Cheltenham Festival
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ok,im not saying what will win it I just want to express a point on interest.
Faugheen is well known for fiddling his hurdles.
the new one jumps to the right at his hurdles
and jetski is well known for getting into the bottom of a hurdle.
yet they are first ,second,and third,favorites.
Any jockey will tell you that to win a champion hurdle(because of the fast pace)
you can not afford to make any kind of mistake and that hurdling is paramount to
success.horse racing is a funny game.
Faugheen is well known for fiddling his hurdles.
the new one jumps to the right at his hurdles
and jetski is well known for getting into the bottom of a hurdle.
yet they are first ,second,and third,favorites.
Any jockey will tell you that to win a champion hurdle(because of the fast pace)
you can not afford to make any kind of mistake and that hurdling is paramount to
success.horse racing is a funny game.
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You are right to point out that hurdling ability is a key asset in the Champion Hurdle but it is also possible that the gulf in ability between the 3 horses he mentions and the rest (apart from perhaps Hurricane Fly who can jump) could allow them to make a couple of mistakes each and still fill the first 3 places.
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Hi sageform.That is a very good point,but because of the pace,one mistake can see a horse lose 3 to 4 lengths.As you say apart from hurricane there is not much else that we can back but many a race can throw up an outsider that is not expected to win.perhaps it is a race to lay instead of backing.
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What's your point? You seem to be inferring that none of the three can win it. In that case lay all three. I'd be amazed if the winner came from outside of these three unless the rain comes down for the fly. Rest aren't good enough.
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It's hardly a classic looking Champion Hurdle at this stage is it? A veteran that surely can't be good enough against a defending champion people don't rate, a nearly horse that isn't a great hurdler and a hype horse that's beat nothing.
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bit hardh
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harsh
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if you lay all three,you still have the fly on your side,and at current prices a guy is not going too lose much if one of the three happens to jump well and win.remember Annie is still entered,and arctic fire is not without a chance.so my guess is that there is a case for laying rather than steam in on one of the big three.
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And remember is Annie is a non runner Ruby will have to make a decision on what horse he will ride.
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Now down to 8 runners so there goes the Annie Power theory.
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trigger,dont get daft,you either know about horse racing or you don't,but to dismiss Annie power goes a long way to answering my question to the readers on facebook and this forum.
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Im not with you, whats the question? What bearing will Annie Power have on the CH hurdle when she won't run in it.
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that's enough,Annie can run in any ground.you just shot yourself in the head.can not see how you are on a racing forum.
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I presumed you meant the decision was between the fly and Faugheen. Annie Power doesn't even enter the equation. Are you on the wind up?
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I must tell Willie,trigger of the betfair forum says that the greatest hurdler in the world over 2miles 2 furlongs,is not running.feck me you should read your own posts.
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Your either drunk or deluded.
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Ruby has already said (and its on record)if Annie runs in the CH he will be in the saddle.
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Well she won't and he won't.
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Willie on the tv now,he says only one in four favs wins at Cheltenham.
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it does not matter what race Annie power runs in,she will win,and Willie knows this.
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If its the mares then its not rocket science to predict that she will win it but she won't be in the champion hurdle and never was likely to be.
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Hahahahahaha
 You lot just made me take a 2nd look at the entries, no Annie Power I repeat NO ANNIE POWER Also, take a look at the last 10 winners, all odds of between 5-10/1! In fact this race often throws up the odd slight surprise! 2014 9/1 2013 13/8F 2012 11/1 2011 11/4F 2010 9/1 2009 22/1 2008 10/1 2007 16/1 2006 7/4 2005 7/2JF 2004 33/1 In most of the above years there was a hottie that could not possibly get beat! Every one had a idea that the winner was going to be, and 99% of them were from the front 3 in the betting. Am no stats man and i am certainly not saying this years winner will be anything like 10-20/1 but just looking at previous winners and the nature of this race right off Arctic Fire/Kitten Rock/Vaniteux/Bertimont at your peril |
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Brass Necks theory didn't last long then, egg on his face with his Annie Power champion hurdle theory. He had himself convinced.
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Can you really see any of Arctic Fire, Kitten Rock, Vaniteux or Bertimont being crowned the champion hurdler? I can see one of them running into a place (probably Arctic Fire) since they may well be run to achieve that single aim as opposed to winning the race but nothing they have achieved makes me think they are good enough to actually win it.
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I can't buy in to the concept that this is a vintage CH. I will probably back The New One if anything but it is not on the top ten list of races I am looking forward to next week.
