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11 Nov 13 09:55
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See Skybet are the new sponsors of the race.Probably worth keeping an eye on their prices etc as the season progresses,they may well throw in a decent offer or two
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Report alleged22 January 21, 2014 4:16 PM GMT
which in turn boosts the faugheen bumper winCool
Report sintonian January 21, 2014 4:23 PM GMT
bumpers, hurdles, bumpers, hurdles. Not for me Alleged. Cool
Report alleged22 January 21, 2014 4:28 PM GMT
well it doesn't harm it does it matey?
Report ReaseHeath January 25, 2014 8:34 PM GMT
Pond House seem to have a strong team of novice hurdlers and it looks like Red Sherlock for Neptune and King's Palace for Albert Bartlett, which leaves The Liquidator for Supreme surely?

He looks overpriced to me now because his run in the Tolworth was surely too bad to be true - stable form was n't great at the time, in fact I'm not convinced stable form has been great all season to date.
Report BJG January 30, 2014 12:04 PM GMT
The Sky Bet Supreme Novices' Hurdle
Class 1, Grade 1, Total Prize Fund £120,000, 1.30pm Tuesday, March 11, 2014, Old Course, two miles and half a furlong, for novice four-year-olds and upwards. Weights 4-y-o 10st 13lb, 5-y-o and upwards 11st 7lb, fillies and mares allowance 7lb. Entries closed January 28, entries released, January 30 (102 entries), scratchings deadline February 18. Six-day confirmation stage, March 5, final declaration stage 10.00am, March 10. Form figures supplied by Weatherbys and are correct up to and including Monday, January 27. May not include some overseas form.

