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Rock On Ruby Champion Hurdle winner 2013
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Thats sureky to do with Grandouet and Hurricane fly drifting though Sinty?
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Nothing to do with them Eboue. I said since Doncaster. One evening I was watching the market around 8pm (posted it on here) and his odds went from 8.2 to 7.6. LUMPS of money were going on. At that stage there were no negative vibes for Grandouet.
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ROR won on 4th Feb. At that stage Grandouet was expected to run in the Kingwell at Wincanton on the 16th. ROR has been very strong on here since the 4th.
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Maybe they've been trying blinkers for a few weeks?
Who knows, just 72 hrs to find out.   |
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best of luck
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Cracking run to be fair.
Thought he might be swallowed up by the other two going up the hill but stuck at it. No complaints and don't think the blinkers were an error. |
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Chuffed to bits with him, and was excited for a long way, just beaten by a great horse.
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I was especially pleased he stayed on as I was on money back if second
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Runs his guts out. Maybe Noel could have slowed the pace a little and saved a bit? Nonetheless confidence from connections was justified.
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Absolutely, he ran a cracker. Got to accept now how good HF is, he needed to be.
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Some peeps on twitter think he may have won with a more reserved ride though that was always going to be hard in first-time blinkers. He was leading all the way practically. Anywhoo.. HF obviously top class.
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He travelled like a monster, if he got a lead today with the sort of form he was in and save a little for turning n I reckon he'd have won in all honesty, quite frankly the 3 up front cut each others throat didn't they, HF couldn't go with them but was able to pick them up, ROR being able to battle on for 2nd gives himm huge credit, they've got to have another go next year.
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Ran a cracker.
Shame their wasnt someone who make the pace instead of ROR |
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rock on ruby took a breather from the third last let the fly back in the novice in the first went from the front a full 4 seconds quicker which is equal to 25lenghts anyone who thinks jockey went to hard on rock on ruby is off their heads or clueless from 200 yards from top of the hill rock is doin nutin he shud hav been slitin the troats of them behind gunin for it
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I agree with swordsone, I don't buy that they went too fast. He's got HF in trouble off a good, steady pace but lets him back in by just letting ROR lob along from before the third last down to the second last.
Instead he should have gradually upped the pace then piled it on coming down the hill all the way to the line. If he does that I think he breaks them all. |
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A very good effort from Fehily, and the risky decision to use blinkers certainly didn't hinder the horse. Given good ground and someone to make the pace, I reckon he would reverse the form again. I never thought last year was a fluke, but hopefully today's performance will silence those who thought it was.
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between the 2nd and 3rd hurdles ROR went 3 secs quicker than CF in the supreme, from there on in it was a sec either way between hurdles, the supreme caught up in the last part of the race, and ran from the last to the line about 3 secs quicker.
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interesting some of the points of views on here...
I personally didn't think it was a good ride from fehily... my question is pace and pace is what hindered the horse winning... I am certainly not saying he definitely would of won but the fractions fehily set were ridiculous and after fighting off every horse he had nothing left...zarkandar went with the choke out pace and payed himself you cannot set those fractions and hope to get home, the horse never got a breather it bares out in the times swordsone makes the point and calls people mugs but he obviously knows nothing about speed duels in racing the reason the time is slow swordsone is because of the pace and how slow the horses are finishing because they were so tired before 2 out they had gone so fast.. hurricane fly a horse not short of speed could not go the gallop being set by fehily and he didn't quicken he just kept on at the same pace because he wasn't involved in the speed duel up front as was countrywide flame rock on ruby for me ran the race of his life and we will never know how he would of fared under more restraint as he plugged on the whole way to the line...I don't like pocket talking but for me this was not a good ride and should not be given credit for. |
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HC - i'm sort of in agreement. Think Rock was the best horse on the day (pocket not talking as don't bet hurdles). Blinkers to me was a wrong decision - just fired him up too much.
I won't criticise NF as he's the best around generally and don't know how much was blinkers and orders that made him run too freely and how much was ill-judged. |
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I don't think he was suited by having to make his own pace and think they may have been scared into doing it by Hurricane Fly. A more reserved ride and I think he may have won. Shame O'Regan didn't make it if he thinks he was on a World Hurdle horse. That would have been almost a copy of last year's race.
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Rock on Ruby backers crying below. Just give credit when it's due, Fly is a superior horse. Trainer and Jockey said it.
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Looks to me like they are just discussing the race CV,and the ride of Fehily,whats wrong with that?
Sure they recognise that HF was the best horse on the day,but it is possible different ride could have provided a different result mate. As for being superior,i make it 1-1. |
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Think, bar one or 2, we all took our hat off to Hurricane Fly CV, seems a very positive thread on here, which is unusual. Certainly no issue, beaten by a very good winner.
