Paddy Power Weekend Meeting Thread (16/11/12-18/11/12)

Just to note for those that may have missed it, there's a good thread on the feature race running on the Antepost board.

Cheers stront, hadn't seen that. Best keep this as discussion on the meet as a whole then.

Dynaste is starting off very highly tomorrow, taking on Fingal Bay in the big novice chase. The novice hurdle looks a good race as well, as does the 2m handicap. Good card tomorrow

Decs been made yet?

Yep

First race is a cracker - hard to imagine a more competitive 5 runner novice chase!

Novice hurdle looks a decent race too.

The rest of it doesn't fill me with huge excitement.

I agree with you FF, though I'd go further and say the novice hurdle also looks a belter.

At least the rest of the card looks competetive, if not inspiring.

Any experts want to tell me what will win the XC?

I believe AP is riding Its a Gimme! Amazed at that tbh, even if it is because they will put a claimer on darlan.

Forget that... still deciding. I misread my text!

IAG was very impressive at Ascot last weekend and is a few pounds well in now. I don't buy all the Darlan hype.

I'm unsure to be honest stront. I think Darlan is potentially top class and I definitely think he's better than Its a Gimme. But 11lb's isnt to be sniffed at.

To be honest, Im really surprised this is the plan with IAG. Thought he'd have a few quiet runs to get himself a nice mark for a race for the festival.

Darlan might be top class but the signs are very bad for the Supreme form so far and Darlan looks worse at Cheltenham than elsewhere to me. He really struggled at the December meeting last year, though tbf he must have improved radically to come second in the Supreme. 5/2 looks way too short in a race with some good handicappers and some unexposed/progressive types off low weights.

Hi CCM - do you know what the reason for Cash and Go's bad scope was after the Deloitte ?

Thats a very fair point about him at Chelts. He has certainly looked better suited to flat tracks.

I dont see that much strength in depth myself. I think its too early to write the Supreme off yet, and I think it will end up being decent form. Not vintage but good enough for him to go close in this field.

Hi Liam. yes it was just some mucus, nothing major.

Cheers CCM

definitely think the handicap hurdle is far more competitive than many think, plenty unexposed and the Irish are difficult to assess

extremely tricky race and I can see it being similar to last year with a whole bunch in contention jumping 2 out and a massive charge to the line where some luck will be required (like Moon Dice last year got stopped up the rail and had to switch, lost many lengths)

tough race really

I'l be in the Plaisterers (winchcombe) around 10.30 sampling some of the finest black stuff this country has to offer (certainly better than the shyte they serve on track) !

Don't forget it's on C4 on each of the 3 days

I'm really hoping Grands Crus wins the PP GC. If he can't manage it then I'm hoping my fave mare of the moment  Nadiya De La Vega can win.

I'm so excited. I love this meeting

hi Sue

surely you will be cheering on AP won't you?

I will be looking at Ruby and BG

Uncle J wins X country

"surely you will be cheering on AP won't you?"

Hi Rick,

I adore Grands Crus and love it when the Pipe's win this race.
Has David Pipe won it yet? I'm sure he must have done, I can't remember

I'm hoping AP is going to ride NDLV. Do we know yet?

I hope you have a great 3 days. I'll be here for the duration

Maybe this is the time to catch Kid Cassidy after his...er..."effort" last time at Aintree.

Makybe, Great Endeavour won it for David last year. I'm very hopeful Grands Crus will do the job this time round. Not the best price but potentially very well in if you still believe in him like I do. I've backed him for this and the KG so fingers crossed he's back to his best.

she doesn't bet Resnar, she's just soppy for horses

Can't for the life of me see how Dynaste's price is just a couple of ticks higher than that of Fingal Bay. Think some see that it's one of Pipe's and a grey at that; and start making lazy comparisons with Grand Crus when the 2 horses form in staying hurdles is not really comparable. On his first time over fences, couldn't back him at that price in a million years.

I know there was some debate about how impressive Fingal Bay was on his chasing bow but I was very taken by his jumping and fully expect him to win this race fairly comfortably, though just doing enough; as is the Fingal way

Agree 100%. Anybody backing Dynaste at 15/8 needs therapy.

could be worth laying in the place market then fellas at around 1.5

seem to remember he is a hard puller and that won't help round there on chase debut

Tiger o'toole didn't exactly frank the form NTO for Fingal Bay. I'd take a chance on the Nicholls horse at the prices.

Wouldn't worry too much about the form not being franked. Fingal isn't the type to dish out massive beatings. Just does enough to win.

did the Nicholls horse only jump 4 fences LTO or did they jump 10/16? Bit of a farce of a race if they only jumped 4!

