Fair enough WC, my point was a general one regarding offering 'without' markets on horses that are odds against - I used Min as an example. The fact that you only got two points less illustrates the point that Min is far more likely to get beat than to win the race. The Supremes recent history, last couple of year notwithstanding, is littered with horses that started as hot favourites and came up short, often unplaced.
Anyway, as a default position my view is, when bookies off these type of bets, it's not out of the goodness of their hearts.
Well done on the 20s by the way, a nice ticket as I'm sure he will turn up and should certainly be thereabouts.

Yep, the bookies will be happy to lay accas with him in them all day long I should think. Because of the last two years WPM & RR success in the race and the perceived certainty of Douvan, Faugheen and AP winning their races - this lad seems to be getting afforded the same status and is getting chucked in these accas willy-nilly it seems. Whilst he might be the most likely winner of the race, although even Ruby acknowledged that he is yet to do anything that some of the others have done, he is a long way from having the supremacy over his rivals that the others can boast with some conviction.

not quite word for word in RP but Gist the same - still in there fighting hes in good form but hed go straight there if anything

Agree with you there, Paterson.

Seems silly to throw his novice status away, chucking him straight into a race like that.

I heard that his setback was actually a serious injury, which would make sense, given that Pipe has been even more vague than usual.

Connections wouldn't rush a talented horse like this unless they were 100% sure he'd be up to the task. He had 5 months off before his Bumper win so clearly doesn't need much racing to be ready. Also i'm sure they wouldn't mind losing his novice tag by winning the Supreme.

Would be great if he ran.

FFS, didn't read your post Mal. That's becoming a habit, I'm far too keen to to get my opinion across, love the sound of my own voice!
Apologies.

Moon Racer 18/1 (Without Min) seems interwsting. Small stakes e/w just in case, I will kick myself if he turns up unbacked.

Townsend wasn't given a mark for Saturday at Cheltenham, so it's possible they are looking to run again to achieve a mark? So maybe Cheltenham handicaps on the agenda?

I haven't a clue but I think they obviously entered for the handicap on Saturday to have look at his mark but he wasn't given one.

They entered in a handicap on Saturday but the horse wasn't given a mark which obviously means because it's above a certain class the handicapper will not give him a mark due to him only running twice.

So gut then a question please, if they had entered Townshend for the Betfair Hurdle if they asked the handicapper for a mark for the race he would give them one?

Sometimes they will give you a mark but that wouldn't help for getting into certain races as each has different qualifying criteria.

Actually you was saying originally they'd entered to see what mark he had which they'd know if he had been given one as it would be visible on their wetherbys account & if they was entering to see what the handicapper would do then that was daft as they'd know as well as anyone if you call and request a mark they'll discuss it with you, Whether they agree to one is another matter but that's how it's done not by entering to force his hand.

Yep impossible dont look too good,may have to have saver on Yorkhill who seems to be under radar a little lately.

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Yorkhill is down to run against Bellshill in the Deloitte at the weekend - it has also drifted from 9 to 11.5

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Is that a fact? The Neptune is a stronger race with a proven 'fav', and Bellshill - the horse is 30 on the exchange.

and its interesting that on rpr's wait for me has not improved since its debut and BD got a higher rpr against wfm than at huntingdon - so seems as both rp and BHA are trusting that form albeit have different opinion as to the value of it - also i dont recall very often seeing a horse with a significantly higher OR than RPR - i often see it the other way round however. Personally i wouldnt be rushing to back wfm off 139 in a handicap

oops sorry wc .im sure he's a shoe in off 139 

Turning for home, I thought he might get well beaten, but plugged on well.  Very hard to show a turn of foot on that ground.

I'm not more or less confident in the Supreme to be honest after that.

Backed up my view that Long Dog is a very underrated horse.

Bleu Et Rouge must be in contention for this. Hard to see him taking on Yanworth in the Neptune.