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No bets on Faugheen other than silly little £2 accas. Really knocks you back when you hear news like this.
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I'd probably be against her in the Champion Hurdle if she ran though.
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I hate this supplementary option. You look at what's entered, and take your chance and potentially get stuffed by a horse not even entered. The cost is not an issue to guys like Ricci and this makes it an even less level playing field than it already was.
It is ironic though that Willie hasn't entered Annie Power when he enters everything in all races. |
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Why did they leave Faugheen in the race this morning?
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Was thinking of Hargam at 40/1 at minimun stake. That went after faugheen news. Took 25/1 though. Just for an interest.
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Nigel Twiston-Davies is "sad" Faugheen has been ruled out of the Stan James Champion Hurdle with injury - but admits the title holder's absence in the Cheltenham showpiece does help the cause of his runner, The New One.
The Naunton trainer was looking forward to having another crack at Willie Mullins' brilliant performer with his stable star, who was an unlucky third in the blue riband to Jezki in 2014. The New One was twice been beaten by Faugheen. Fifth in the Champion last year, he was seven lengths adrift in second place behind the Irish raider in the Christmas Hurdle at Kempton on Boxing Day, before winning at Haydock last month in his last public appearance before next month's Festival. "It's bad for them and I'm sad he's not in the race as we hoped we'd serve it up to him," said Twiston-Davies. "We weren't frightened of having a go, but it makes our life a bit easier." Twiston-Davies reports The New One to be in rude health with the big race now just under four weeks away. "Everything's going superbly," said the Naunton handler. "I've never had him better. We've got to keep touching wood because obviously things can go wrong, as we've seen with Faugheen." |
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We weren't frightened of having a go, but it makes our life a bit easier."
Don't worry Nigel, your job will still be plenty hard enough trying to get this thing past the post first in a CH, Faugheen or not ![]() |
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Memory of the Festival - The New One - wins the Champion - and Nige throws his jacket into the air - after 33 glorious years of wear.
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Nige is a big lad, even so would take some effort to hurl that duffel coat in the air
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^^^ An army of 30 DEC :)
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I reckon if they ran the race clockwise TNO might win. I do agree he does re-enter the equation now though but he wont carry any of my money anyway.
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I backed TNO antepost earlier in the season but got burnt on the day last year as I thought "impossible not to place"..... Still can see Silly Twiston Davies getting him beat though without Faugheen
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Silly Twiston Davies would only work as a joke if he was ridden by his brother and not sam
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Wouldn't be shocked if The New One came storming up the hill this year, but I won't be on him. Sometimes the most unfancied ones turn up and shut everyone up, like Jezki did 2 years ago. I really fancied The New One in 2014, but every time he's ran since the 2014 CH which is 9 times in total, he's been awfully poor to be honest.
Completely undecided on Annie Power. Whilst I'm far from impressed by her prep for a race like this (can't be helped I know), I think she's still unexposed, at this trip anyway. She's never really had the chance to show us what she can do over 2 miles yet, and she does look fairly pacy to my eye. People writing her off already I think are mad, but at the same time I wouldn't be getting too carried away with her chances. One bonus is she's pretty versatile ground wise and we know she gets a lot further so she's quite likely to stay on up the hill. The two key question marks for me are, is she fast enough and is she in good enough condition. |
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fOR A HORSE THAT HAS WON 16/23 (ISH) The New One takes some clobber.
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Look at what he's won since the 2014 Champion Hurdle though. He's won 7 out of 9 which looks on the face of it impressive, but when you look at the form, other than a past his best Rock On Ruby that he beat a head at Aintree, he has literally beaten sweet nothing.
If fighting to beat Rayvin Black, Stephanie Francs, Bertimont, Vaniteux (poor hurdler), Zamdy Man and Hint of Mint is your bag, then knock yourself out, but it's not mine. His form prior 2014 CH was incredibly impressive, but a lot of water has passed under the bridge since then. |
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TNO keeps winning though. No match for Faugheen obviously, but then who is when he's right. Got a lot closer than those in Ireland.
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I hope Top Notch takes his chance,not a million miles away from Identity Thief and should still be improving.
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This race has certainly livened up now as a betting proposition.
Especially when the head of the market has 2 horses that were being seriously considered for the stayers hurdle earlier this season. |
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^ Grrr!
What I was trying to say is that there's every chance STD will try and get TNO beat as Nicholls will probably make him ride Old Guard like he did at Christmas! |
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Be interesting to see how Top Notch goes if it comes up good to soft or better as he's only ever raced on it once. A similar thing can be said for Identity Thief.
I'm starting to like Hargam myself, I wasn't particularly struck on him until Kempton but he got very close to The New One that day and is another who could improve plenty. I thought his performance on Boxing Day was a step up from the International run. Another one who has started to improve in his recent runs is Sempre Medici, his last two have been in heavy Irish ground but if you take Hargam seriously you have to respect Sempre Medici too. I can see a shock being sprung this year, although having said that it's a no bet race for me at the moment even with NRNB, as I think we all want to see how well My Tent Or Yours does on the weekend. If he looks to have retained even 90% of his ability he will be a serious player and would probably be vying for favouritism with Annie Power. Conditions are also now pivotal as so many of these horses look closely matched. Wait for the day as you'll get a fair price. |
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I am absolutely stumped by this race now. Everything is either the right price or a bad price. Value in Hargam 25/1, Sempre Medici 33/1 maybe Peace & Co 20/1
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Everyone is looking for something to latch onto, I think that the tent will provide this on Saturday, he's a "sexy" horse when on his game and can see an impressive performance and momentum gathering behind him on the back of it.