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Annie POWER WAS BOUGHT AS A CHASER,SHE WON 11 OF HER 12 RACES,I HAVE ALWAYS SAID THAT WILLIE WILL NOT LET ANNIE RUN AGAINST HURRICANE FLY AND WE ALL KNOW THE REASONS WHY.
she can only win in the races she runs in.common sense will tell you that.Ruby has gone on record and admitted that her only defeat was his fault. the people on this forum should take a good look at themselves in the mirror and ask themselves why do I hate Annie Power the horse so much. it is a thundering disgrace the way the betfair forumites attack this horse.it is not fair. kindly leave Annie power alone and blame the people connected to her if you like ,but please the horse race to her ability. |
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I can't see KR Van or Bert winning, think they winning would be a shock but Arctic Fire i certainly can in fact he reminds me so much of Sublimity, winner in 2007. What if in his last couple runs the info to jockey was to just finish as close to fly as was possible without disturbing HF's chance at the record
 If you watch them races back am pretty sure he wasn't asked till just slightly after HF and Jez went to try and win and he was never getting no closer was he? At Cheltenham, a course which doesn't suit HF nearly as much as it might AF he will certainly be ridden to win in this and mullins has mooted a few times this winter to not discount him. |
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Annie Power wouldn't be the first horse that Mullins didn't allow run against the fly. UDS, Faugheen and AP have all been steered away from the fly to allow him hoover up plenty of grade 1's in the last 2 seasons. If Mullins was confident in Arctic Fire's ability to win a champion hurdle I think he would have also kept him apart from the fly this winter for fear of him beating him. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him placed (in fact I fancy him to run into a place if that is his target) but it would be a stretch to think that he could beat all of the top 3.
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Trigger, The Fly has never been allowed to hoover up grade 1's. The best 2m hurdles run anywhere for the last few years are the races he has contested. The Champion hurdle is only run once a year.The grade 1's that he contests every year are the closest to it in quality
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Another obsessed fanboys dreams bite the dust.
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yes that's why Faugheen comes without a prep run which could've easily been in the Irish CH, and that's why UDS was sent to France last season and Annie over the WRONG trip... you see Mullins thought that by keeping the horse apart will enhance Fly reputation but in fact by not running his best horses against each other he has dented Fly's reputation who might've won those races even against the new talents but by keeping them apart was obvious he didn't thought he could beat either of them ..
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Timtin, more likely it was obvious he thought they wouldn't beat the fly. Trigger, if Annie Power couldnt beat More Of That over a trip she stays well I very much doubt she'd beat the fly over 2.Same goes for Quevega. UDS was a novice in all but name last year due to one novice hurdle win in 2013. The only graded race he ran in before france was a very weak red mills hurdle. The horse is talented but a head case and WPM took him along slowly with his future in mind. I think WPM's track record shows that he knows a little about how to train and place racehorses. As for Faugheen, we will see on Tuesday how good he really is. Why wouldn't wpm love the fly. He knows he'll never have another one like him.
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@firstimevisor How do we know that Annie Power wouldn't have beaten the fly over 2 miles, getting beat by More of That over an extra mile is not proof. Her optimum trip is probably 2 1/2mile so you would think that a stiff 3 mile around Cheltenham is less suitable than a stiff 2 mile round the same track. It's all guesswork as to who would have beaten who but the disappointment is that if he was the horse that Mullins always proclaimed him to be that he didn't allow him the chance to prove it by swerving other horses, particularly over the last 2 campaigns. Very good horse but he could easily have another one like him if he campaigns him in the same way (avoiding his main rivals).
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ok,im not saying what will win it I just want to express a point on interest.
Faugheen is well known for fiddling his hurdles. the new one jumps to the right at his hurdles and jetski is well known for getting into the bottom of a hurdle. yet they are first ,second,and third,favorites. what if you were going to back something else anyway...do we double our stakes? |
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Trigger, ffs the fly has nothing left to prove. I'd argue he's the best in the last 30 years.He's won 22 grade 1s The point is he has never swerved any horse. Others may swerve him. If you are going to be critical then start with The New one or Faugheen... who have they taken on? The best 8 2m hurdle races run in the last 2 campaigns have been the 8 that he ran in.That is fact. As for AP's champion hurdle credentials, we'll agree to disagree on that.
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I think the best 2 miler that TNO has beat to win a race remains ROR....Faugheen has yet to beat one.
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Duffy if you want to lose twice as much by all means double up. I do believe though that Arctic Fire has a great chance and could surprise. I could also see one of TNO or Jezki missing out on a place.
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