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"I think a return to a Champion Hurdle dream is well and truly over"
I tend to agree with you there 'geoff m' (reluctantly) unless Yorkhill is not a natural jumper of fences, and connections finally accept that he'll not be a serious Gold Cup contender after more schooling sessions; we'll know by 8th March for sure. |
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I cant understand the negativity about the gallop. He is very inexperienced over fences... looked like it for the first three, then looked superb for the rest. The faster they go, the better he will be imo.
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I haven't backed him. But I don't think I have ever seen Walsh so animated than when talking to Paddy & Willie yesterday. From body language he looked pretty made up with how the gallop. If I was a backer, id be sat pretty smug right now
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One thing the gallop showed us is how much natural raw ability this horse has, a potential monster if everything falls right.
Ye won't see ruby look so excited on any other horse, he knows what he's got on his hands. |
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As a backer of Top Notch,i was quiet interested in that yesterday.
At the end of that gallop I was of the opinion that Yorkhill is some horse. My hope is that his jumping and settling does not come together well enough next week,if it does he will win imo. But I genuinely think that is open to doubt,especially if the JLT cuts up a lot,which I think it will. Will be an interesting race. |
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It will indeed budd, on at 8s after top notch's last win as a man who prefers to cover all bases and ensure profit whereever possible i'm quietly confident there might be a to good to be true style offer by one or more bookmaker for this Yorkhill in the coming week. Though i might just let him win. Haven't decided yet will depend on the offer.
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Well if Top Notch jumps and travels as well as his last race,we will have a serious run for our money STS.
In fact not many better travellers around imo.He was very good over hurdles in that regard as well. |
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Yorkhill may have tons in hand of the rest however, if he does a Thistlecrack (Cotswold Chase) early on Top Notch and one other will do him at the business end of the race, I believe; the ground (softish) will be in Top Notch's favour too.
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i123 - Cant see that happening. the further he goes the better he looks. Yorkhill doesn't look ground dependant to me at all.
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Does NO ONE on here remember Yorkhill looing large on the inside of the current champion hurdle favourite in last years Neptune??
Will not see which way he goes... Still hoping go Champion hurdle myself because be clear fav,Cant actually believe there not doing so. To win a bloody JLT...Bonkers |
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Even ive given up on that thought Jedi.
Wouldnt have schooled him over fences on SUnday if champion hurdle was on agenda. and he actually jumped really slick after stuttering at first few. I think hes potentially a monster of a horse if he can put it all together. |
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Vautour debacle was way later!!Think he is an absolute star also..Hope it keeps drifting due to all the concerns over jumping,to my eye nothing going remotely fast enough yet for him this year...When they do look out!
See him coming alongside Top notch on turn,Top Notch be thinking who is this ****g giant tank on my inner ![]() |
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I did not mean Yorkhill is ground dependent but Top Notch will have his ground; if Yorkhill lights up early like he did at Aintree and jumps the way he did at Punchestown he's likely to be beaten in the JLT. |
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I'm not too concerned about him being a touch keen with regards of him paying for it at the end, he pulled Walsh's arms out throughout the Neptune last year but still put the race to bed in a 50 yard burst after the home bend. I'd be slightly concerned about it affecting his concentration because he's not a natural, that mistake yesterday schooling was basically a guess, he couldn't decide to stick or twist and basically thought fook it!!
Agree with others that if he puts it all together on the day it will be a Vautour like exhibition, but with that flaw I won't be backing him at his current price. Even now, the CH would be an easier and more prestigious option, but that ship has sailed. I hope he gags up in the JLT. |
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Whilst I too think if he puts it all together Yorkhill will win,i have been wrong many times before,and I hope I am this time.Would be much better if all horses run their best at the festival,dont really want to win because another horse fell or something.
