest have tons of issues in one or more of these departments |
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You could be right about Definitely Red but what has he beaten? Cloudy Dream was comprehensively beaten by 1st time out Native River (NR), and American had always flattered to deceive - travelled well but nothing at the business end. I think DR has many lbs to find on the others eg NR, MB, SJ and Our Duke.
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Just topped up on Def Red....20's too big imo.
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Can't see it myself but good luck fellas. If it came up soft then he'd have an ew squeek but there are a good few I'd fancy before him.
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If it came up soft I'd have more confidence in Nativer River and Our Duke over Might Bite and/or Sizing John on their Grade 1 form. These are my 4 on for free, and hope one will oblige.
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