Form  Horse    Age Owner    Trainer
3-11215 AAZIF (IRE)   5 Ian Williams    Ian Williams
0-631  ADRIANA DES MOTTES (FR) 4 Susannah Ricci   Willie Mullins IRE
1  AKLAN (IRE)  5 Coach Partnership   Willie Mullins IRE
14  ALONSO (SPA)  5 Andrea & Graham Wylie  Willie Mullins IRE
4-51114 ANGE BALAFRE (FR) 5 High Spirits Racing Club  Noel Meade IRE
1S34  ARCTIC FIRE (GER) 5 Wicklow Bloodstock Limited  Willie Mullins IRE
6  AREA FIFTY ONE  6 Middleham Park Racing III  Nicky Henderson
0-145  ART OF PAYROLL (GER) 5 Bishopsgate Syndicate  Dessie Hughes IRE
2  AURORE D'ESTRUVAL (FR) 4 Carl Hinchy    John Quinn
12-1223 AZORIAN (IRE)  6 Gigginstown House Stud  Eoin Griffin IRE
1/2-1114 BALLYALTON (IRE)  7 John Westwood   Ian Williams
11-111 BRIAR HILL (IRE)  6 Andrea & Graham Wylie  Willie Mullins IRE
2  BROUGHTON (GER) 4 Bloomfields    John Ferguson
211//20-1 CHELTENIAN (FR)  8 Roger Brookhouse   Philip Hobbs
3514  CHICAGO (IRE)  5 Thistle Bloodstock Limited  Pat Shanahan IRE
23-1101 CITY SLICKER (IRE) 6 J P McManus    Willie Mullins IRE
1-11  CLONDAW COURT (IRE) 7 Susannah Ricci   Willie Mullins IRE
3  COMMISSIONED (IRE) 4 Bloomfields    John Ferguson
4-2  CUP FINAL (IRE)  5 J P McManus    Nicky Henderson
126-115 CURLEY BILL (IRE)  6 Philip Reynolds   Noel Meade IRE
212212 DEEP TROUBLE (IRE) 7 Lady Jane Grosvenor   Ben Case
2121U  DELL' ARCA (IRE)  5 Prof Caroline Tisdall   David Pipe
322/5-  DIAMOND LIFE  8 Malcolm Denmark   David Pipe
2-601  DOUBLE IRISH (IRE) 6 Barry Connell    Gordon Elliott IRE
1P3  DUBAI PRINCE (IRE) 6 Bloomfields    John Ferguson
1//-42312 FANTASY KING  8 V R Vyner-Brooks   James Moffatt
1/40-52 FASCINO RUSTICO  6 John Hales    Paul Nicholls
1111  FAUGHEEN (IRE)  6 Susannah Ricci   Willie Mullins IRE
1  FENNELL BAY (IRE) 5 Bloomfields    John Ferguson
FIRST MOHICAN  6 Henry Ponsonby   Alan King
1-1124 GARDE LA VICTOIRE (FR) 5 Diana Whateley   Philip Hobbs
P2-3435 GASSIN GOLF  5 Will Roseff    Richard Lee
32  GERMANY CALLING (IRE) 5 Tyrone Hanlon   Charlie Longsdon
1311  GILGAMBOA (IRE)  6 John McManus   Enda Bolger IRE
4-13311 GITANE DU BERLAIS (FR) 4 Simon Munir/Isaac Souede  Willie Mullins IRE
2-112  GONE TOO FAR  6 J P McManus    Alan King
5-111  IRISH CAVALIER (IRE) 5 Andrew McIver   Rebecca Curtis
111  IRVING   6 Axom XLIX    Paul Nicholls
21  IVAN GROZNY (FR) 4 Andrea & Graham Wylie  Willie Mullins IRE
2112  JOSSES HILL (IRE)  6 Alan Spence    Nicky Henderson
152132 KING OF THE PICTS (IRE) 5 Thistle Bloodstock Limited  Pat Shanahan IRE
230-141 LAC FONTANA (FR)  5 Potensis Limited   Paul Nicholls
10-3  LE VENT D'ANTAN (FR) 5 Goliath Syndicate   Elizabeth Doyle IRE
111-311 LEGACY GOLD (IRE) 6 Roger Brookhouse   David Pipe
121  LIEUTENANT COLONEL 5 Gigginstown House Stud  Dessie Hughes IRE
025  LITTLE ROCKY  6 Barry Connell    Dessie Hughes IRE
612236 LORD OF SCOTLAND (FR) 5 Simon Munir    Alan King
31  LUCKY BRIDLE (IRE) 5 Andrea & Graham Wylie  Willie Mullins IRE
14  MERRION ROW (IRE) 6 O Barden    Philip Rothwell IRE
1F  MIJHAAR   6 Bloomfields    John Ferguson
110  MINELLA FORU (IRE) 5 J P McManus    Eddie Harty IRE
260-13 MINELLAFORLEISURE (IRE) 6 The Patient Partnership  Alex Hales
011  MOUNTAIN KING  5 Diana Whateley   Philip Hobbs
11-13  MOYLE PARK (IRE)  6 Susannah Ricci   Willie Mullins IRE
0-22101 NEW YEAR'S EVE  6 Bloomfields    John Ferguson
014  NOBLE ENDEAVOR (IRE) 5 Chris Jones    Gordon Elliott IRE
1222  NOBLE INN (FR)  4 M J Mulvaney    Willie Mullins IRE
31  PEARL CASTLE (IRE) 4 Mr & Mrs Paul Gaffney  John Quinn
1120  PINK HAT (IRE)  6 Jackie Mullins    Willie Mullins IRE
13  PLEASANT COMPANY (IRE) 6 Malcolm Denmark   David Pipe
51F6  PRINCE SIEGFRIED (FR) 8 Bloomfields    John Ferguson
0-4  PRINCE OF LOMBARDY (IRE) 6 Dr Ronan Lambe   Jim Culloty IRE
500-113 QUICK JACK (IRE)  5 John Breslin    Tony Martin IRE
3100-31 QUICKPICK VIC (IRE) 7 Joseph Duff    Tony Martin IRE
41  RAINBOW PEAK (IRE) 8 Bloomfields    John Ferguson
111F2  RATHVINDEN (IRE) 6 Ronnie Bartlett   Willie Mullins IRE
22-12  REAL STEEL (IRE)  6 Gigginstown House Stud  Philip Fenton IRE
(1)/12-212 REGAL ENCORE (IRE) 6 J P McManus    Anthony Honeyball
12  FRENNETI (FR)  5 Susannah Ricci   Willie Mullins IRE
4  RETRIEVE (AUS)  7 Bloomfields    John Ferguson
1  ROLL IT OUT (IRE)  5 J P McManus    Gordon Elliott IRE
23-311 ROYAL BOY (FR)  7 Michael Buckley   Nicky Henderson
111112 SEA LORD (IRE)  7 Bloomfields    John Ferguson
(1)00-313 SGT RECKLESS  7 Camilla Radford   Mick Channon
251215 SKY KHAN   5 The Unique Partnership  Richard Guest
424133 SPLASH OF GINGE  6 John Neild    Nigel Twiston-Davies
114  STAND TO REASON (IRE) 6 Seasons Holidays   Nicky Henderson
11  STELLAR NOTION (IRE) 6 Roger Brookhouse   Tom George
U11  SURE REEF (IRE)  5 Andrea & Graham Wylie  Willie Mullins IRE
322  THE BROCK AGAIN  4 F Duvivier    Yannick Fouin FR
141-115 THE LIQUIDATOR  6 Roger Brookhouse   David Pipe
451-111 THE TULLOW TANK (IRE) 6 Barry Connell    Philip Fenton IRE
40-1311 THREE KINGDOMS (IRE) 5 Bloomfields    John Ferguson
111/0-12 TISTORY (FR)  7 Judy Wilson    Nicky Henderson
(1)30-  UN ACE (FR)   6 Ace In The Pack Partnership  Kim Bailey
205-113 UPAZO (FR)   6 Philip Reynolds   Willie Mullins IRE
61-11  VALSEUR LIDO (FR) 5 Gigginstown House Stud  Willie Mullins IRE
14  VANITEUX (FR)  5 Richard & Lizzie Kelvin-Hughes Nicky Henderson
22-11  VAUTOUR (FR)  5 Susannah Ricci   Willie Mullins IRE
12-11  VICE ET VERTU (FR) 5 Neville Statham & Family  Henry Daly
12-1132 VICKY DE L'OASIS (FR) 5 Wicklow Bloodstock Limited  Willie Mullins IRE
1110-1 VIEUX LION ROUGE (FR) 5 Prof Caroline Tisdall & John Gent David Pipe
41112  VOLNAY DE THAIX (FR) 5 Judy Wilson    Nicky Henderson
1-45  VOLT FACE (FR)  5 Roger Brookhouse   David Pipe
10-461 WAXIES DARGLE  5 J P McManus    Noel Meade IRE
1-2  WEST WIZARD (FR) 5 Walters Plant Hire Ltd  Nicky Henderson
24-2112 WESTERN BOY (IRE) 5 Ballyclare Syndicate   Pat Fahy IRE
26-0  WHEN BEN WHEN (IRE) 5 Mrs S Tainton    Colin Tizzard
0-21111 WICKLOW BRAVE  5 Wicklow Bloodstock Limited  Willie Mullins IRE
20-11F  WILDE BLUE YONDER (IRE) 5 Maybe Only Fools Have Horses Alan King
52P-111 WILLOW'S SAVIOUR 7 Triple F Partnership   Dan Skelton
200-111 ZAMDY MAN   5 Muhammad Nadeem Khan  Venetia Williams

