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By:
ReaseHeath
When: 06 Mar 14 23:30
^ what about the other Irish horses? Wink
By:
BarryM
When: 07 Mar 14 00:01
There is no doubt he's better on soft ground, but the ground will be fairly similar to last year, so don't think that's a big issue. I don't understand the opening comment that he has struggled this year, he's won 2 more grade 1s against the best of the Irish. I do think this is the best field he's faced though, and he will need to put up his best Cheltenham performance to win imo. Which connections seem to think is very likely.
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 07 Mar 14 01:30
Well the race has got me stumped and so I'll sit down with a nice single malt and watch events unfold. One things for sure even though I won't bet. If The Fly does come to win it irrespective of my comments about Mullins and the other horses I'll be shouting him home every bit as loudly as I did when Denman and Kauto came down the hill eye balling each other.
By:
buddeliea
When: 07 Mar 14 07:55
Some serious rubbish being spouted on this thread.

Hurricane Fly is simply a top class racehorse who acts on any ground.
He has top class form on every type of going that backs that up.

Maybe others don't act so well on soft or heavy and that would give HF more chance of victory...that I can accept,but to say hes a better horse on soft is simply cr&p, and as for MudlarkLaughLaugh.

Hes just a class act lads.
His age is possibly against him this year, and another horse could improve past him of course, but don't use the ground as a reason to try and get him beat...that wont work!!!
By:
Patented
When: 07 Mar 14 08:04
The OP's initial post is the greatest load of tripe I've ever read on this forum..
By:
Patented
When: 07 Mar 14 08:13
Beat peddlers cross by a neck??? Give up the game.... The Fly will absolutely destroy this field and if you had un de sceaux and annie power in it, the result wud be the same....
By:
sintonian
When: 07 Mar 14 08:26
Be as patronising as you like CV but the official description was Soft. Had it not have been then ROR would have gone close to beating him.
By:
cyclops
When: 07 Mar 14 10:24
Interesting that so many people claim that this year's race is far stronger than last year. Very difficult to judge these things in advance. The bare form of what the English contenders have achieved is far below what's needed to win a Champion. We don't know if MTOY will get up the hill better than last year and we don't know if TNO is a genuine contender over two miles as the only time he's run against a top two miler over that distance he was beaten (please don't bring up Rock on Ruby at Kempton).
I remember the excitement a few years back when Detroit City (6/4) and Straw Bear (7/1) from England faced up to the might of Hardy Eustace (3/1) and Brave Inca (11/2) for Ireland in what was heralded as a classic. In the event, Detroit City never went a yard, Straw Bear showed himself to be miles off that class and the two Irish horses cut each others' throats and they were all chinned by Sublimity.
Yes, a potential classic ahead but lets not get carried away too soon.
By:
pedrobob
When: 07 Mar 14 11:10
The bare form of what the English contenders have achieved is far below what's needed to win a Champion


.....  meanwhile the 13yo Captain Cee Bee finished in amongst the three Irish lads only beaten 2 3/4 lengths by Hurricane Fly last time?

And didn't finish much further behind the time before, suggesting the Irish form this season ain't worth a hill of beans.

Will be absolutely no surprise if Jezki or Our Conor turn it around if Captain sets up a decent gallop..... the nightmare scenario for Mullins which he has done everything to try and avoid
By:
Ballydoyle
When: 07 Mar 14 11:23
The bare form of what the English contenders have achieved is far below what's needed to win a Champion

Bolloxx.
By:
cyclops
When: 07 Mar 14 11:32
Explain.
By:
tomdeane
When: 07 Mar 14 11:55
I have been against the great Fly for this all season and with a solid pace now looking likely and decent ground also likely, I am more against him than ever. They'll go too quick early and midway through the race, and the class opposition will be too much at a track he doesn't like. Personally would be surprised if Our Conor doesn't finish ahead of him, and that might not even be enough for that mighty young contender to win the race.

