When you get up in the morning make some breakfast it helps the mind think quicker,you are more alert and decision making becomes much easier,as for training racehorses leave that to those that are qualified to do so

Exactly decalec. Don't come on moaning he should go here or go there, its your pocket talking, u pay your money u take your chance, Willie milullin has forgot more than anyone on this forum knows about horse racing. I doubt he trying to keep his owners happy, if Willie thinks a certain horse has a better chance to win a different race I for one wouldn't slate him, he gets it right good 99% of the time, because if he didn't he wouldn't have the ammunition he has now

I'd rather have Walsh on in the JLT than Townend on in the Arkle.

Disagree with that. You should always form your own opinion on a horse, even if it differs from the trainers. They're not always right, and in the case of Mullins it's more to do with having a good chance in every race. He's more likely to pick the JLT for Felix because he has Champagne Fever to the Arkle, not because he feels its his best distance.

i really hate it when people come out with the  "I recommend u set up your own yard and train horses" line. of coure willie is one of the best trainers ever, doesnt mean he cant get it wrong sometimes.

I give up.

Course it does.
Someone starts a thread about a horse they fancy or have backed,others come on and agree or disagree, and so it starts....the pocket talking,we all do it to a certain degree.

Ive backed FY so I want him in the Arkle and state my case for that,what on earth is wrong there??
His form in the book does not make me look like a pocket talking biased sore loser imo,so my case has credence.

If at the end of the day,a trainer says a horse has more chance in another race and the form imo does not back that up,then why not say you disagree?? If you have something to back you up(form eg) other than the fact you have money involved,i don't see that as simple as pocket talk.

If someone says "oh that's mullins way,he wants to win every race and so does his jockey" is that fair on an owner that WANTS his horse in a different race?? I don't think so. I don't know what Wylie has said,and if he agrees with Mullins then fine...im just saying if he don't and he wants his horse in the Arkle,then he should say so,see what Mullins says,and then act as he sees fit.

Everyone pocket talks to a certain degree,they obviously think that cf will win the arkle,and before any says they didn't even know if cf was gonna run the arkle,it has always been the plan,the morriaty race last week was just a smokescreen !

Do you honestly think cf was gonna run in it,2 mile 5 on heavy ground,why does ruby want to ride it in the arkle,why does he want to ride fy in the jlt,because that's the best chance the stable has got to win both,I would rather listen to someone who has had more winners at Cheltenham than anyone rather than an idiot like you !

Same as that alleged,16/1 nrfb,so not the end of the world,just find another horse to back on the day....should not be difficult.
Could well top up on my main hope Trifolium, been thinking along them lines.
Would be nice to have FY running as well,bur antepost we aint gonna get em all right!!
Just genuinely feel hes earned the right to run and has a real good chance in the Arkle if the grounds decent enough.

because that's the best chance the stable has got to win both

cuf,
if you were Wylie,and you wanted FY in the Arkle, would you be happy with that from your trainer???

Its always going to happen though Bud. Any owner is faced with this, and to some degree, you just have to accept it. The trainer will tell you that it makes sense as there isnt much between the two and it would be crazy to be beaten by a stable mate. I remember when we had Catch Me and I was keen on him going for the Supreme. EoG had always been adamant that the Neptune was the right race, and I always felt it was because he had Clopf for the Supreme and wanted a chance in each. But he said there was nothing between them and we didnt want to take him on. They sell it to you very well.

As it happens, Ebizayan won a poor Supreme, we were 3rd in a red hot Neptune, not quite getting home, and to this day, I still regret it as I think we could have won that Supreme

So as it happens, we should have been firmer, but its very hard not be guided by your trainer. If WPM tells Wylie he doesnt think FY can beat CF, what can he do?

Ballycasey put up an admirable display as deputy for Champagne Fever to take the Dr PJ Moriarty Novice Chase at Leopardstown

Mullins said: "He's not bad for a first reserve.

Mullins also had an update on Champagne Fever, who he said was "fine" and would probably go straight to the Cheltenham Festival next, although he decline to specify a target

is the smoke clearing yet cufcno1

Yep, I totally see your point mate,and as an owner respect what you say.
Its just this thing about wanting to win both races that gets me.Yes,they want to win both, I get that, but if the owner really wants his horse in the Arkle,then imo he should be allowed that...it is his horse!!
What can he do??
What he wants really as long as hes willing to go with the consequences!!
It just depends how strongly he feels I guess.

I agree Bud, the owner should always get what they want. But if there is a clear case for both races, which there is here, its easy to be swayed! Us lot on here cant even agree which race would be best! In most cases the trainer will be cute enough to get what he wants.

Respect your opinion buddeliea i tend to go with my gut when it comes to this race , good race for me and im a Champagne fella if he turns up , If i was an owner trust me if i had a horse with a chance in the arkle id be sayin run it there even if my trainer said JLT is the best Chance, love this race, the holy trinity of day one, dont mess with that Cheltenhan.Brownes Gazette, Bobs Line and Cima the Mare did me , but if your gonna get beat get beat by a star

Budd you keep saying "if the owner wants to go for the Arkle ......." I keep have said a few times that if the owner wants to run FY in the Arkle then he will run in the Arkle. We have never heard Wylie say he wants to run him in the Arkle. If I owned a horse and the trainer told me it had a better chance of winning the JLT then I would run him in it and so would 98% of owners. There seems to be a little bit of anti WM on some of the threads on here. He has about 20 novice hurdlers which could do themselves justice in the novice races and you have people complaining because he doesnt tell us which races they will run in. Do we know where Cue Card, Al ferof, First Lieutenant The Liquidator and/or scores of other horses will run. We dont but I dont hear the same complaints. A few weeks back someone even said re FY "its a pity someone else doesent train him" - I knew I had heard everything when I read that.

Exactly arklearkle, people.want the best of everything. The reason Mullins has so many good horses is because he is head and shoulders above every1 else in Ireland as a trainer, I don't have solid facts but could any of these "if I was an owner" brigade tell me.a horse that has left Mullins yard and improved?? If Felix younger isn't the beat 2 mile novice chaser in Mullins yard what chance does he have in the arkle? Am not saying he isn't but surely Mullins Doesnt think he is or he would be going arkle? Isnt that how this game works?

Best 2 mile novice chaser go arkle
Best 2 mile novice hurdlers go supreme... Etc?

With all this whining on about he should be going Here or there or if I was the owner sound a lot of sour grapes to me lads... All the best for the festival

Hey McKeown Mullins aint a God by the way , head and shoulders , think your takin it a bit far give the same horses to a few other trainers here in ireland and id say if they didnt do much better they wouldnt be far off, if i had a good horse id stay clear of mullins stable not because he aint top class , id be puntin it and if you tell me id get the same prices if he were with mullins  you are away with the fairies mate

He ain't a God.but he gets winners no matter where he sends them! All the big festivals he comes away with a fair share of winners, aintree, Cheltenham, punchestown, leapordstown at Xmas... Winning machine mate and he has the best jockey in the land riding for him, so if u had a half decent animal challenging for major honour in a different stable I'd be pretty sure Mullins has 1 better :-) if not he will go get one in France the following year!