102 entries
44 Irish-trained
1 French-trained

Sky Bet Supreme Novices Hurdle, Sky Bet bet: 8/1 Vautour; 10/1 Irving, The Tullow Tank; 12/1 Ivan Grozny; 14/1 Josses Hill; 16/1 Valseur Lido, West Wizard, Western Boy; 20/1 Ballyalton, Briar Hill, First Mohican, Moyle Park, Royal Boy, Golantilla, Red Sherlock, Lieutenant Colonel, Sure Reef, Willow's Saviour; 25/1 Bar
Report ReaseHeath January 30, 2014 3:44 PM GMT
Thanks BJG,

So the sponsors have First Mohican (yet to jump a hurdle in public 6 weeks shy of the Festival) 5 points shorter in the betting than The Liquidator (4th in Champion Bumper and with a CD win in conditions that might not be dissimilar to those which which the Supreme will be run in).

Answers on a postcard, please...
Report gnashersblackpool February 1, 2014 12:40 AM GMT
liquidator going the hcap hurdle ain't it?
Report alleged22 February 1, 2014 9:39 AM GMT
Report Andymca February 1, 2014 9:52 AM GMT
I read that shortly after the tolworth race gnasher but then read somewhere that after red sherlocks win that as he was going down the Neptune route then the liquidator was being kept in the supreme

