Vautour Win Any Race 6/1 with Hills

never went a yard for me at any point today...why anybody now see him as a bet after that should be careful imo until they at least know the well being of the horse...kalkir was also disappointing, smells to me but hey ho we shouldn't speculate

Surely WPM's record with chasers at Cheltenham/UK puts you off..6% strike rate!!

Don't want to bash Townend unnecessarily, and the horse clearly wasn't himself today but he didn't seem to get a decent jump out of him all the way round.

Especially when it's virtually the same price as his general for each of the Arkle and JLT.

Just placed a large bet at those odds. Only worry is an injury, if he's done himself today or not.

Never runs over 2 miles again. Lesson learned.

Yeh, and I don't think it was the pace of the race that beat it today somehow....he smashed up clarcam hard on the bridle last time out.

As Howdi says...you do read some amount of b0llocks on here.....

Gobsmacked noone mentions the training of the horse. How many times have you seen Mullins send a novice chaser into a Grade 1 chase with 1 run and they end up falling? Guy never learns. MDH, Flat Out, CF, now Vautour.

From a personal point of view, I was quite fortunate to lay off my Arkle and Champion Chase bets on Xmas eve; but I've now reinvested that money with this bet.  6/1?  I can't believe it, out from a general 6/4.

Hills have now trimmed him back in to 9/2.

When Champagne Fever tripped up in the same race last year, he was eased from 3's to 5's for the Arkle, so it was an overreaction for the bookies to push Vautour out to 8's straight after.

Just shows with these novices though, like UDS in his first race, its a risky business going in big on them at short odds, because they can be prone to mistakes.

Not a 2miler? I think I've heard it all.

Sint, I know WPM's record is poor, but think its a bit harsh in this instance. Vautour was unbeaten and has looked nothing but exceptional. The way he jumped first time up was outstanding. As good as you could hope to see from a novice chaser IMO. I don't think they over faced the horse yesterday... Just agree that there must have been something wrong. That and the fact PT never seemed to get him into any sort of rhythm. Think the horse lost his confidence after a couple of dodgy jumps.

what i noticed was that he was not given as "easy time " up front as he has had in his last few races, he was headed up front by real steel  ,don't know if its significant  and in no way crabbing vautour as he is obviously an exceptional talent ,who knows what would have happened without the mistake imo he needs further than 2m ,I know he pished up in the supreme but wpm has said he is a possible gold cup horse ,thing was he made the mistake 5 out but it was a slip on landing he didn't hit the fence and have the stuffing knocked  out him  ,he lost  about 2-3 lengths   and was quickly back in contention ,ground may have been an issue? or something may come up post race ??

what bookies are going 6/1  any race?

Unless I've really missed something I'm surprised people are saying he wasn't travelling and didn't look happy. I've watched it back this morning and he seemed to be going fine to me until he knuckled on landing and almost went over. The ground looked awful so maybe he didn't appreciate that too much and it stifled his fluency a little, but it's not like he was jumping badly beforehand. Given how he dispatched Clarcam first time out, and with the ground yesterday, I'm drawing a line underneath it unless of course something does come out in the next few days. He may well have strained something when he almost went

Think the crucial thing as far as future running plans are is what connections will be thinking after that yesterday.
Hopefully we will know sooner rather than later.

Yeah, I thought that.  After his chance had gone, I thought they could have been a bit easier on him in the home straight.

PP still after Vautour in Arkle. Gone 8/1 this morning. Have stepped in. Cant let that go. Worth taking the chance.

Willie Mullins is drawing a line through Vautour's defeat at Leopardstown on Friday.

Last year's Supreme Novices' Hurdle winner lost his position at the head of the betting for the Arkle when well beaten by Clarcam, whom he had beaten easily earlier in the season.

A bad blunder in the back straight contributed to his defeat, but Mullins also feels there was an underlying issue.

"I'm just drawing a line under Vautour's run. He wasn't right. I didn't actually see the race yet, but from talking to all my people at home in the stable and people who watched the race, the horse wasn't right," said the Closutton handler.

"I have my own reasons. People who were watching him said to me 'he just didn't stride the way he does'. I have my own reasons for that and I think he'll get over that and hopefully I'll bring him back to the way he was. Vautour will come back to himself."

Champagne Fever ran with credit in the King George before getting tired close home and the champion trainer said: "That's probably as good as he is. He'll probably get an entry in the Gold Cup, but he'd need to improve about a stone on the King George run to have a chance."

While Kalkir was also turned over at long odds on, he is another Mullins thinks will bounce back.

"I didn't expect him to get beaten and I think he'll come back from this," said Mullins.

He added of Christmas Hurdle hero Faugheen: "He's improving all the time and we were delighted with him.

"We went racing yesterday with four favourites going to Cheltenham and we knew they couldn't all win."

I am sticking to the dream - Vautour (Arkle) and Kalkir (Triumph). Conditions at Leopardstown were extreme and the nose dive definitely negatively impacted Vautour and it makes no rationale sense for Clarcam to deliver such a huge reverse with Vautour. I am going to take advantage of the doubters and carry on loading on both Vautour and Kalkir - double and singles.

Entered in the Irish Arkle alongside UDS. Wonder if he'd run both seeing as the JLT is looking the race of the festival at the moment