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Yorkhill - Supreme or Neptune?
Yorkhill - Supreme or Neptune?
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PP were clearly happy to lay Yorkhill in the Supreme when the money came
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PP, whose Paymaster is that? If this was the City connections could be done for the "Chinese Wall" compliance.
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I think it's really poor, I totally understand the owner pays big money and has no obligation to the punter about where his horse is going, but it's as if they are going out there way to push money in a certain direction. I don't mind losing an ante-post voucher, it's part and parcel of getting involved, but this leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
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Thank goodness for "nrnb": I've laid Yorkhill off completely here and back it on Sportsbook and elsewhere; I could understand if the non-participation was due to the welfare of the runner but not the whims of connections, especially not the pilot.
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And it'll never be questioned by media. Wouldn't want upset them would we
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The media representatives wouldn't esp the present Channel 4 team, for fear of upsetting the applecart ie their source of info could be snuffed out for good.
I've been following National Hunt for some time but it is only just last year that I became more involved, and slowly but surely, is getting to grips with the horse placing shenanigans of their connections especially the Irish ones. |
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looking like being horrible stuff...willie mullins should not be saying what he said about targets imo
i for one got it all wrong but am still to bet in the race but horrible all the same for those that have |
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yep looks like ive done my dough in the supreme, like most of you guys I agree ante post play is a dangerous game and yep we know the risks but this is takin the pXXs, mullins says a week a go yorkhill leaning towards supreme so pp push it out to 14s,yes I foolishly took the bait and backed but defo underhanded goins on here. So in the last 12 hrs it has dramatically drifted on here for the supreme and shortened significantly for the Neptune yet no official news on where it is to run !. So looks like the chosen few are being kept in the loop. Isnt walsh on pps payroll mmm !.
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This is starting to get a bit obvious now to me.
Maybe it wont be long before the media start asking awkward questions. Needs sorting imo. |
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PP were happy laying 2 points above the price on here for days
in any normal race, in that scenario, they slash the price immediately |
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Don't know why journalists should be worried about Mullins not speaking to them if they complain he misled them. He only gives them wrong information anyway.
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People aren't going to like this and I honestly feel for anyone who took the 14s if he does go neptune.
But i actually find it very useful in getting a big price elsewhere, since even from the very start of the season, PP have been a huge guide on targets on the mullins horses. The only time iv seen them get it wrong is straight after a race at the weekend. Then they seem to adjust accordingly on a Monday evening. |
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Scooby I'm not sure that's the point and anyway if 14/1 was with a bookmaker it'll have been NRNB.
If PP are to be seen as accurate guide, then Mullins was blatantly misleading people. That simply is wrong bordering on something worse |
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14s yorkhill supreme was not nrnb
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Who was it with?
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More a case of confirmation bias, imo
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Paddy.
They pushed out bleu et rouge supreme/neptune. Yorkhill supreme. Black hercules and rdf 4 miler. Shaneshill jlt. Black hercules rsa. And more in the last week to 10 days All before nrnb They cut bleu et rouge from 40s to 12s bartlett. Black hercules into 8/1 from 33s jlt. Shaneshill 16s from 50s rsa, all before mullins stable tour. If that's just luck. They have a hell of a trader. |
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Was with Paddies, Roo.
If they would have gone a point or two bigger than the others, I would have backed Yorkhill myself, but because they were a full 6 points bigger AND they push him out AND you know Ruby has a direct line to them, it definitely sent the alarm bells ringing in my head. Unless you back in the "Any Race" market, or have massive exchange odds for the individual races, waiting for NRNB is defintiely the way to go next year. When NRNB first came out, Yorkhill was about 12's for the Supreme and 10's for the Neptune, so at the time, even if you think you've missed the 14's that was available and you might be kicking yourself, you're still sitting pretty in whatever race he goes for compared to the likely SP, with no risk attached |
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One thing I will give pp credit.
When inspired poet died on thw gallops they took him out the market. When karalee got injured they took her out the market, same with fulham road. All of this was atleast 3 weeks before comfirmation. |
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But when did they go 14s? Paddies have been NRNB for a while haven't they? But that isn't the point
In the last week Mullins and Wylie have both said Supreme and the vast majority of the market has reacted accordingly with one noticeable exception. If they are actually in the know, then Mulliins and/or Walsh have questions to answer imo but those won't be asked |
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...but they did tweet a picture of Paul Daniels in his underpants on the day the news broke that he had an incurable brain tumour.