I hope he does as I have him multiple bets at some very nice prices
Report buddeliea February 1, 2014 9:52 AM GMT
liquidator ran sh!te last time??
Report alleged22 February 1, 2014 9:58 AM GMT
he is defo supreme bound and you can put a line through that Kempton race, 25-1 is defo over priced, another bookie over reaction...
Report buddeliea February 1, 2014 10:18 AM GMT
Why would I put a line through his last race?
Connections say something mate??
Report alleged22 February 1, 2014 10:31 AM GMT
connections said prior to the tolworth that Kempton would not suit, if he had not run at Kempton he would still be a 10-1 shot. when he won over the supreme distance he beat the 150 rated sea lord easily, lac fontana who was the first beaten has since come out and won, I would sooner take that form than the Kempton form where his trainer clearly stated numerous times that the course would not suit, also when I look at the leading principles for the supreme, I do not see a lot of course or festival form, whereas the liquidator has both, I think 25-1 is way toooo big and I am happy to keep topping up Excited
Report buddeliea February 1, 2014 10:51 AM GMT
Fair enough.
Not sure about him at all to be honest, yes he has festival form, but how good do we think the Bumper form is working out??
Report alleged22 February 1, 2014 10:57 AM GMT
which bumper form budde? being beaten by briar hill or the beating of apache stronghold?
Report buddeliea February 1, 2014 11:01 AM GMT
The general performances this season of the horses that ran in the Bumper.
Aside from BH winning not that impressively in Ireland, cant think off hand too many decent runs mate.
Been thinking maybe a poor Bumper??
Report Andymca February 2, 2014 7:53 AM GMT
Lieutenant colonel and Wicklow brave face each other at punchestown today and a good run by either will strengthen vautor's chances in the supreme
Report Can't Catch Me February 2, 2014 2:19 PM GMT
Just taken some 25/1 Wicklow Brave. I was really taken with that performance and he seems to be improving at a rate of knots.
Report chief dan February 2, 2014 3:42 PM GMT
travelled well an after his mistake at the last he quickend up in an instance deff backing Wicklow after that performance
Report chief dan February 2, 2014 3:42 PM GMT
travelled well an after his mistake at the last he quickend up in an instance deff backing Wicklow after that performance
Report ACStafford February 2, 2014 3:51 PM GMT
He was impressive, but his jumping needs polishing up a bit.
Report nostaw_01 February 4, 2014 12:03 PM GMT

Not really that many options left for him if they want to run in good races for decent prize money.
Could take in the Dovecote at Kempton on 22nd, would still give them a bit of time before the Supreme but that's assuming that the ground improves a bit in the next two weeks.
Report buddeliea February 16, 2014 7:08 AM GMT
The form of Zamdy Man took a couple of boosts yesterday.
He looks to me a soft ground horse,and if it does stay soft he just could be value at 25/1 currently available.
Report Haemolysis February 16, 2014 7:41 PM GMT
Probably stupid, but I've taken a bit of 400 for the win and 18 for a place on Fascino Rustico. Was going to sluice in in a crap nov hurdle at Winc yesterday when it fell 2 out. Hales won it with Al Ferof so i guess he may still run it.
Report ReaseHeath February 17, 2014 9:15 PM GMT
Willow's Saviour out of Festival

Alan King very bullish about First Mohican and confirmed runner in the Dovecote.
Report ReaseHeath February 17, 2014 9:16 PM GMT
sorry, Ponsonby very bullish about FM, thought those quotes were a bit uncharacteristic for Alan King.
Report wellchief February 19, 2014 9:16 PM GMT
Been trying to focus on this race tonight, as I've done most of my betting in the G1 races now.

Backed Vautour (pretty unoriginal) straight after his TTT victory, so happy with my price on him, but two I'm looking at now are Western Boy and The Liquidator (I see a few above like him).

Western Boy only beaten 3/4 of a length by Vautour last time out, when he was 7's and Vautour was 1/4, so shows what a good performance it was.  This is after he has only won a maiden hurdle, so to be pitched into a decent looking Grade 2 against Vautour on your second start over hurdles, tells me that he might be a good one, and I think represents some value at 16's, compared to Vautour at 11/4.

The Liquidator will probably divide opinions.  I'm not 100% sold on him yet, and I can't remember too many Supreme winners with a 5 next to their name, but he is a good ground horse and all the noises before Kempton was that it wouldn't suit.  As alleged has said, if he sat in his box without the Tolworth, he'd be 10/1 now.  This is exactly what has happened with Irving; track and ground din't suit in the Tolworth, hasn't run since and is 8/1 still.

