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Definitely over 3 miles but for me Vautour is a better horse per se. Vautour may very well stay but for me he'll build his lasting legacy if allowed to run in the Champion Chase in future years.
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Well at the moment all we have for Vautour as a chaser is an impressive JLT performance and a close defeat in the KG.arest of his efforts ain't been that much to write home about imo.
Still plenty of time on his hands as he's a young horse compared to CC,but he's behind him right now. My gut feeling is if he's campaigned going forward at no further than 3 m,he will achieve high ratings,probably higher around 2 and a half m. |
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Not sure 2 m is his thing Duffy,but you may be right mate,of course.
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I take on board the fact that he was probably trained harder for the KG than for novice targets the previous two seasons but I think the left-handed track and better ground he has had at Cheltenham is the reason for his swagger there the last two years.
One other thing that I think is overplayed (not by anyone on here per se, but in a general sense) is the idea that Kempton is an easy track. The three miles there takes plenty of getting when top-class horses run at a good pace in testing ground, so while the Gold Cup is obviously more of a stamina test, I don't think it 'runs' further than the extra two and a half furlongs of the GC. Another key thing that I think is often missed is that the downhill run before the straight at Cheltenham allows horses to get air into their lungs, particularly if they are strong travellers, whereas that isn't an option at Kempton. All of that is a positive for CC and Vautour fans... |
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Indeed tom, I fully expect the King George form to stand scrutiny after Cheltenham. It has generally been the key trial, people may have forgot this due to Silvio Conti not acting round Chelt for whatever reason (Although the strange run in to LW's win leaves a few ? marks). We know that this won't be a problem for Vautour or Cue Card.
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14-1 still available. Now third fav on exchange, getting closer all the time to DC's current place at head of market. Smad and Conti have advertised King George form. Cue Card's work partner won by half the track today. Cue Card is probably the most popular horse in Britain. It is also possible that the Irish betting will be split several ways. What is not to like??
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With the current field Cue Card (CC) will never start 'fav' for the 2016 GC and even at 50/1 the price is still to small for it to start 'fav' in my opinion.
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Current field ? im confused, the only reason he wont start favourite is that he is not trained by the 'supposed' elite.
2 points from being fav at the moment. |
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Colin Tizzard ,is, however fast becoming the current elite. On the day, Cue Card could easily become the popular plunge horse. It is also worth bearing in mind that when Tizzard horses are fancied they are truly walloped. 14-1 could be the bet of the year. Impossible? Give me some 50-1 !!
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If the Tizzard string keep going like they are then I can envisage this happening.
He isn't exactly coy either, already stating as it stands nothing will get near Thistlecrack, and repeated good reports on Cue Card. Destiny awaits! :) |
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call it a day
Not licensed to make a book one however we could make a charity of your/my choice as the beneficiary should you/I win, ok? |
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Impossible....I would donate minor body parts to ensure Cue Card wins the Gold Cup. On a more serious level, at current Laddies prices, only a point difference between Cue Card and favouritism. It would only take a little market readjustment to edge Cue Card to a share of favouritism...well worth taking a chance at 14-1 that it will occur.
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callitaday
£50 to a charity of your choice - you nominate after the event - if CC starts fav at the off, if not, you can donate £1 to a local charity on my behalf at your end - I trust you to do that. |
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That sounds excellent. I will make it a tenner to represent more realistic odds.
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Agree, I'd donate £50 to a charity of your choice and you, a £10 to a local one in your area.
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CC now shorter than Vatour on the Exchange; only DC stands in way of favouritism. Best 12-1 shot of the year.
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WPM has been "entertaining" the media folks today: if WPM reroutes Vautour to the Ryanair you'll win the wager, I'm almost certain.
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Who is this bet with?
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Only with 'callitaday' - just a bit of fun...for charity.
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Presumably the OP backed it with a bookie though?
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BF Sportsbook mate. Cue Card now 10/1 to be SP fav.
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Cheers mate, had a little interest at 10/1. If Vautour doesnt run, I think it could only be DC or CC...
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Love how they cut the 10s and don't drift anything else, 120% market
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What is happening here?? Cue Card is second fav on the exchange and yet it is still 10-1 outsider of five on the sportsbook to be favourite for the race. I cannot understand the price. Surely it should be about a 4-1 shot? I am missing something?
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Surely the layers are factoring in the "Irish money"
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I think it's a definite Rick call it a day.
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I think it's a definite Rick call it a day.
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It looks crazy to me. I have had two pokes at 14s, don't want to curse the bet through greed. Irish money will go in four directions.....
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Or maybe 3?
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even at 10's it's still massive isn't it?
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Yep!
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Irish money will go 4 directions with the majority on Vatour and The Don.
English money will go in 5 directions with the majority on on Vautour and the Don. |
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Jasey, I cannot agree. Vatour probably will not turn up. Million money will hype Cue Card. It will be a straight fight between DC and CC, reflecting current exchange prices. At 10-1 it is a steal. And the extra bonus will be when class horse in race wins as well.
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I agree. Can't understand why still 10's. Great call. Took a bit at 14's and 12's since Sunday having seen it was still that price and read this thread when you started it. Certainly will give backers even more excitement in the build up to the race.
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A bugger it, chucked a few quid on at 10s. Am already loaded up on him to win it.
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Well good luck gentlemen. With both bets!!
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What price do you foresee Cue Card being if he is fav?
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I've took the 10's too. Is this an unofficial mini forum plunge?
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Could be wc, had a few quid myself for a bit of fun.
But if Irish have a good few days and most of their bankers come in, they will go large. Will it be enough to outweigh CC sentimentality? Going to be fun to watch, as well as the race |
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I've joined in at 10's.
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