Horrible outfit. |
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The best way to second guess the Mullins team is to ask yourself what Ruby would want to ride if he had the choice. Although many on here seem to think he doesn't have a say, it invariably works out. Walsh made a big commitment to the Mullins operation when he left Nicholls and he gets pretty much what he wants, like it or not. That's why many of the horses are separated, why Faugheen didn't go over fences, why Douvan did go over fences, why Vautour wasn't aimed at the Champion Chase and why there's still the slightest chance that Vautour could yet end up in the Ryanair (very slight)
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There is not any doubt that Ruby is marking PPs card. That is beyond question at this stage. And I don't think Ruby gives the info free of charge!!!!!!! .....Whether Willie is messing punters around is debatable. In all the interviews he does say that such and such looks likely to go for such and such race. I don't think he ever says such and such is a DEFINATE for such and such race. He always seems to leave the door slightly ajar. I will never listen to a word out of his mouth in future about intended targets. It's all b0llox talk. In future if i'm backing one of his antepost i'll just stick to whatever race I think the horse should go for and stuff the consequences. You can see by him sometimes he gets frustrated having been asked about his horses targets. He doesn't enjoy discussing it with the media.
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it's funny the way Paddy like to portray themselves as the "sound" bookie - but this shows their ruthless streak. also, interesting that they took a while to go NRNB - probably to milk opportunities like these. I would've expected them ordinarily to have been NRNB much earlier than they actually did.
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I suppose at the end of the day it's the owners say as to which race a horse goes for, and no harm in keeping your options open
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Id say most owners have virtually no say bloob. You pay a trainer to make those decisions and I don't know many who don't just leave it to them.
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fair point, and it does seem to be all about suiting Mullins and Walsh as much as possible. Walsh would have hated missing out on riding Yorkhill so it ends up in the Neptune
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According to Racing Post Willie still insisting that no decision has been made about his target - oddschecker and betfair would disagree strongly (though he has come in from 20/1 to 12/1 on here after that announcement!!!).
Seems clear to me that if everything is 100% with Min then Yorkhil will go to Neptune, but if they aren't 100% happy with Min he will be switched to Supreme. |
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IF people took a step back then they would realise 14/1 was far too big for him in the Supreme. It was fishier than a seals knickers.
All that glitters is not gold. |
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all is not lost! you can now lay off your 14/1 on here, it seems as though it's not a certainty it's Neptune bound
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Personally i don't think anything sinister is going on. Like i've said before the last thing on the mind of a top trainer this close to one of the biggest meetings in the world of British and Irish national hunt horse racing is punters. I think the logistics of getting a horse fit and well to the racetrack over the period of 6 months is quite frankly remarkable to say the least. They are not machines!!!
My hunch is they are waiting to see how Min travels over, i reckon they haven't been happy with him in recent weeks, (hense why we have seen prices in the region of 3.35 3.4 with little money to back) will probably be on the ferry tomorrow and we will know better tomorrow night. I am also expecting to see Yorkhill get declared for the supreme on Monday morning and depending on what they think of Min will either be declared a non runner for the Supreme when declaration time looms for the Neptune on Tuesday morning or he will take his chance and not be declared for the Neptune. This is a yard that likes to keep all options open right up till the last minute, we all know this, it's not a new thing! As for this PP rumour, isn't it illegal for a jockey to have any dealings with a bookmaker  |
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it was ruby comments on billy hills radio monday afternoon what sparked the supreme gamble, he was riding him, all over sudden a few hours later they had four figure sum then another one, cut him again.
rubys trying to get this horse shifted, nothing else, the supreme is the right race for him to follow min around, but ruby seems to winning the argument at the moment, hopefully my willy or whatever his name will see sense. this horse is better tham min, and the best novice in the yard. |
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Well ive backed yorkhill 10s any race and 16s neptune and have laid him at 5 neptune now and at 8.58 and 14s supreme so im financially sound on the horse. Of course i would prefer neptune but i am happy with either. I've not a bean on Min.
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Sorry got me numbers a bit wrong, laid Yorkhill in neptune at 7.22 average odds and 8.58 in supreme. Just laid him £3 @ 14 cos my hunch is he goes neptune.
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Min travelled over today with the Tuesday horses
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No problems hopefully delsie
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money coming for yorkhill for supreme
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yes i spotted this strong support for Yorkhill in the supreme again today, still don't think its at all clear which way its going, most of this money can't be that well informed. Very interesting back and forth none the less
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market manipulation @ its finest
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Still adamant he should go supreme. No doubt in my mind the best races for the horses are.
Supreme Yorkhill Neptune Bellshill AB up for review I hope that's the way they go. But it's doubtful. Very strange not knowing just 48 hours away. |