It is hard to judge the strength of last year's bumper because normally only two or three max come out of them much better, and the order they finish in the bumper does not dictate the long term pecking order.

If you look at recent years bumpers, only a very small number from each race become household names, so it is very difficult to rate last year's at the moment imo because the vast majority of bumper runner disappear.

2009: Dunguib and Rite of Passage
2010: Cue Card and Al Ferof
2011: Cinders And Ashes and Felix Yonger
2012: Champagne Fever, The New One and Jezki
2013: Maybe Briar Hill and The Liquidator as the two???
Report ReaseHeath February 20, 2014 5:59 PM GMT

I have an ew interest in The Liquidator at 25/1 - just took the view that the Tolworth form was wrong - 'wrong' Henderson horse won, winner well beaten in the same race last year, desperate ground etc. - I'd actually have been more discouraged if he'd been beaten a couple of lengths but he was done with three out! Not sure his performance was attributable to ground or track, just think there was something wrong with him (no proof of that) - the other alternative is that he's not very good Confused

It's difficult to get a handle on his CD win in November because only Lac Fontana has run since (won comfortably) - but I don't think he ran his race in November. Generally, that race is not a great pointer to the Supreme either. Also, though the trainer states he'll run in the Supreme, he's also got an entry in the County Hurdle which seems to suggest they're not sure he's up to the top level.So my confidence in the bet is slowly dissipating as D day approaches.

Garde La Victoire also ran poorly in the Tolworth (imo -and may well have been down to the ground in his case)  and holds entries in both the Supreme and the County Hurdle. He was entered at Warwick tomorrow but it looks like Hobbs might let him take his chance in the Dovecote on Saturday, may well be using the race to find out which Cheltenham entry he takes up.

So, if I had n't already backed The Liquidator I might be inclined to wait to see how Garde La Victoire gets on if he runs on Saturday. If he goes well, I'd be even more confident that the Tolworth form is nonsense.

Of course, it's also possible that Royal Boy has improved beyond all recognition from last season but personally I can't have that!
Report ReaseHeath February 20, 2014 6:02 PM GMT
actually describing the ground for Tolworth as desperate is an exaggeration but I still don't think it suited Garde La Victoire.
Report ReaseHeath February 20, 2014 6:52 PM GMT
another random thought...reading the Mullins piece today, they seem pretty sweet on Valseur Lido as well as the other two higher profile contenders.
Report alleged22 February 20, 2014 6:58 PM GMT
I think vautor is the worthy fav, I also like the look of Wicklow brave, but the liquidator is still trading at 25,s and is still the value in the race imo
Report wellchief February 20, 2014 7:06 PM GMT
I still think Western Boy is the value to be honest.  His form couldn't have been boosted any better than Vautour winning a Grade 1, and is almost five times the price for 3/4 length defeat.  He did come second to Wicklow Brave in a bumper, buts that's comparing apples and pears.

Vautour and WB were having their second ever run over hurdles in a G2, so that tells me both are above average.  With Western Boy you can give the old "if he was trained by Mullins his price would be...." quote, but pretty much every single non Mullins Irish horse gets that Laugh

The more I think, I won't go in on the Liquidator, so I'm only on Vautour and Western Boy, so I'm hoping the form of their race works out well Happy
Report alleged22 February 20, 2014 7:13 PM GMT
Not sure his performance was attributable to ground or track, just think there was something wrong with him (no proof of that)

I don,t think the track suited, also the stable were not firing around that time, but they are banging in the winners atm
Report ReaseHeath February 20, 2014 7:35 PM GMT
yep, good point about the stable form, I'd forgotten that.

Hope they have n't peaked too early.
Report alleged22 February 20, 2014 7:39 PM GMT
ive been thinking that about twiston davies they red hot at the mo
Report wellchief February 22, 2014 8:52 AM GMT
Would it worry Irving backers if he has a hard race today, with little over two weeks until the Supreme?  Cutting it a little close imv.
Report buddeliea February 22, 2014 8:56 AM GMT
I would like to think the trainer knows what hes doing Chief,but yes its a bit too close for my liking mate.
Report wellchief February 22, 2014 9:03 AM GMT
Yeah, true mate. He ran Al Ferof in Feb before he won the Supreme, but that was a week earlier and a little stroll around Newbury.