He is the horse of a lifetime and if he wins I will be there to cheer him in and will hold my hands up and admit I was massively wrong.
By:
cyclops
When: 07 Mar 14 12:42
Credit to you Tom. Nail your colours but be ready to accept we all get it wrong. I'd say exactly the same in reverse. If the Fly gets beat, so be it and, if he gets beat by TNO, then I've read this race completely wrong.
Few seem to have noticed just how much ground HF put between himself and OC last time out in the final hundred yards. Last flight mistake cost him momentum but, once over that, he disposed of OC readily. Yes, as someone says, Cheltenham finds out the Champions in decline and it will happen one day. But not this time I believe. Ground worries me not at all.
By:
shockster
When: 07 Mar 14 12:53
I am 100% with you Tom and the horse is even more fantastic than I thought if he pulls it off.
By:
pedrobob
When: 07 Mar 14 12:53
Last flight mistake cost him momentum but, once over that, he disposed of OC readily.

.... and beat Captain Cee Bee 2 3/4 lengths? Difficult to understand how anyone can rely on that as solid form remotely good enough to win a Champion.....
By:
cyclops
When: 07 Mar 14 12:59
pedro, if you use a single horse to devalue the form, then how do you account for TNO against Jumps Road?
By:
pedrobob
When: 07 Mar 14 13:07
same reason, cyclops, slow pace.

My point is not that neither horse is a serious horse, but that the form of those races means nothing as far as Tuesday is concerned if they go a decent pace..... and why any of the first five in the market could win it they do
By:
jasey
When: 07 Mar 14 13:15
Thats true Pedro but they will all have to improve to beat HF and thats a fact m8
By:
Ballydoyle
When: 07 Mar 14 13:26
"far below" is just bolloxx.

The New One and My Tent or Yours are just not far below Hurricane Fly based on form. They are slighly behind, not far below. If they were far below they would be trading at Jezki's price.

Neptune winners do well in this and The New One has taken Zarkandar and Rock on Ruby apart who were close up in Champion Hurdles. My Tent has already taken care of Jezki and is on a par with The New One based on Xmas Hurdle running.
By:
sintonian
When: 07 Mar 14 13:30
People are forgettin ghte two horses behind TNO & MTOY at Kempton are rated 150 and 147. They were pumped 28 lengths. These two horse will fight out the finish. They are progressing.
By:
Ballydoyle
When: 07 Mar 14 13:36
Exactly. Hurricane Fly a great horse but he's 10 and these two are younger and upcoming. The New One's turn of foot is deadly. Favourite on here for as long on here....not bad for a horse that is "far below" standard.
By:
Ballydoyle
When: 07 Mar 14 13:37
Marito and Captain Cee Bee would be rounding the home turn in the xmas hurdle after these two had jumped the last. Different gravy to these things the Fly has been running against.
By:
cyclops
When: 07 Mar 14 13:40
Ballydoyle, there have been many horses over the years trading at short prices for the Champion who have been exposed in the race as not up to the standard required - Back in Front, Rhinestone Cowboy, Detroit City, Menorah etc. I believe TNO will join that list.
By:
pedrobob
When: 07 Mar 14 13:41
Thats true Pedro but they will all have to improve to beat HF and thats a fact m8

yet if you analyse the sectionals from Chelt last year, both TNO and MTOY will wipe the floor with Hurricane Fly.

Many will say the Champion was more strongly run mid-race, but as have written elsewhere, Hurricane had the easiest run of the first four home, yet was all out to score in not beating them by far. Those held up were beaten even further so didn't benefit from being held up off a supposed strong pace. The Champion form has also been devalued constantly since.

It's absolutely clear Hurricane needs a slow pace / sprint to win against a probably stone better field then last year .... anything else and his chances recede dramatically.
By:
Ballydoyle
When: 07 Mar 14 13:43
Well I think he's got a right good chance.

Our Conor beat that Sameategal 17 lengths in Triumph and he's been close up behind the Fly...these two had that thing 28 lengths behind at Christmas.

We'll see how it all pans out on Tuesday.
By:
cyclops
When: 07 Mar 14 13:48
As has been said before, Pedro, by that reckoning Medinas, who ran the same course as TNO an hour later in 5.5 seconds quicker, carrying 3 lbs more, is a great champion (not to mention the horses that followed him home.) Every race is different; pointless to pick out random sectionals to make an argument.
As for using Sametegal as a yardstick - that really is clutching at straws. A horse who's regressing rapidly.
By:
Ballydoyle
When: 07 Mar 14 13:52
Can only go by what's being beating what...Rock On Ruby runner up in Champ by 2 murdered 10 by The New One...Zarkandar beat by 6 in same Champ...beat by 6 by the New One also.