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MTOY is not running at Wincanton due to the testing conditions.
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Doubt we'll see MTOY line up at all, history tells us they never come back quite as good either.
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The value has to be Top Notch in my eyes. Less than a length defeat by Identity Thief only 7 days after a hard race against Iriving - IF is 6/1 and TN is 25/1 - no brainer.
I backed Hargam ages ago (about 9 months ago - it was me who had him added to the market back in April 15), and I've been trying to lay the bet off at 40's for ages, and with Faugheen out, it might give me a chance to get my stake back. If anyone wants 40's on him, you can buy my bet. Hargam hasn't quite progressed as much as I'd like him too. I know he hasn't had his ground this year, and it was a decent run in the Christmas Hurdle, but he still has 4 lengths to make up with Top Notch in the Triumph, and not many Champion Hurdle winners have form figures of 36-433. Also backed Peace and Co, and thought I had no chance of getting rid of that bet either. Backed at 14's and can lay off at 22 on here, but I'll wait a bit and hope his price contracts a bit more, but either way, I'll be getting rid of that one too. Of the short ones in the market, I'd probably choose Nichols Canyon. Improved at a fast rate last year, and I think he would have comfortably beaten Arctic Fire last time out, but they decided to take on Faugheen for the race win, whereas Arctic Fire mopped up second place, when he never even got in the race to begin with. I'd certainly have Nichols Canyon shorter than Arctic Fire in the betting anyway. Already backed MTOY (want to keep) and Hargam and Peace & Co (want to get rid), so if I manage to lay them off, I'll go in on Top Notch NRNB, but not backing 4, so I'll have to wait a bit first. |
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arctic fire is the one hard to make out.last run v cumbersome . but in my opinion with a more positive ride in last years ch hurd(2nd btn 1 1/2 l)he would have btn faugheen.hes a spring horse.likes the hill and if the ground is good to soft(usually is) he must go close...i like tno but its hard see him actually winning it...ntd is giving v positive vibes tho...peace and co looks a head case.i think nicolls wants further.mtoy? will it run? hardly the horse it was..?annie might run but will she have the tactical speed or be good enough? so im leaning to artic fire at mo..
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Yeah Kavvie, you can make a case for and against a lot of them now, as there is no standout.
My worry with Arctic Fire is I've alway thought Nicholls looked more of a stayer than AF ever has, but they've tried him over 2.5m three time since his second in the Champion and once over 3m. Just reading between the lines, I think that means they think he is not good enough to win a Champion Hurdle, but that might be me reading too much into it. If my book was wiped clean and could start afresh, I'd back Top Notch at 25's, but I'd be most worried about Nichols Canyon at the prices. |
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I think Arctic Fire is massively under-rated and that he is the likeliest winner now. The one at a price that I like is Camping Ground - the weight-carrying performance at Sandown last spring (when five) was an exceptional effort. Not sure that he has the basic speed for a Champion but the ability is definitely there and he's completely unexposed.
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Yeah, I don't think Arctic Fire necessarily get the credit he deserves (would have hacked up in the Aintree Hurdle), but if there is no Annie, he is likely to go off fav, and based on this year's runs I think he might be a bit of a false favourite, although I completely get he is better on better ground, and was a good second last year.
He only beat Monksland first time out because Monksland clouted the last, then he has 20lbs in hand when he won the Hattons Grace, and I'll forgive him his attempt at 3m. Don't want to sound like I'm knocking him, but I think there is very little between him, Nichols, Identity Thief (and therefore Top Notch), so I'd choose the ones at the bigger prices. Could be a year, where something completely out the blue wins though - Punjabi, Rock on Ruby etc. |
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Am I being unfair in thinking Arctic Fire is another Theatreworld. He's only actually ever won 2 Novice hurdles at 2m?
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Before my time mate, so no comment sorry!
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Theatreworld ran 2nd 3 years running in the Churdle. Never looked like winning but went past the horses who tried. I get the Top Notch idea and to me he looks the best of last years Triumph runners but that Triumph now looks like it was an awful year which in turn makes me doubt Identity Thief.
Wide Wide open. |
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I certainly get why people question Arctic Fire given his wins-to-runs ratio. I may be completely wrong but I have a feeling he has just been genuinely unlucky to have bumped into so many horses that might one day be described as all-time greats. Fair to say that if he can't win this year's race he's unlikely to ever win one.
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I was at kelso yesterday and daryl jacob said peace and go op had worked well and he's working well again and has a great chance in a wide open champ hurdle . |
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Cheers mate. It'll be interesting to see if he chooses Peace and Co or Top Notch.
I reckon he'd choose P&C, but I know which one I'd choose. |
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Great to see Top Notch back with a chance,backed him before start of season.Had thought I would probably not even get a run till recently. Now I really think he is a big player, and I am quiet excited to be honest.
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Shame MTOY cannot run tmrw cos of the ground.
Hopefully he can get a run somewhere, he will need one I would think. Kempton AW bumper perhaps? |