Could be the same for Irving today, but it would concern me slightly that he was trained for the Betfair a couple of weeks ago, and this is Plan B.
Report seary February 22, 2014 12:35 PM GMT
Lieutenant Colonel this looks interesting, but by its price on here doesnt look like he ll be going for it...shortening up all the time in the neptune market tho...#interesting
Report buddeliea February 22, 2014 3:30 PM GMT
that was ok Chief,well happy with that.
Report ACStafford February 22, 2014 4:03 PM GMT
Should be favourite now.
Report Simonw1981 February 22, 2014 4:12 PM GMT
Told you all in November on this thread that my dad was excited about his share in Irving, it's fair to say he is a bit more than excited now!!!
Report Tory February 22, 2014 4:22 PM GMT
That was very impressive. Would just be concerned with the ex flat horses stat for the supreme though
Report Forty February 23, 2014 9:31 AM GMT
Impressive run yesterday no doubt from Irving but Vautour was just pushed out to beat a 2 times grade 1 winner. Think the odds are not quite right at the moment.

not saying Irving can't win though.

Report wellchief February 23, 2014 10:23 AM GMT
Yeah that was impressive Budd, but he won like he was entitled to. I thought his jumping was very sticky early on though, which should improve for a faster pace.

I do think though that running 17 days before hand is less than ideal though. I've also learnt not to get carried away with performances similar to that before the Supreme, like i did with Cue Card, Darlan and MTOY.

For those who are on at double figures then well done, but his price is far too short now imv. I think Vautour is still the one to beat, as Forty has said in the previous post.
Report SoYouThink February 23, 2014 10:54 AM GMT
Vautour is closely matched with Western Boy in the Moscow Flyer Hurdle. I watched Wicklow Brave's race and was seriously impressed by him too (everything in the field a winner going into the race and he won quite comfortably) - I wouldn't think there's much between the Mullins runners. Also thought The Tullow Tank was given a lot to do in the Deloitte and wasn't really losing ground on Vautour after the last. Haven't seen Valseur Lido's win at Navan but wonder why he hasn't been seen since?

Also haven't seen this year's Tolworth Hurdle but I'm thinking Josses Hill for this and Royal Son for the Neptune? Of the UK runners, Irving definitely the most impressive and I would rate his win yesterday as the most eyecatching too.

Not sure if it's a strong renewal but definitely think it's competitive. Back to Western Boy, I presume Russell keeps the ride? Aso heard he rides Morning Assembly so it's good to see the smaller Irish trainers are turning to Davy after his falling out with Gigginstown. Hope he gets a winner or two.
Report wellchief February 23, 2014 11:12 AM GMT
Can't disagree with any of that SYT.  I too like Western Boy and at 16's is too big for me.  I thought he quickened better than Vautour, but Vautour just outstayed him after the last.  Pat Fahy has said better ground will bring tonnes of improvement from him.

As you say, Irving is a long way clear of the English runners though, but not really sure what he beat yesterday.
Report ACStafford February 23, 2014 12:32 PM GMT
Will Ruby definitely pick Vautour? I'm not sure there's much in him and Wicklow Brave.
Report SoYouThink February 23, 2014 12:36 PM GMT
I'd expect he would, he's the favourite, he's the G1 winner, he's owned by the more influential owner. All in all, I wouldn't read too much into it as Townend is able deputy.
Report ACStafford February 23, 2014 12:41 PM GMT
I agree that Townend is a very good jockey the majority of the time, but, for whatever reason, he seems to have a very poor record at Cheltenham, with 1 win from 47 rides in the last five years. Despite getting second choice the majority of the time, you would still expect it to be far higher than this.
Report alleged22 February 23, 2014 1:09 PM GMT
im a tad surprised that irving is vying for favouritism... CF last year was still available at 20,s a week before last years supreme and he was a grade 1 winner, so on that basis I think vautor is also too short.
a favourite hasn't obliged since 04  brave inca  he went off 7-2. no value at all in the top 2....
Report Ibrahima Sonko February 23, 2014 1:15 PM GMT
He was only that price because he was a doubtful runner in the supreme, nearer the day he was single figures.
Report Masterminded February 23, 2014 1:56 PM GMT
Wicklow Brave to me has been as impressive as anything. I don't think he will be far away and is a nice enough price.
Report wellchief February 24, 2014 7:04 PM GMT
Can see Irving going off a pretty strong favourite in this now.