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People saying if the race was run different you'd get a different result is bonkers tbh. If they went slower he'd have used his turn of foot. RoR did the best he could by going off as quick as he did and giving him the best possible chance. Fly is just different class. RoR's Jockey and trainer said it themselves.
As for 1-1 bud, yeah he beat a below par horse last year. If Fly was on song last year he'd have 3 Champion Hurdles now. Utterly no doubt about that. He's won 15 grade 1's. More than Istabraq. He has a win record better than him too. He's an utter superstar horse and he would have won on tuesday no matter what happened. Just accept that. |
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Too easy to say it in those terms. Congratulations for getting it right this year but a record of 1 victory each does not conclusively prove that any horse is superior to the other. Fry has learnt his PR from Nicholls and being magnanimous in defeat can only bring him good publicity. He also wouldn't't necessarily want anyone to attach any blame to himself or Family for their tactics on the day. It's also very possible that jockey tactics on the day have been responsible for each victory above any other factor.
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I thought the clock said it was a slow race again, I think the decision to put the blinkers on ROR was a reaction to no likely pace which didnt work out.
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i Think we have a new era of Champion hurdlers.... TNO MTOY and our conor
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It wasn't a slow race, well, apart from the end bit, between the 2nd and 3rd hurdles up hill, fehily put the hammer down and went a full 3 secs quicker than the supreme, that killed them late on and walsh that kept an even pace through-out towed them to a faster time.
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Spot on Booster imo.
1 victory each certainly proves nothing conclusively when talking superiority. During the race ROR looked far superior,HF being scrubbed along and looked beaten.Had ROR had a horse towing him along i honestly think he would have won again. He had to make his own running,and just used a bit too much in doing that.He still beat some good horses despite that,but Ruby had a proper stayer and got it right with the pace of the race,but he would certainly have been worried during the race,and had Fehily been as accurate as Ruby it may well have been different result. End of the day though,HF won well and has proved hes a goodun alright. As for Istabraq,pointless comparing them really,but im pretty sure He would have beaten Solwhit and TS pretty comfortably. |
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ROR,HF and Grandouet all head to Punchestown next. In all honesty I would not want to back ROR in that as he disappointed after the CH last year at Aintree, albeit over 20f, and he really ran his guts out on Tuesday. Grandouet fell and has had a troubled prep but he did win a G1 novice hurdle in Punchestown a couple of years back and will be fresher than the other two, i'd probably side with him, prices depending.
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Yeh,twice hes not ran his race at Aintree.
Hes a horse i would certainly not back in a race after the festival. |
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And Rooster Booster, on the day he won his Champion Hurdle, would probably have beaten them all 5 lengths. Hypothetical i know but folly to say who'd win on their best form as part of being a great horse is to show your best on every big occasion and I'd venture that the first 2 in the race are very good but neither great. Rock On Ruby's form post Cheltenham would put anyone off backing him and Grandouet's had enough chances now, surely.
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Grandouet has only had a handful of runs since his novice days and is still a very young horse. Was going very well when he came down Tuesday, still has a big future.
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Any word from Harry Fry re. next years plan?
Surely they will think twice about going chasing as he beat all bar Hurricane Fly this year while having to make his own pace. The Fly could be past it in 2014. MTOY will be outbattled by ROR for sure and The New One and Our Conor have plenty to prove still. 27.0 to back for the Champion Hurdle...worth a few quid? |
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It's 1-1 each
Oh have off you lot. Fly was undoubtably, as in without ANY doubt not at his best last year. He had problems and never ran like he can. This season he was back to his best. I could give your views a bit of consideration if the Champion Hurdle was a close race, but it wasn't. Rock on Ruby was headed at the 2nd last and was quickly 3l behind and made no impression at all after that. Fly has won 15 grade 1's. Rock on Ruby has won 1. That's ONE. Rock on Ruby is a good horse, but is not in Hurricane Flys league. The end. |
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when the fly hoses in by even more distance next month, what then for ROR?
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Same people who said Fly trying to regain the Champion Hurdle at the age of 9 was not gonna happen, will back him. Contradicting themselves
Think next year is between Our Conor, MTOY, Jezki & TNO. Won't forget CWF who ran a blinder as a 5yo. Think RoR goes chasing Fry said. They'll decide that in the summer though. 9yo Arkle winner though, nah wouldn't be keen. |
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So ROR came 2nd to a great horse, no fook off cvb.
Stop being a teenager on this fred and go and gloat on the HF fred. |
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I think, I'll tell you to go fck yourself on this thread, Sonko.
Go fck yourself. |
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People mocked a horse, for years and lacked the credibility to say they were wrong.
Those people are pathetic c^nts. |