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Surely this has to run in Arkle?? Better ground at Chelt usually, jumps well, two miler surely. If Champagne Fever not around would definitely run. Don't understand why they think longer race will suit....makes no sense.
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hard to argue with that, but I expect someone will!!
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The question is which race has he the best chance of winning. I dont believe its the Arkle.
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whys that mate?
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do you think he has more chance over half a mile further on possibly soft ground? because I don,t. we,ll get the wait for Aintree crew along soon, but what if this rain doesn't relent and Aintree is soft, "wait for punchestown" judging on the last 2 punchestown festivals it will be very soft or heavy there, FY has to take his chance in the arkle imo
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Don't think theres any point in running him at Chelt in any race if its soft ground.
On normal stuff I do!! The race with the distance his best form is at is the simple and obvious solution. |
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been saying this for a while flashy, maybe cos ive backed him for the arkle!
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buick,to be fair his form backs you up mate,on decent ground anyway,its the best out there.
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His best form is at 2m 5f
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I totally agree. There is nothing to suggest he wants further. Has beat Trifolium easily on better ground over 2m 1 - and Trifolium is second fav. It is the Hurricane Fly, Annie Power, Un De Sceaux syndrome all over again.
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You may be proved right in time Slabster..but he looks like a top class two miler to me.
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I know budd, i believe his navan win is the best form on offer i.e usual arkle conditions. Blantantly obvious he just isnt the same horse on softer. Fair enough they want CF to run but at the expense of FY, could be a disatorous decision.
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I'm a huge Felix fan, I think he has to have a big chance whichever race he runs in. However, I think the Jewson represents his best chance of winning. I think he's a class above the opposition in that and I don't agree with the argument that he's not as good over two and a half miles. Also, while the Navan win was a very good performance, I don't think the distance back to Trifolium is a true reflection of that horses ability as he set a suicidal pace and faded badly up the hill.
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definately agree that trifolium cant be judged on his run against FY slabster. i think he would get a lot closer to him in the arkle than at navan but i wasnt just rating Felix Yongers performance based on the disatnce back to trifolium that day. It was impressive to my eyes that he was able to keep up with that pace himself, yet have another gear at the finish. That almost certainly points to him being fully effective over the 2 1/2 trip but i just think if the arkle is on good ground and the pace is decent, hed take a lot of beating.
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Sounds like there's going to be a lot of CF voodoo dolls out and about this weekend.
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Has beat Trifolium easily on better ground over 2m 1 - and Trifolium is second fav.
tbf to Trifolium, he has improved considerably each start and comfortably put up the 2m novice performance of the season when winning last time from Felix. No reason to expect Trifolium not confirm form on quicker ground |
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Felix and Champagne Fever will be kept apart. That's for sure. So one goes JLT the other Arkle. As it stands Champagne Fever is Arkle bound.
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why should they be kept apart cv???
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they shouldnt, but they will
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or maybe i should have said "ruby"
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mullins will have 2 or 3 in most novice races so why keep these 2 apart, or is he keeping ricci sweet as he is the biggest spender in his yard at the mo, or is mullie playing the hurricane fly/quevega card in trying to make CF a 3 time festival winner at the expense of the wylie hoss
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I am sure if Wylie wants to run FY in the Arkle that is where he runs but he will probably be running for 2nd.
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I have backed FY for the arkle because quite simply I think he is the best novice over 2m on good ground.
However, I don't buy that he is much better over this distance than 2m4f+. You can read his form to make it look like that, but it's clear to me that the going has much, much more of impact on him than distance. I mean he was still running on at the end of the neptune. He has had 5 career chases. Three on good or yielding over 16f, 17f and 20f and won all three. He has had two other chases, one on soft over 19f and the other on heavy over 17f....he finished 2nd twice. If it comes up soft I wouldn't run him at all, but whether it is the JLT or Arkle (hopefully!), if it is contested on good ground, he goes close in either I think. |
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Everyone's forgetting the clear second in the Neptune yeah? Stayed plenty well that day. I'd say he'd get 3 miles
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Everyone's forgetting the clear second in the Neptune yeah? Stayed plenty well that day. I'd say he'd get 3 miles
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As most of you are aware the ground on the Tuesday is good to soft (that's the aim anyway) and as the meeting progresses the ground gets faster (in most years). Maybe this is why they are leaning towards the JLT rather than the Arkle for FY.
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Everyone's forgetting the clear second in the Neptune yeah? Stayed plenty well that day. I'd say he'd get 3 miles
didn't the winner go on to win an arkle? |
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alleged22 12 Feb 14 13:52 Joined: 18 Feb 12 | Topic/replies: 1,546 | Blogger: alleged22's blog
why should they be kept apart cv??? It's the mantra of Mullins. He keeps his best horses apart, so Ruby can ride and so he maximises his chances of winning as many races as possible. |
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Fortys the ground was soft last year on tuesday
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It wasn't soft, the going description given by the Clerk of the Course was soft. But a simple look at the times show it was riding on the faster side of good to soft.
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Alleged, the third went on to win a three mile Grade 1, what difference does it make?
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and by wednesday it was proper good going,the likes of pont alexandre and taquins chances had gone !
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Pont Alex wasn't right on the day, heard that from two sources. Was sweating up badly beforehand too. Whatever it was caused him to miss Punchestown festival too. Now he's on injured list.
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There are a number of scenarios to consider:-
Wylie might insist that FY runs in the Arkle, come what may. CF might flop on Sunday. CF might bruise a hoof the day before he is due to travel. If the ground stays as it is, then FY will probably stay at home. If CF wins on Sunday and rocks up to Cheltenham fit and well, then he will run in the Arkle with Walsh up. Ricci will make sure of that, whether FY runs or not. |
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yeh the good ground lol ! cv what would you pick,faugheen the machine or briar hill the juggernaught !
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The thing with pont Alexander was it got loose whilst out stretching that morning and ran a lap or 2 laps of the course before it was caught, so that's why the poor show was put up. The injury he has now happened further on after Cheltenham
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The thing with pont Alexander was it got loose whilst out stretching that morning and ran a lap or 2 laps of the course before it was caught, so that's why the poor show was put up. The injury he has now happened further on after Cheltenham
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Yes but he was entered at Punchestown and was withdrawn at the 48 hour stage. Whatever it was that happened to him at Cheltenham could easily be related to him not running at Punchestown. Horse has only had 4 runs so we'll see how he comes back next season over Fences.
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CV u said it could easily be related... But it wasn't?? He wasn't injured at all at cheltenham which i explained so why ry to link it, that's why he was entered at punchestown, Mullins was in 2 minds to withdraw him on the morning of Cheltenham. It was a hell of performance from the horse considering his excursions that morning The horse usually makes the running but that race ruby tried his best to make it a slow run race then draw the sting out of them but it didnt work.
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It's the mantra of Mullins. He keeps his best horses apart, so Ruby can ride and so he maximises his chances of winning as many races as possible
Then as an owner.....if I had a horse that imo was good enough to win an Arkle,and the trainer said he aint running,then I would say ok,my horses are off to a trainer that does not have his own and his jockeys agendas ahead of mine!! |