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Yorkhill - Supreme or Neptune?
Yorkhill - Supreme or Neptune?
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If the applied logic above is to be believe. Paddy are 8-1 on Bellshill & 10s on Up For Review in the spud race.
Jesus this is getting stressful |
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No chance bellshill goes AB. It's nrnb now so I wouldn't read anything into that.
Might be saying different this time tomorrow though lol. |
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geoff m 13 Mar 16 09:19 Joined: 23 Feb 03 | Topic/replies: 8,094 | Blogger: geoff m's blog
market manipulation @ its finest Yep, the odd £2-£25 gets matched here and there makes it market manipulation  Might it not be, depending on your pocket, people taking a view either way  Maybe a layer punter(s) being able to at least try to sort out a bad traded market I know i've had a couple of bad ones this year where i've tried to claw it back on yoyo'ing selections, WDW in the triumph has been my selection for that one.No one knows really do they? No one will know till tonight at the very earliest, declaration time for the Neptune at the very latest |
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Yorkhill is only 3 (was 12 or more just a few days ago) and 5 respectively for the Supreme and Neptune; if the presence of Min is a deterrent and Yorkhill ends up in the Neptune, and no two GW horses run in the same race I think probably rather than possibly Bellshill will be the sub for the Supreme considering the latter ran in the race won by Bleu Et Rouge (18f).
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Picture on twitter of ruby on min and paul townend on yorkhill walking round the course, ever that means anything I'm not sure, good that there both there and sound anyway
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Well he can't sit on both at the same time
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Dec
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He could stand on both at the same time......seen it at the circus.
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More chance of him falling off
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Well the clown of the forum has been exposed
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Niall Hannity @Niallhannity 1m1 minute ago
Yorkhill is NOT declared for @SkyBet Supreme @CheltenhamRaces tomorrow. 14 runners. |
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Yorkhill not declared for the Supreme.
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But bellshill is
Looks like ruby going to get his dream line up. Will be no suprise at all, Longdog going albert bartlett now |
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Disappointment for Yorkhill backers, and money down the plug hole on here, but Min backers must be breathing a sigh of relieve a creditable opponent not in the line up. So, there is gravitas with PP after all.
Anyone prepared to trade Bellshill? Still a formidable opponent to others if last run was disregarded. |
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Surprise surprise!!
At least I got three figures for Bellshill the other day,needs to improve massively on last time,but some consolation for Yorkhill I guess. |
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Had a go on Bellshill for this at 50s on the machine when Min drifted the week after Faugheen came out. It was a complete fear based punt as I'm on Min, and was the only thing jumping out at a price based on 2m good ground bumper form. Quietly happy with this news
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ruby has got his way, doesnt run tuesday
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Last year WPM/GW "misplaced" Shaneshill, could it be a double this year eg Yorkhill (Neptune) and Shaneshill (RSA)?
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Bit of a risk, but Wylie is the one who is easiest to manoevre. Hendo won't be displeased.
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Anyone know when boyles went nrnb for supreme
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This thread could now be renamed: Yorkhill - Hurdling or Chasing?
 Even by Willie's standards it is remarkable that it is December next week and we still don't know what a horse of this class will be doing. Has two entries, one in the Hattons Grace and one in the Drinmore. Surely it would be a big ask to pitch him straight into the Drinmore. And if all is not well with Annie Power and Faugheen, he could well go for the HG. If he wins that impressively, what then?! Champion Hurdle horse? |
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It would be Champion Hurdle all day for me.
1. Faugheen has been injured and has a slight setback this year 2. Annie beat a 700+ day off the track MTOY last year by 4.5 lengths; I think Yorkhill would be a much tougher nut to crack than MTOY 3. The Neptune is a cracking Champion Hurdle trial 4. Mullins was talking about stepping Nichols Canyon up in trip next time, leaving Wylie with nothing for the RSA 5. The better novices from last year (Altior and Yanworth) won't be going for this, so it will be roughly the same Champion Hurdle field as last year, so he would be the up and coming unexposed one. Last year's 4 yo have something to prove (Apple's Jade/Ivanovich doesn't look good enough...) 6. If he goes chasing, I can see it being JLT - what would you rather win, a JLT or Champion Hurdle?!? I would be all over the 16's, but with Mullins' record of switching and Paddy being a standout price, you couldn't back with any confidence at all. |
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4. Mullins was talking about stepping Nichols Canyon up in trip next time, leaving Wylie with nothing for the Champion Hurdle
Don't know what made me type RSA! |
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Despite his win in the Neptune and the fact the Champion Hurdle is lacking strength in depth, Yorkhill is bred to be a chaser and I'd hope that is the route they go. You don't get many Presenting progeny running in the Champion Hurdle and all the very best offspring have been out and out chasers including 2 Gold Cup winners and other high profile chase winners. Yorkhill is in that mould and even if he goes to the JLT, it will just be the novice stepping stone to better things the year after.
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Whilst it's very hard to argue with your point about Presenting progeny Jackie, he has produced some crack hurdlers, like Dunguib.
I think Yorkhill shows an unusual amount of speed for a Presenting horse and the way he won the Neptune, I think it would be hard to argue that he couldn't compete in a CH. He was absolutely spring heeled. It's a really tricky decision for sure. Especially when you consider Wylie has Shaneshill, Bellshill, Black Hercules and Nichols Canyon and will presumably want them all keeping apart. |
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Whilst it would be nice to see him in the CH I personally think it's very unlikely providing faughheen and AP remain sound, we know what the stable is like and having both faugheen and AP in it isn't even a given so adding another big gun and putting 3 stars in one race seems a non starter to me.