Timeform have Irving on 143p (up 1 pound for Saturday's win), Josses Hill on 143p as well, and Vautour on 149p.
Report Simonw1981 February 24, 2014 7:31 PM GMT
I see Wicklow brave as a big danger to irving given his smart turn of foot. Vautour looks more the grinder which isn't always bad in the supreme.
Report bluebirdfan February 25, 2014 8:21 AM GMT
Is it just me or does this look to be a crap Supreme? I'm struggling to find one horse I like. The Liquidator may be overpriced if he's a guaranteed runner?
Report sintonian February 25, 2014 8:41 AM GMT
It does look a weak renewal.

Vautour looks a chaser in the making to me with the size of his frame. Irving has looked really good and wish I took the 16's when it was available but he's yet to come under any real pressure or test. I like Josses Hill who still looks overpriced at 12/1. Form is solid and contested Grade 1 race lto. Should be bang there.
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! February 25, 2014 1:45 PM GMT
Vantour matched at 25
Is it out?

Report Ballydoyle February 25, 2014 1:51 PM GMT
When was this? 4.7 on my machine as far as I can see
Report Ballydoyle February 25, 2014 1:52 PM GMT
In fact yeah see last matched 25...hmm...
Report stevo1 February 25, 2014 2:05 PM GMT
Oh dear not another out,at least got couple against Vautour hope false alarm as fancied him strong.
Report layingisthewayforward February 25, 2014 2:06 PM GMT
he's been weak in the last few hours on here.. Set back?
Report Tory February 25, 2014 2:15 PM GMT
No money to really back Faugheen either for the Neptune
Report sintonian February 25, 2014 2:30 PM GMT
No money waiting to back Josses Hill either. He is due to work on Friday at Kempton with several other high profile horses from NJH's yard.
Report Tory February 25, 2014 2:37 PM GMT
Might just be a blip - perhaps a bot or something? Hope so anyway
Report SEATHESTARS....NO1 February 25, 2014 5:00 PM GMT
All are Mullin's as well Shocked
Report SEATHESTARS....NO1 February 25, 2014 5:01 PM GMT
Except josses Blush
Report SEATHESTARS....NO1 February 25, 2014 5:04 PM GMT
Plenty of money today for Wicklow Brave, gutted i was going to back that tonight at 9s, hes now just 15/2 with sly bet!
Report cufcno1 February 25, 2014 5:11 PM GMT
i doubled wicklow brave with 3 horses yesterday which all got beat..typical lol
Report Forty February 25, 2014 5:12 PM GMT
Surely the reason why Wicklow Brave has shortened is just a reaction from punters wary of Vautour not running.  If you look on the other threads I'm sure BallyDoyle has covered on WB.  I'm sure he is not the only one!

Report Forty February 25, 2014 5:16 PM GMT
Money coming for it now!

Not mine lol

Report sj February 25, 2014 5:17 PM GMT
Maybe they worked today and Wicklow worked better than Vautour
Report barnesey February 25, 2014 5:24 PM GMT
4 and a half grand trying to get on at just over 4/1 seems pretty positive for vautour backers!!!
Report Ballydoyle February 25, 2014 5:33 PM GMT
I would say.....
Report Arklearkle February 25, 2014 5:34 PM GMT
Yes Barnesey if there was anything big happening that would not last long.
Report sj February 25, 2014 5:44 PM GMT
I wouldnt bother trying to read it on here. that 4 and a half grand has gone wether matched or not. Whats telling is Wicklow being cut across the board and Vautour being shoved out by the bookies
Report Tory February 25, 2014 5:53 PM GMT
Guess we also have to remember that many people got on at 16/1 - 20/1 and could be getting out of it, which at this stage is what I'd be doing.
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! February 25, 2014 5:56 PM GMT
Today is a work day at Mullins
It is clear that Ruby is switching mounts
Don't think its trading out making this drift
Report sintonian February 25, 2014 8:45 PM GMT
It wouldn't be people getting out of their big prices. It wouldn't be a case of all of them suddenly deciding to trade. It is more likely informed money. The fact a couple of firms have bumped him out too is the worry for his ante-post backers, imo.
Report FOYLESWAR February 25, 2014 9:08 PM GMT
twinlight who disappointed  recently was reported  to have a throat infection.............any bearing ? who knows !
Report splinterboy82 February 26, 2014 10:16 PM GMT
P a d d y  P o w e r - Now going NRNB and money back up to £50 if your win selection finishes 2nd 3rd or 4th. Personally don't fancy Irving at all but having got Vautor, WB & JH as good winners had to have the £50 win on him as cover - Guess that's this years big headline special like money back if HF SS CV et al won in the past
Report Tory February 28, 2014 12:19 AM GMT
Anyone know what Wicklow Brave's Timeform rating is? Thanks
Report ACStafford March 3, 2014 3:40 PM GMT
Vaniteux is shortening whilst Josses Hill is on the drift. Will Geraghty be on Vaniteux?
Report buddeliea March 3, 2014 6:45 PM GMT
"It will be a tough call," he said, "I am probably leaning towards Vautour and I have won the race on stayers in the past. He seems to be a good stayer but they all have at least two more bits of work to do and they have to travel.

