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corals
10 Jan 13 11:16
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Is he going back over hurdles if he is he's a machine.
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Report corals January 10, 2013 11:24 AM GMT
Looks like world hurdle but 10/1 seems skinny.
Report Brooksielad January 10, 2013 11:25 AM GMT
runs over 2 miles first by the sound of things. Judged by his beating of Rev de Sivola in the neptune a few years back I'd have to say he could run a race in the world hurdle.
Report booster January 10, 2013 9:57 PM GMT
Doesn't really have the profile of a Festival winner as he has no top class form for nearly 2 years. Save your money or give it to charity.
Report bluebirdfan January 11, 2013 8:19 PM GMT
Champion hurdle trial next week at Haydock
Report Swardean January 11, 2013 8:25 PM GMT
Yes was ready to race and declared for the 20f race at Chelt on New Years Day
Report wellchief January 11, 2013 8:26 PM GMT
Graham Cunninngham said on Sportinglife today that he expects Grandouet in that Haydock race as well; could be a cracker!
Report bluebirdfan January 14, 2013 8:29 PM GMT
It was reopened after only getting 7 entries
Report Fallen Angel January 15, 2013 9:04 AM GMT
Peddlers Cross, second to Hurricane Fly in the 2011 Champion Hurdle, is likely to be among the entries for Saturday's Champion Hurdle Trial at Haydock - from the racing post this morning
Report bluebirdfan January 16, 2013 3:26 PM GMT
He is indeed and also entered in the Champion Hurdle itself
Report wellchief January 16, 2013 8:04 PM GMT
Could seriously hinder plans for Peddlers if Haydock and Ascot are both called off on Saturday with the freezing temperatures and expected snow.

McCain could go for the Cleeve on Trials Day, but he did say he wanted a 2m race first.
Report Regular Fries January 23, 2013 12:16 PM GMT
Runs in a jumpers bumper at Kempton this Friday.
Report robbo69 January 23, 2013 12:24 PM GMT
Can this horse really be a festival winner? Another not appeared for 12 months only the might quevega can just turn up and win a poor race from that sort of break, clearly had problems.
Wont be the horse it once was after such a lay off, any price to win any race at the festival for me.
Report Ming_the_Merciless January 23, 2013 1:31 PM GMT
got to agree with you Robbo....
Report duffy January 23, 2013 2:14 PM GMT
call equiname, 14 months off before winning the victor chandler and then the queen mum.Happy
Report stevo1 January 23, 2013 4:26 PM GMT
What they gonna learn running in Bumper,complete joke imo.
Report alleged22 January 23, 2013 4:30 PM GMT
that he,s fit and well, after so long off you wouldnt want him running in a bog
Report alleged22 January 23, 2013 4:48 PM GMT
also there are extensive all weather gallops at bankside, so he will be used to the surface
Report stevo1 January 23, 2013 5:10 PM GMT
So they know he is fit and well, why not run in proper race if prep for Festival?
Report alleged22 January 23, 2013 5:13 PM GMT
id imagine they would want a couple of runs before the festival Wink
Report stevo1 January 23, 2013 5:32 PM GMT
Like this time last season,not sure if trainer knows which way to go with horse?
Report alleged22 January 23, 2013 5:41 PM GMT
totally agree mate, id like to see him in the contenders hurdle next, saying that though they may step him up and go WH route with BB out, as you say i dont think think the trainer really knows which way yet lol
Report wellchief January 23, 2013 6:08 PM GMT
Some higher profile ones have been using these bumpers in the last few years.  Oscar Whiskey, Tetlami and Kalahari King are a few off the top of my head.

Running Peddlers in one is a good idea imo.  Race sharpness on good ground on his first run in a long time, is better than a hurdle race in a bog imo.

It must be hard for McCain.  The horse is so versatile, he's got the speed for 2m and the stamina for 3m, similar to Oscar Whiskey.
Report duffy January 24, 2013 12:18 AM GMT
We're not talking about a horse that's been off the track for 3 years and they haven't got a clue as to whether he retains his ability or not.

He's been off the track for 10 months and I'd happily take it as read that he retains all of his hurdles ability, the horse didn't like fencing it's as simple as that, they just need to get him fit as they can and a bumper will help to do that, are they wondering whether he's still "got it", I'd very much doubt that they are giving it a moments thought.
Report robbo69 January 24, 2013 6:49 AM GMT
Didnt like fencing duffy? Jumped like a stag first twice and started odds on to beat SS 3rd time out?
Doesnt say much for his trainer (who i am a huge fan of) if hes had a horse for 3 or 4 years and doesnt know which way to go with him!!
Come on guys we are making up some pretty poor arguments here....Confused
Report buddeliea January 24, 2013 7:44 AM GMT
needs to be watched first time for sure,horse was shot to pieces end of last season.
Report sintonian January 24, 2013 11:10 AM GMT
Peddlers never jumped like a stage at all. He practically hurdles his fences hence why he is no longer running over them.

Given the abandonments running in a Bumper is a good idea just to get a run into him. He will most likely have a hurdles race after that in Feb, possibly the race he won at Kelso before running in the Champion Hurdle.

The Aintree Hurdle has increased prize money this year, over 20f, so it is possible that could be his main target.
Report robbo69 January 24, 2013 12:19 PM GMT
How many mistakes did he make in those to races at Bangor he won?
Plans were only changed for this horse when the worked ok he was no match for SS!!!!
Report wellchief January 24, 2013 4:57 PM GMT
Robbo, any good horse can jump like a stag in a mickey mouse small runner Bangor race were he can go at his own pace.