Walsh was already anticipating the logistical problems as soon as he got off Yorkhill last year with his Arkle Arkle Arkle!!! proclamations. |
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Completely with Wellchief here. Why do people want to waste a really good novice hurdler by sending it chasing? Same problem with Altior this year. Much more prestige in winning a CH than an Arkle or JLT. Yorkhill has bundles of pace and class and is CH material all over. The main problem is Mullins and Walsh being selfish jerks. Doing what's best for themselves and not what's best for the horse or the owner. Walsh is a genius in the saddle but by god he is an arrogant and insufferable pr1ck out of it. Mullins worse, suspect he has been stung by the Vautour incident but that was his own fault given he apparently can't bear to run his horses against each other. His deception is appalling and lack of openness with the press embarrassing. He and Walsh hate punters and seemingly deliberately mislead them so they can have a little chuckle to themselves. Awful human beings and it would be great to see someone really nail them and hold them to account. Instead we get this "no decision made" rubbish, or worse disinformation about their targets. PP in the know all along as above regarding last year's Supreme/Neptune betting - Walsh should be investigated.
Rant over! |
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I put him up as my novice to follow last October
 and he was electric at Cheltenham and the drop to 2m shouldn't be a massive problem, but are people not concerned about his last two runs - was massively below par at Aintree and Punchestown - was amazed they even ran at Punchestown. The fact he still hasn't been out suggests there may still be an issue with him? |
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I think Yorkhill went to the well too often last season. I also think he is ready to run but connections are deliberating over what discipline eg fences or hurdles, and to find an appropriate slot in amongst all Mullins' other runners. The way the welfare of the front two in the Champion Hurdle (CH) are concern especially Annie Power, and the beating of VVM over the weekend Yorkhill could be used as the reserve for the CH, I think.
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Assuming he comes back as good, or even nearly as good, as he was then surely Faugheen is still the stable No.1 for the CH.
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Great post Workforce...couldn't agree more.just posted not quite as forceful an opinion bit imo you are bang on.
Seen your namesake win an Arc by way, top drawer too |
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YORKHILL entered in a beginners chase this weekend!
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In the interest of some balance I think workforce post is 75% bollox. 25% I agree with is the glut of quality horses going novice chasing, Altior, Min, Yorkhill etc....why ? take out annie power and faugheen (getting injured and both now getting on a little) (and i suppose VVM) and there is primarily trash in the champion hurdle league. Any one of my aforementioned and indeed other novices could have the CH at their mercy for a couple of years. if you say 'well its to avoid ricci's horses then that doesnt stack as nothing will beat Douvan over 2 miles. cant disagree more about Mullins.....he leaves everything til last minute, so what ? he's not in it for your benefit he's the best cos he makes the right decisions for the benefit of his owners which often means leaving decisions late based on whose best at what. re nichols canyon why not step up to 3 miles as he wont beat a fit faugheen or AP....however if they do bomb out I bet he'll run it in the CH. Both ricci/wylie/supreme racing club etc ALWAYS report they are firmly happy with mullins modus operandi. If you say Wylie's interview on on the line this week that is patently clear. he also told the story of Mullins/Kirk buying two top dollar horses in the spring/whenever to goto wylie and Ricci. wylie was given first choice and chose his (Vent d'autumne) who then got a slight injury and Ricci got his reject....getabird. thats the way it goes as Mr Wylie rightly stated.
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I'd agree entirely the Champion Hurdle (CH) is wide open if the Mullins' hotpots eg Faugheen and Annie Power are absent (older, injury prone and not progressing), and this (possible) scenario has not gone unnoticed because another owner and trainer ie JP/King have rerouted Yanworth this way.
So, who from the Mullins' juvenile/novice rank to fill this void to retain the CH crown for Mullins? VVM is exposed and may not be good enough and neither is Min; I think the best candidate is undoubtedly Yorkhill, the conqueror of Yanworth especially if Altior is still Arkle bound. As for Nichols Canyon (potential fully exposed over 16f) steeping up in distance he's been withdrawn from the Long Walk this saturday; his performances in the 2015 Neptune and the Doom Bar last season over 20f did not inspire confidence either. |
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Comments understood. as it goes i think altior or min (unexposed) would blow yanworth or yorkhill to bits over 2m. Its a game of opinions !
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PS same goes for the 3 mile division without thistlecrack - i think nichols canyon is no world beater over 3 but probably good enough to win world hurdle.
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Take out Faugheen and Annie Power and it is a shocking Champion Hurdle line up; looking through the list on Oddschecker and I can't think of a poorer Champion Hurdle list recently.
I genuinely think it is there for the taking for Yorkhill. I haven't written Yanworth off by any means, but I wasn't impressed by his last run, and needs to improve a lot imo; or does he against this field?? Last year's 5 year olds looking nothing special, and nothing has come from the Supreme or Neptune as they are mostly going chasing (Yanworth the exception). Nichols Canyon will be stepping up, and while The New One was good a few weeks ago, he surely can't win one now. Arctic Fire coming back from injury at 40's is one at a price at the minute, but so much revolves around the top two; either one of them turn up and they win. |
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Scooted up in the novice chase
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Haven't seen Yorkhill's run yesterday but Beveur D'Air was very impressive at Haydock. He was getting weight from his main rival but beat him convincingly enough on his first ever run, against a decent opponent.
Arkle and JLT are the two races I'm looking forward to most at this stage. |
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The first 3 in the Supreme have all won well over fences and will be running in the Arkle all being well. With Thistlecrack and Cole Harden also going chasing, the hurdling division is looking very thin.
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