Don't kid yourself with certain forumites on here who are President and Vice President of the Willie Mullins fan club.

Hurricane Fly is a great horse but the other trainers are no mugs. They know what they've got, they are open to improvement and are ready to go.
By:
Arklearkle
When: 07 Mar 14 14:34
TNO was made favourite for this years race after he beat Rule The World and an out of sorts Pont Alex and then finished a length ahead of Thousand Stars when beaten by Zarkander. TNO is a chaser. Its a joke he has been the favourite for this race. He does not jump hurdles properly either and if he is still anyway in contention at the last he will fluff it on Tuesday. He'll be in the RSA next year against Annie Power.
By:
cmacedin
When: 07 Mar 14 14:51
Be surprised if the Fly makes the first 3.
By:
Ballydoyle
When: 07 Mar 14 15:03
Arklearkle...all you've quoted there is last year's form. He's since blown Zarkandar away and took Rock on Ruby's head off. He was a novice at Aintree. You're not seriously telling me he hasn't improved this year?
By:
Arklearkle
When: 07 Mar 14 15:34
I dont know but I would ask which Zarkander and which ROR did he beat. Very little between Jezki and MTOY last year. MTOY beats TNO this year and Jetski is beaten twice in Ireland.
By:
cyclops
When: 07 Mar 14 16:05
Didn't beat Zarkander with anything like the authority that Annie Power did. And he does seem to be in decline.
By:
Harrys Mate
When: 07 Mar 14 17:51
cant believe people knock the Fly.
He is far and away best Ive seen IMO. When he quickened away as a novice at Leop I marked him down as class.
I believe he would have beaten Istabraq on any ground.
Maybe he doesnt like Chelt quite as much but I'm not sure he has been ridden to get the best out of him there.
As a 10 yo the stats are against him, but I really do hope he wins.
I like Twisters horse and had a right do on him in the novice race last year. The race will be run to suit him. Dont fancy My tent at all and think the race will be between The New One and Our Conor even if he is only 5. Cant back any horse at 10 for any champ race.
By:
firstimevisor
When: 07 Mar 14 20:17
The Fly doesn't have any flaws.He may have been first off the bridle last year but came back onto it again,at which point it was all over bar the shouting.He is not ground dependent.He is the toughest horse in training which makes his true ability so hard to gauge.When beaten 2 years ago he just wasn't right(fell in next time in Punchestown from Zaidpour I think).It wasn't the ground,it wasn't the ride he got,he just wasn't right,couldnt quicken and his pure toughness got him third.
I rate him the best I've seen without any doubt.I havnt seen any noticeable decline in him this year.Maybe he has and we will find out on Tuesday but to me he's looked to have had plenty up his sleeve every time this year again.
One thing is for certain,if he is even within 5 lbs of his peak-self he will win again,cos of the 4 pretenders,none stand out from the rest.I doubt very much if 4 superstars have come along at the same time seeing as we've only had 2 in the last 30 years.
By:
buddeliea
When: 07 Mar 14 20:23
yep,totally agree.
By:
cryoftruth
When: 10 Mar 14 21:18
5/1? That's funny. Or maybe we should have a spread bet. I'll buy shorter than 5/1 off you.  Should have taken it, and other who were so rude.

6/1 now available with a major booky tomorrow. And you scoffed when I predicted 5/1.

I hope the Hurricane fans waited a while for the proper price!
By:
alleged22
When: 10 Mar 14 21:23
Cool
By:
Mr Mischief
When: 10 Mar 14 21:30
The 6/1 is a limited offer. You should not confuse Cheltenham specials with true market value
By:
RickiBobby
When: 10 Mar 14 22:01
COT Cool
By:
cryoftruth
When: 10 Mar 14 22:11
He is far and away best Ive seen IMO

The best I ever saw was Night Nurse, although a few more nearly as good were Monksfield, Comedy of Errors, Lanzarote, and especially the brilliant but ill fated Golden Cygnet. I also think Istabraq was better.

The Hurricane is a great hurdler though. Its just I am old and remeber the real golden age of hurdlers, and they were very good.
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