One thing I am confident about(as much as one can be in this game)is that Top Notch will run his race,he always seems to. I do know he has plenty of 2m speed from his hurdling days running some real good races at the top level. Very genuine horse,good traveller and jumps a fence very well(so far!!). I am excited with my Top Notch bet, and also excited at the prospect of a real good race. If Disko turns up here plus Polotilogue as well,could be a great race, cos they have chances as well. |
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I think only ill health with see to Yorkhill, Top Notch, Disko or Politologue not turning up. I think the full field plus a couple of no hopers right there. 6 or 7 runners max, 3 of which will be 33/1+ but probably should be 100/1+
Disko will likely go from the front again, unless Yorkhill just can't or won't settle as the small field won't help RW get him settled in behind. If that happened, could either possibly keep that pace level up? A question i think even at this early stage needs to be asked. Top Notch is a small, slick hurdler of a fence type horse that will try to come there 3 out. I can see this beast running exceptionally well, maybe 2nd best but if Yorkhill won't settle in the early stages of the race given the small field> possible we have the JLT winner right here? Politilogue probably needs a true run all out slog of a race from the front. Picks up the pieces at the end? Can see a 2/1-9/4 type offer around morning of the race for Yorkhill, possibly to £50 max. But honestly think the sp's will be close to 10/11-11/10 10/3 4/1 7s 33s bar a between 110 and 117% overround from the course books |
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Apologies if anyone misunderstands this
Politilogue probably needs a true run all out slog of a race from the front. Picks up the pieces at the end? WHat i mean is he prob will drop out and let the front 2 or Yorkhill get on with it, try to sneak closer 4 out then pick up the pieces from about 3 or 2 out. The bird may well have flown but if we have an all out war of a gallop up front from flag fall there is every chance this beast could run well too. One things for sure i love this time of year when we're all trying to 2nd guess how these races will play out ![]() |
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Jedi and others who dont understand why they are running in the bloody JLT - I dont believe its primarily to win the JLT (of course they want to and hope to) but they may have a future GC winner on their hands and they need to find out if its a possibility. They have won Champion hurdles and will probably win more but the GC is different. Besides plenty of people are against running in the RSA as its believed that it can damage young horses. Cooldine won it and never raised a gallop again and there were plenty of other examples also.
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Surely they avoided the Champion Hurdle and are running in the JLT as they think he's a monster chaser who can win the Gold Cup next year, that in itself is a tip. What other reason would there be to not go for the Champion Hurdle?
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No other reason Angela. If he gets his jumping together he could be a superstar. Heard he was burning up the gallops last week. :)
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Bookies will surely be out to get him in the morning after the week's events to date.
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I'd be happy with a bit of 3's
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Let's hope 3 is available and he wins otherwise Mullins might have to wait till the Mares Novices for his 1st win at the Festival.
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Billies going 2/1 at 8.30 in the morning. Presumably only for max twenty though.
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I would imagine they will stand a bit more than the usual £20, apart from the jumping issues there is also the health/form of the stable.
Was going to make him my banker of the week but after what happened to Douvan i would rather just sit and watch. |
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I would imagine they will stand a bit more than the usual £20, apart from the jumping issues there is also the health/form of the stable.
Was going to make him my banker of the week but after what happened to Douvan i would rather just sit and watch. |
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Is this horse not running in the champion hurdle?
![]() Not a week for shorties lads, they're be a few i'd be giving a wide berth to tomorrow and playing small stakes instead at bigger prices |
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I don't know what to make of the Mullins form.
Can't say they are running badly but would have expected a couple of winners by now. Melon, Limini and VVM from memory have all ran really good races. I couldn't lump on Yorkhill at a short price after the week Willie has had...but then again he could easily win the JLT, Ryanair and Mares Novice tomorrow and be back in with a shout of top trainer. It can all change very quickly. |
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100% agree chief...with all the points you make. It would take a brave man with a big pair of cahones to get stuck into yorkhill tomorrow though
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Saw a little debate on this ok Twitter
Melon, VVM, Limini, Bellshill have all placed, while Bacardys and Arb do Vie were hampered I suppose Bunk of Early and Tin Soldier have disappointed, but more have run their race than not, his lack of firepower this year is just showing up, usually he has a walkover in the mares as Quevega and co never faced anyone like AJ, only had outsiders in the CH as opposed to the favourite(Footpad still 4th) and the supreme has been the willie Mullins novice exhibition but again Melon still came 2nd despite question marks. I'll be using all the offers available on the first race of the day as insurance but not qualms with backing Yorkhill due to the stable form |
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have layed yorkhill ,if he wins so be it but his hurdle form has some holes in it ,yanworth dint do the neptune form a lot of favours ,and i have a few running for me!
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He doesnt look like hes going to stay a gold cup trip
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if top notch jumped the last 2 better then think he wooda won
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lookin at it again yorkhill won fair and square
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Give over would yiz, yorkhill didn't do a tap when he hit the front, plenty left in the tank
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yorkie has a great engine runs well off the pace .. .. great run I thought ..
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Fair and square for me too
If anything Yorkhill was the most aggrieved with the fallers than anyone else |
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Imagine Yorkhill and Might Bite going at it over 3 miles....two talented nutjobs together, great stuff
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Despite having to dodge a few fallers in his way to victory he jumped really well, and would certainly be a formidable opponent to Might Bite and Thistlecrack in the King George - I'd choose Might Bite for the race. But the Gold Cup I do not think so...too quirky, and stamina would be suspect, I believe.
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Well Ruby likened him to Denman, Has that kink, is a presenting and a chestnut were his words and the best all have them kinks!
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