2.35 looks a fascinating race. One horse I think is a tad short is run with the wind. Favourite sets a decent standard but very interested to see how Tominator gets on given he gave weight and a beating to triumph winner o the flat.

in the amateur riders, Venetia runs Pentific with Will Biddick riding

if he can reproduce his effort at Doncaster a few runs ago he can go close, 12.5 looks good enough for a back to lay

interesting the negativity on here about dynaste looked to always be a chaser in the making to me...i can see him destroying these if getting into a rhythm on the easy lead and also getting 5lbs off of fingal bay who wasn't impressive first time up but is obviously entitled to improve and is respected...

its a gimme wasnt that far off the best in novice hurdles last year,would have went very close at aintree but for bad mistake,thrown in on sunday and will only get better over a trip!

'thrown in' is a bit strong seeing he was beaten off 5lb lower last time out

Agree re Pentiffic judo.

Close House in whichever race he goes for

"Can't for the life of me see how Dynaste's price is just a couple of ticks higher than that of Fingal Bay."

"Agree 100%. Anybody backing Dynaste at 15/8 needs therapy."

There's a perfectly good case to be made for backing Dynaste today without making "lazy comparisons with Grands Crus" - rated 13lbs better than the fav over hurdles, receives 5lbs today, goes well fresh, trainer tends to target this meeting, the form of Fingal Bay's chase win let down since - and insulting his backers as in need of therapy is a bit much. FB might win but he's a short-priced fav to do so.

I think Dynaste is rated too high over hurdles due to running against Big Bucks. Should be closer to 150. That being said I wouldn't be writing this horse off as the favourite still has it to prove over fences.

It's A Gimme not running on Sunday Cufcno1

"Makybe, Great Endeavour won it for David last year. I'm very hopeful Grands Crus will do the job this time round"

Thanks resner. Goodness how could I have not remembered that I worry about myself sometimes.

Very very sad that Great Endeeavour is no longer with us.

Yes, like Rick said I don't bet. Well, I don't make a habit of it, let's put it like that.
I did have a dabble last year at Cheltenham, for the very first time. It wan't a good experience

I'm glad you're keen on Grands Crus. I'm fully expecting him to win

It looks a brilliant race. I see Forpadydeplaterer is running and is only 10 years old. He seems to have been around for ever! I think he could run well.

Pleased that AP is on Nadiya I've a feeling he's got a soft spot for that mare

I just hope they all come back safe.

no pace on

well an impressive performance but there was no real gallop on and it turned into a bit of a sprint

well that was nice...he is a weapon...nice start to the jump campaign

Slow pace,Getting 5lbs..I'd expect a turn around if they both go to the RSA..Well done all those on the winner.

Well done Tom and Dynaste!

I've been a big fan of Tom Scudamore for a long time.

I'm very happy for him that he is getting such good horses to ride.

Kid Cassidy was one of the horses that was electrocuted in that awful incident at Newbury.

I don't realise that.

Come on Kid Cassidy!

didn't*

Well, didn't really see that happening. Puts big questions as to whether Fingal Bay is the horse that we thought he was.

How disappointing was Tominator?! He was looking well up for it before the race.

well it seems slow run races are going to be the order of the meeting

ye agree judo ground looks very holding to me...like jamsie hall later if your interested

Having a mare of an afternoon in the forum competition

My only hope left is Swing Bill.

going gone against Pentific I fear

WD Sue lovely old boy Swing Bill!

pretty poor day of racing, the only one worth taking being Dynaste with an honourable mention to Court Minstrel

Thanks Rick!

Didn't watch the race, I've only just seen the result.

I had really good vibes about that horse today.

Well done Swing Bill and thank you

See you tomorrow x

Uncle Junior

33/1 looks big for Poquelin given he's back down to his last winning mark over CD and is an easy winner over CD on soft ground albeit off a lower mark. I don't understand how he is a longer price than Calgary Bay for example.

TEAFORTHREE 1.55

With the ease in the going and with the jockey claiming a massive 10lbs, this horse surely has a huge chance, beat Harry the Viking fair and square at levels yet will carry 6lb less today

currently 10 to back which is massive

i see your angle judo but for me the creature has always needed his first start back...a watching brief is advised here for me...off a mark which is high enough for his first start back...the welsh national is the aim and i don't think they will want to damage his mark anymore

will be trading out for an even green at 4 Harry mate

fair play judo got a wedding so be lucky

Sprinter Sacre not running tomorrow due to the ground. Fair enough probably much bigger targets to come. Disappointing for those who were hoping to see him though.

Could be the first of a few to be pulled out...

Anyone else still feeling deaf from th sound of bubbles being burst?

Tell me this folks: I backed a horse for the RP Hurdle yesterday afternoon. Would I be right in presuming Rule 4's will effect his price should he come in?

yes.

Great Thanks stront

That's pretty much the way I feel about it too. Didn't fancy Darlan so it's a pain for me he's taken a big chunk out of my bets.

Hopefully there won't be any further non runners so.