"But Wicklow Brave is a good horse, he's got a lot of speed. He jumped only okay the last day but I think he'll improve on that and he's a hell of a good horse and I hope I'm on the right one."

Looks like Ruby will be on Vatour.
Report gazovic March 3, 2014 8:21 PM GMT
BJG has been putting Josses up in the previews. seems keen
Report chief dan March 3, 2014 9:25 PM GMT
Im very sweet on Wicklow brave an ave backed it at good prices just looking at backing something else been looking at jp's horse gilgamboa some money for it today anyone like the looks of it his last run reads well but I didn't see the race any views on it people?
Report Ballydoyle March 3, 2014 9:38 PM GMT
Walsh rides Vautour
Report callitasucit March 3, 2014 9:45 PM GMT
Betting suggests that Vaniteaux has done a bit of work that will sway BJG. I was all over him at Kempton at Christmas, but he didn't jump a hurdle. Still looked the likely winner approaching the last, only to get it totally wrong when needing a big one. Jumping problems seemed to be ironed out at Donny the last day, and he certainly has a serious engine. Backed him NRNB at 16s. Think he the danger to Irving.
Report chief dan March 3, 2014 9:47 PM GMT
I still fancy Wicklow who ever rides, vautor is a good jumper an imo will make a better chaser next year just think he be done for toe as long as the lads don't give ruby an easy 10 length lead like last year!
Report harry callaghan March 3, 2014 11:50 PM GMT
interesting runner this gilgamboa...the time he ran in the ladbroke was very encouraging
Report sintonian March 7, 2014 1:45 PM GMT
Josses Hill a NR Sad
Report Ballydoyle March 7, 2014 1:55 PM GMT
Would concern me that Irving and Vautour didn't run in bumpers and are french bred. Got Vautour on side but Wicklow Brave fits every trend going.

Coming from a handicap are 0-53 since 1996 so Gigamboa and Splash of Ginge are out of my equation also.
Report GI MAC March 7, 2014 2:03 PM GMT
Unlucky Sint, what was the reason?
Report Tory March 7, 2014 2:36 PM GMT
WB has yet to run in a graded race so he does miss one trend Bally
Report Ballydoyle March 7, 2014 3:06 PM GMT
Ah so he does
Report sintonian March 7, 2014 3:51 PM GMT
Dont know GI.
Report SEATHESTARS....NO1 March 7, 2014 4:39 PM GMT
What trend does vautour miss please?

And, does it matter that the handicap Splash of Ginge comes from is a graded handicap, kinda says hes ran in a graded race dun it? A might be wrong but horses coming from the betfair hdl have a good record of placing in the supreme or at least running equally well without winning? At 25/1, he might surprise if a contenderConfused
Report Frankele March 8, 2014 9:06 PM GMT

Mar 7, 2014 -- 7:45AM, sintonian wrote:

Josses Hill a NR

is he or isn't he...

Report Frankele March 8, 2014 9:08 PM GMT

Mar 3, 2014 -- 3:25PM, chief dan wrote:

Im very sweet on Wicklow brave an ave backed it at good prices just looking at backing something else been looking at jp's horse gilgamboa some money for it today anyone like the looks of it his last run reads well but I didn't see the race any views on it people?

me too. like the look of Wicklow Brave, even better at 7/1... Gilgamboa could be worth a saver ..... the only other one I like is Splash Of Ginge but can't back it myself.. just going to stick with my win bet on WB

Report Tucho March 10, 2014 4:55 PM GMT
flip flopping favourites soon?
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