Jumping at championship pace, when he is put under pressure is completely different.

His run against Sprinter and in the Jewson made his jumping go to pot.  When he was over hurdles he thrived under pressure, and done his best work off the bridle, where over fences it was the exact opposite.

It has shown this season with Reve De Sivola and Bog Warrior, in that if a horse isn't enjoying fences, it makes no sense continuing.
Report wellchief January 24, 2013 4:57 PM GMT
* should say Reve and Bog look like different animals, now back over hurdles.
Report duffy January 24, 2013 11:45 PM GMT
In his bangor runs it was clear that he was never going to be living on the edge so to speak, jumping very low, like sint said above, he hurdled them.
Report duffy January 24, 2013 11:47 PM GMT
he was going to be living on the edge so to speak.....I should say.
Report festivalfanatic January 25, 2013 10:49 AM GMT
I reckon Donald's getting him ready for a summer jumping campaign in claiming hurdles....Mischief
Report SEATHESTARS....NO1 January 25, 2013 11:15 AM GMT
Has to be a play to lay the top two in the market at Kempton today. I will be backing megastar each way. Already a winner on the flat recently and at the prices has good place claims if the top two in the market do not have the desire to win a race with no obstacles to jump Wink
Report robbo69 January 25, 2013 11:31 AM GMT
That's the worse argument ive ever read, low and quick (hurdling for the less informed) is the quickest way from one side to the other. It was a first fence mistake against SS that put him out the race so the championship pace goes out the window to. The horse picked up it's injury most likely then too. Ran in another because it was a festival race. the horse was not right going into the race ala the great Kauto in last years GC, he was pulled up because of what happened schooling not what happened in that race.
Best mate maybe one of the best jumpers around was always low and fast at his fences, they dont have to jump like dessie to be a good!!!
Report tinkler January 25, 2013 4:04 PM GMT
Thought he looked a shadow of his former self today.
Report gutfeeling January 25, 2013 8:12 PM GMT
Went to the well once too often,Was his biggest fan but he'll never carry a penny of mine again..Shame.
Report festivalfanatic January 25, 2013 10:52 PM GMT
Out to 12/1 for the World Hurdle. I'm distinctly underwhelmed. No fackin chance.
Report the Inca January 25, 2013 11:50 PM GMT
All over it last year for arkle, horse is finished.  Was a great horse, won a great novice at the festival but gone now.
Report Glossy January 26, 2013 1:38 AM GMT
Jesus, are people really basing thoughts on his future career on a Kempton all weather run? He's a NATIONAL HUNT horse ffs. I thought we had some knowledgable people on here! Pay not attention to that run at all - I was surprised he placed!
Report duffy January 26, 2013 1:43 AM GMT
I'd have been much more worried about him if he hadn't gone a yard, he travelled into the race like much the best horse and then seemingly flattened out, don't know what connections have said post race but if it's anything along the lines of needing the race and got tired I'd be inclined to accept it as the manner of his run suggested that could be a viable reason.
Report Glossy January 26, 2013 1:49 AM GMT
It was a case of getting a run into a horse that doesn't want the bottomless ground on offer at the moment. If you are going to base future betting activity on that run you're in the wrong game IMO.
Report robbo69 January 26, 2013 8:08 AM GMT
Now now glossy, the horse has been out with injury, that said IF he retained his ablity he would as we all know have carried that lot!!!!
How much will you be having on him on his next NH race?
Report festivalfanatic January 26, 2013 9:22 AM GMT
Sam Winner beat him fair and square and he's hardly a speedster....being aimed at the Pertemps isn't he? PC ought to come on for the run but he'll need to, seeing as he's rated nearly 2 stone superior to the winner.
Report SEATHESTARS....NO1 January 26, 2013 11:54 AM GMT
It's a funny thing, comparing races with obstacles to jump to 'bumpers for jumpers' races. Erm, you just can't. I do alright backing in them sorts of races, (now for a spot of after timing as you guys put it) i backed 4 winners yesterday, though admit not SW but i could see why he was very back able! Basically i have found that a lot of national hunt horses lose their all round speed, it is that that wins flat races. I do not mean 'speed' i mean all round speed. I do hope you no what am saying without me trying to explain it.
Basically i look at these races, i look down the lists and i look for horses that have some flat form to their names, horses that have run on the flat is a bonus but if there are none, i look for horses that may still retain some flat speed and that possible can show it in short bursts, not your out and out NH horse shows speed over long distances such as half-1 mile stretches cos there is jumps to get over. (i hope i am making sense)
I backed megastar, on his flat form, i should have done the two of them but reason i didnt do SW was merely due to the above, i thought he poss had lost his ability to go flat out in a short burst, required for the flat imo. Looking back, he obv hasnt, his form when running close in that triumph hdl he showed good speed that day between the hurdles, something he had shown in the past. Peddlers and the other for me had never shown this, which is why i posted i will be laying the top 2 and backing megastar.

Like i said i hope i made some kind of sense. I love these jumpers for bumpers and wish the bad weather would continue as i really think from the last 3 meetings of them i have found a key to finding the winners. (and i only backing no more than 2 or 3 in a race when prices are right)
Report robbo69 January 27, 2013 8:29 AM GMT
sea
I like it and seems a logical way of finding winners.
While not being a huge player i prefer finding comeback horses from injury and laying them. Peddler and imperial yesterday, mind that ran a great race and made me sweat as i never trade just play my own opinion.
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