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Is Simon Claisse totally deranged?
Is Simon Claisse totally deranged?
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No watering ever for summer jumping round Market Rasen and Stratford it s utter bollox
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festivalfanatic 09 Mar 14 13:01
Beautiful day in Cheltenham. I've just been out for a jog and it is sunny, warm and breezy. Is this your final canter before racing? |
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If they're shrewd the BHA will be steering Claisse to not water, thereby ensuring Fenton doesn't win the Gold Cup
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What's up with you lot.Hes telling you what's happening.hes said for many yrs now that he aims to start with good to soft unless the rains make it soft or heavy but no way will it start with good going.And this is exactly the right way to do it too.
A fair number of top class hurdlers over the years have needed goog ground. Why on earth should an over enthusiastic clerk wreck the chances of this ever happening again? You can certainly start the festival on good going, and then water to maintain the ground as good as necessary throughout the week. To deny good ground horses the chance of ever winning another champion hurdle the way that Make A Stand did so excitingly is wrong in my view. This winter, more or less since half way through November the only horses that had a chance of winning were real mud larks. All the good ground horses have never had a chance since the Hennessy. Now the deluge has finally stopped after another "wettest winter in history" the trainers of the good ground horses are going to be snookered by a nutter with a terrible fetish for turning on the taps. |
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And to add to that which I totally endorse it says it on the description. Good. Not oh my god it's like a road. GOOD. In other words perfectly respectable ground for the animals which is in no way unsafe.
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excellent point, its high time they changed the notation if the ground is so unwanted. Bad to Soft, Bad in places. But then what would that make firm?
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Beautiful day in Cheltenham. I've just been out for a jog and it is sunny, warm and breezy.
Is this your final canter before racing? Actually it is josef though a very slow piece of work! Gym tomorrow then slippery slop for the rest of the week......   |
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Unless you don't want Last Instalment to run, I'm not sure why people are worried by the watering policy. No doubt genuine good ground horses deserve their chance to shine, but this has been a jump season of mostly soft/heavy ground, good ground is going to turn the form on it's head!
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Rubbish
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loper 09 Mar 14 14:08 Joined: 08 Oct 01 | Topic/replies: 3,028 | Blogger: loper's blog
No watering ever for summer jumping round Market Rasen and Stratford it s utter bollox There is no problem when Stratford and Market Rasen fixtures are ran on Good to firm |
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I attend most Stratford meetings and they water like crazy!
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Sorry mate I meant it s not unheard of for those tracks to be good to firm in the summer
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A race at Market Rasen or Stratford is a little different to a race at the Festival. It is more important to have softer landing conditions when there is more potential for a horse to come down at breakneck speed.
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how can he water pre racing ,worse way its good good to soft ,he will call it good to soft anyway ,surely u let them run tomorrow
then water tomorrow evening if needs be ? |
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There's no way he'll water for tomorrow. The speculation seems to be whether he'll water the new course ready for Thursday.
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He's just been on RUK. Its good to soft all over he said "I know it might sound perverse but there is a possibility we will water"
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Obviously hes had brains on good to soft
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AC Stafford
It's the inconsistency which is the point. The big handicap chases at the November and December meetings are often run at breakneck pace. There seems to be no problem with good ground then. |
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Watering at Cheltenham 'unlikely'
Clerk Simon Claisse said: "We will do whatever we can to avoid racing on good to firm, but my gut feeling is that we will get through the week without watering. I don't want to say we won't, but I think it's unlikely." |
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Great. So now we have three dead horses, one a potential superstar, and a high-profile jockey with a serious injury.....all caused by SPEED. Of course speed is a given at the Festival, but its worst effects can be greatly reduced by watering. A bit late in the day regrettably, but thank goodness Claisse is turning on the taps on the New Course tonight, and hopefully again tomorrow night.
Let's have GENUINELY good-to-soft ground please. |
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LOL Our Conor's death had nothing to do with the ground never heard so much nonsense.
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Oh really?? Well (LOL) he wouldn't have gone off at that stupid pace on proper good-to-soft and probably wouldn't have made his fatal error. Speed kills, hasn't anyone told you that? LOL
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They went off a fast pace in last years CH too, tbf. Though we get the point.
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Yeah there is never any bad falls on heavy ground or fatalities. The horses never come home exhasuted. It s not proper good to soft either if it is watered you get false patchy ground at times. Claisse actually described the ground as on the soft side of good and riding a bit tacky and you wanted watering?
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Totally agree with sj here.
Watering=safer is an argument that is laudable but ill thought through and one dimensional and it doesn't hold up to scrutiny. |
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Yes but you only have to look at the times of the first few races on Day 1 to see that Claisse underestimated the extent to which the ground had dried out. Thought he might have watered a bit on Tuesday night.....would have helped imo.
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michael o clearly pocket talking. Apart from the 2 milers which are being timed from a different point to how they have always been is the ground suggesting fast? Of course not. The races are being run outside of standard. So much for being run at break neck speed. If Claisse is indeed watering we need to know how much and it is back to square one in terms of betting. Let the mugs take their chance. They'll be getting no contributions towards the levy from me tomorrow and possibly Friday if he is at it again tomorrow night. What a shambles.
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yep, track records on Day 1, so certainly can be argued Claisse has underestimated the state of the ground.
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wasn't aware of that Ee. cheers.
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michael o
No disrespect but you haven't a clue or you wouldn't have made that stupid comment. Traditionally the time of the race began when the flag went down. Now it is several seconds later when the first horse passes the start line. Have a look at the times of the longe events where this isn't as much of an issue both yesterday and today. So many races run outside standard. Good safe ground with just enough juice in it. Now prepare for the lottery. |
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marychain....laudable but ill-thought-through? Bit like saying reducing the no-limit speed on German Autobhans would have no effect on the carnage caused by high-speed pile-ups.
ANYTHING to slow down the races at the Festival when the weather is as it is right now, has to be a positive as far as I'm concerned. |
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You keep saying slow the races down. Instead of doing that might I suggest you actually look at the times of the races?
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what are you on about weather ffs its good to soft
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EEternaloptimist, I know all about the new timing procedures, so don't patronise me and call me stupid. The times were still extraordinarly fast, given the official going description.
It's not the time of the long events that concern me. They didn't produce the fatalities, yesterday or today. |
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And another thing Ee, I wasn't pocket-talking because I don't bet or rarely do. But I do have a runner on Friday and want to see him back home safe. That's why I'm delighted that Cheltenham is now watering.
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The going on the first day was good to soft what do you want mate? When are decent ground horses going to get their ground?
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I'm sorry but you do leave yourself open to being patronised by your comments. Despite the new timing procedure which suggest faster races than they actually are more of todays races were run slower than even the standard times based on the old timing than the number of races which were quicker. That's standard times don't forget. In championship races. So please no more emotive claptrap. If you don't want patronising I suggest you deal in facts.
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I wonder if you're horse is a good ground horse or likes a bit of cut? We'll see f you're pocket talking or not. Let us know what it is.
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And another thing which is not good enough. If they are watering tonight then that's just another example of Claisse and his tricks. On Tuesday he said he didn't envisage the need to water throughout the meeting. Now if correct he's at it halfway through. Gross incompetence on ground which is no faster than good ground.
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If the going is the deciding factor for the number of fatalities how do you explain the fact that in 2014 we have had 3 in two days on good to soft yet in 2011 there was only 1 fatality despite good ground and at times good to firm?
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