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Vautour Win Any Race 6/1 with Hills
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So is Valseur Lido Tory and I wouldn't be surprised to see him contest it though the JLT is surely his Cheltenham target? Don Poli has been strong in the RSA market this past few days. Willie has a real dilemma here with Vautour. He either takes on UDS or VL at Cheltenham - neither prospect will appeal to him - but the Irish Arkle might just help him sort it out.
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Mullins had more than 1 runner in the JLT last year,no reason why he wont do the same this year.
Valseur Lido I think could well run in the race,and judging by the way he finishes his races off at 2 and half,it looks like he could step up to 3m ok,so probably could run in RSA also. Vautour is different owner anyway, so should not be a problem with him doubling him up in whatever race they choose. Could depend on which horses they think have the best chances of winning their respective races? UDS looks to me to have the easier task of winning the Arkle than VL would in the JLT,as that race looks to me like it will be a fair bit more competitive,so on that basis they might well double up in the JLT. Anyway 2nd guessing Mullins aint easy!!! |
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UDS will only go Arkle but running Vautour as well in the Irish Arkle to see where the land lies makes sense to me.
However, it doesn't cover off the Ruby issue. Without Vautour in the JLT there's no obvious ride for Ruby, which I do think will play a part in the plans. They could look at the likes of Vroum Vroum Mag or Adrian Des Mottes for Ruby in the JLT I suppose. Either way, if Vautour runs in and wins the Irish Arkle then he'd have to be Arkle bound at Chelt you'd assume. |
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The problem they've got with Vautour and UDS, which Vautour has already fallen foul of with Faugheen IMO, because he's missed out on a seasons campaign toward the CH because Faugheen is in the way and Vautour is able to go chasing, is that with UDS they've only got one race to go for chasing wise and that's the Arkle, they couldn't possibly consider running him over further with the way he goes about things, so even though Vautour should be running in the Arkle, he may once again find himself being shunted sideways because of his versatility....at this rate they'll have to re-name him James Milner.
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Weak in both the Arkle and JLT markets......wonder if something's up?
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Queen mother suspended,maybe entries close
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And has shortened in the QMCC market... PP notice lay shorter than everyone else. Hmmmmmm
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* noticeably
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7/2 from 6 win any race market
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Not entered in queen mother,surely arkle bound !
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Anyone who thought Vautour was going to run in the Queen Mother Champion Chase please put their hands up....that was a 999/1 chance. Even when Walsh said novices are novices there were people still saying Vautour should run in this cos Un De Sceaux was going (and going to get beat) in the Arkle.
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When does Un De Sceaux next run? Hopefully against Grade 1 animals so it gets found out and sense prevails.
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No no no collector,we dont want to see him again so we can lay lay lay until March for a jolly up
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What I meant collector was that surely the horse stays over 2 miles,the qm was the only other race was over 2,won't want a slog over 2 and a half,New course takes some getting,surely runs in the arkle !
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Well that's true as well right enough....biggest talking horse on here..."superstar" etc.......makes me
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cufcno...should definitely run in the Arkle. No brainer. Wasn't himself over Christmas and next time they meet he'll blow Clarcam n co away. Un De Sceaux should just go **** off to a 4 runner novice round Bangor on heavy ground and win by 80 lengths and keep the masses hopes up
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I hope un de sceaux runs in the arkle,so Vautour can blow it away,what a price it will be,even around 3-1 will be the best price ever for a horse !
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Comical suff |
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Stuff even!!
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Vautour in the JLT seems to be hard to accept for some!!
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I be amazed if its not uds arkle vautour jlt cf qmcc tbh Imo!
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Not sure re Cfever,but think you are right about UDS and Vautour mate
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Cf has the speed and accuracy for the qmcc, Imo wpm ran him in the kg to find out what he got and his class got him to where he finished. I haven't backed him for anything but I may have just talked myself into a little nrnb bet lol.
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Well he would almost definitely be in the QM if the Ryanair weren't around,but that race gives them a choice.
Hope hes in the QM,and I hope Vautour is in the Arkle,but I aint sure at all that they will be. |
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The Irish Arkle will tell us a lot more. I doubt very much that both UDS and Vautour will run. The biggest problem for WPM with the JLT is Valseur Lido. I'm not at all convinced that Vautour will beat him at the extended trip and believe Vautour will have a better chance taking on UDS over 2 miles.
O'Leary won't be taking Don Poli on with Valseur Lido in the RSA. If they think DP might be a Gold Cup horse in 2016, is he really going to contest a 4 mile slog for amateur riders? They'd be fookin mad. |
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Forgot about valseur lido lol, and ive fooken backed him for jlt pmsl. And don poli for rsa
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Festivalfanatic I couldn't have put it better myself !
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What I would like is for Vautour to run in and win the Irish Arkle,and UDS to run in and win another easy race by a street, and then both meet in the Arkle at Cheltenham.
Reckon this forum will go into meltdown leading up to the race!!! Seriously though,Vautour will have to be put up against either UDS or VLido,unless of course VL goes RSA,then Gigginstown would have to decide about DPoli taking him on or going 4 miles. Great fun aint it??!!! |
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Utterly spiffing Budd yeah lol
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FF spot on IMO. Hard to justify putting Vautour up in trip for the first time at Chelts for the JLT, unless it's because the race is easier to win, and with VL, that doesn't seem to be the case.
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Personally I think either uds or vautour runs Irish whichever one doesn't runs in an egg n spoon race somewhere then onto Cheltenham but whichever runs in Irish equivalent will wait for punchestown maybe.
Could be that at Cheltenham though a kind of face off between O'Leary and rich Ricci in the jlt. Though gigginstown aren't afraid to run more than 2 in the same race, the opposite can be said about Ricci, though again how much of that is Ruby Walsh and how much is the horses that have been at their disposal. Can't ever remember of another season in the past where one trainer and owner has had such a great headache as this! Easier with hindsight last two or three years cos Ruby cant right two at once! |
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There hasn't been a great deal of support or confidence in vl in the jlt recently which has been worrying me for a week or two too. Hence my post above. Though still a massive price in rsa so my bet should be good
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utterly spiffing
I would agree Catch. Maybe Vautour will have a race over further in the build up.Maybe VL will be in the RSA.Maybe DP will go 4 miles. Maybe Vautour will be in the Arkle with UDS. Maybe, maybe ,maybe,maybe. |
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Imagine if we knew exactly who was running in what. Wouldn't be half as much fun
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Only reason that Vautour would run in the JLT is too accommodate UDS who is a one trick pony, this way would give them a chance of two pots.
If however they use a bit of brain and run the horses on merit where they should be then Vautour is nailed on to run in the Arkle where he would be joined by UDS or they choose to miss the festival with that one. In short, Vautour should be in the Arkle and nothing else.....well, apart from the CH, but that's another story. |
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No way is UDS missing the festival,that's the clearest message we've had from them re all their plans. I agree Vautour should be in the Arkle mate,and by the sound of it we both think the C hurdle could have been his race.
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Yes definitely, and because of the fact that he's already been compromised to make way for Faugheen, it would be a crying shame if he had to be so again to accommodate UDS
If someone had told me .....after watching this horse take lengths out of his field and storming up the cheltenham hill in the supreme, then listen to mullins almost fall down laughing at the slightest mention that Faugheen was even remotely comparable......that he'd be headed for the JLT, I'd have needed resuscitating. |
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It's a crying shame that any horse should be sacrificed and not run in the race he should be in,but that I'm afraid is where we are with one stable having so many and that stable not wanting to run their horses against each other. We had it last year,will have it this year,and no doubt the future years.
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Was laughing at duffy's post btw!
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