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By:
strontium
When: 31 Oct 12 16:33
Saver material for me if he runs and the ground's right.

Diamond Harry is interesitng off his mark if it's his reappearence race.

Others may follow once I've got my bets on Grin
By:
shockster
When: 31 Oct 12 17:51
Agree totally re DH.  If he runs Sat though I doubt he'll run in this unless he comes down early.  If he wins Sat, Handicap mark ruined and a bad run means prob won't run anyway.

At least we'll get a proper market now.
By:
buddeliea
When: 01 Nov 12 13:45
Ah,Diamond Harry,the horse that can do no wrong.

Has their ever been a more hyped horse?
By:
buddeliea
When: 01 Nov 12 13:46
Grand Crus maybe??
By:
strontium
When: 01 Nov 12 14:01
Cheeky Laugh
By:
buddeliea
When: 01 Nov 12 14:08
Laugh

Seriously though Stront,hes always being talked up on here,but over jumps hes won one decent race,yes it was the Hennessey,fair enough,but he was getting best part of 2 stone from the only real decent horse in the race!! And how long ago was that??

Now hes either pulled up or finishes well down the field,yet still hes touted!!
By:
strontium
When: 01 Nov 12 14:12
Autumn, flat track, soft ground, first time out is when he's at his best though - I understand why people are keen on him for the Charlie Hall (which doesn't look a very strong race).

I'd consider backing him first time out in the Hennessey off 151 at a price.

His Hennessey win was pretty good - he beat the all time great Denman by a long way (getting lumps of weight) and beat the very decent Burton Port off levels.

The question for me is whether the injury he then sustained finished him off. I suspect it probably did, but I would be prepared to give him one more chance at the right price.
By:
buddeliea
When: 01 Nov 12 17:31
Yeh,i get the Autumn,Flat track,soft ground bit,and hes been good in the past with that.
But last season?? Werent good mate,and i think hes told us hes had it.
Hope im wrong though,and good luck if you back him.
By:
strontium
When: 01 Nov 12 17:48
I won't back him on Saturday and I won't back him at Newbury unless it's his first run of the season.
By:
shockster
When: 01 Nov 12 18:01
If he runs Saturday I will back him (price dependent).  But like Stront will give Hennessy a wide berth if he runs at Wetherby.  However, if he misses Sat and is running off 151 at Newbury having won off 156, I find it hard not to be interested.
By:
strontium
When: 01 Nov 12 18:13
That's pretty much the way I see it, assuming a decent price at Newbury.
By:
buddeliea
When: 01 Nov 12 18:13
Yep,i guess the price might get one forgetting last seasons performance.Best be a big one though.

Yes hes off a better mark in the Hennessey,but his form last season really does not scream big race winner.

Still he may come back to his Hennessey form,never know.
By:
strontium
When: 02 Nov 12 12:57
Diamond Harry not declared at Wetherby after suffering a minor setback [SHOCK!]. May go to Wincanton next week or straight to the Hennessey (or, presumably, neither as and when he has a couple more minor setbacks).
By:
buddeliea
When: 02 Nov 12 18:00
Has to be a bet on the day horse now-hes become unreliable,and even thats dodgy after last season!!

Still,the bookies should act accordingly and price him up sensibly.
By:
shockster
When: 14 Nov 12 13:28
Hennessy Weights.


NO.    HORSE    AGE    WGT    TRAINER RTF%    JOCKEY    OR    TS    RPR
2/242-    Burton Port233    8    11-12    Nicky Henderson         166    160    173
2541-1    Tidal Bay28    11    11-12    Paul Nicholls         166    146    172
13PF-    Weird Al231    9    11-10    Donald McCain         164    —    —
72142-    The Giant Bolster260    7    11-10    David Bridgwater         164    166    176
27F7-1    Kauto Stone28    6    11-8    Paul Nicholls         162    118    172
2887-1    Roberto Goldback28    10    11-8    Nicky Henderson         162    129    168
1321-    Bobs Worth262      7    11-6    Nicky Henderson         160    163    174
223-42    First Lieutenant28    7    11-5    M F Morris         159    149    174
85110-    Calgary Bay231    9    11-4    Mick Channon         158    152    171
11P2-1    Cristal Bonus28    6    11-3    Paul Nicholls         157    142    168
61114-    Grands Crus262      7    11-3    David Pipe         157    170    179
21/46-    Ballabriggs231    11    11-2    Donald McCain         156    169    170
5145-4    Time For Rupert28      8    11-1    Paul Webber         155    170    177
82FP-    Junior224    9    11-1    David Pipe         155    145    174
02175-    Quantitativeeasing217      7    11-1    Nicky Henderson         155    165    170
230-5    Planet Of Sound28      10    10-12    Philip Hobbs         152    157    172
P47P-2    Wayward Prince28    8    10-10    Hilary Parrott         150    139    170
110-3    Hold On Julio42    9    10-8    Alan King         148    150    174
18511-    Lion Na Bearnai236    10    10-8    Thomas Gibney         148    94    173
11P3-7    Join Together28    7    10-8    Paul Nicholls         148    156    176
11229-    Shakalakaboomboom231      8    10-8    Nicky Henderson         148    158    173
715U-    Tatenen231    8    10-7    Richard Rowe         147    157    171
1P09-L    Carruthers42      9    10-7    Mark Bradstock         147    132    136
55/4-1    The Package21      9    10-7    David Pipe         147    149    171
21P11-    Teaforthree262    8    10-6    Rebecca Curtis         146    165    175
P0O1-1    Balthazar King42    8    10-6    Philip Hobbs         146    157    171
24U01-    Saint Are231    6    10-5    Tim Vaughan         145    144    171
6050-6    Tartak42      9    10-5    Tim Vaughan         145    165    175
1325-0    Fruity O´Rooney42    9    10-5    Gary Moore         145    157    174
80-614    Muirhead37    9    10-4    Noel Meade         144    150    155
1211-    Problema Tic224    6    10-4    David Pipe         144    146    172
0P1-2    Michel Le Bon21      9    10-4    Paul Nicholls         144    142    174
2511-2    Duke Of Lucca28      7    10-4    Philip Hobbs         144    144    170
121P-    Giles Cross231    10    10-4    Victor Dartnall         144    155    173
6PP-52    Magnanimity44    8    10-3    D T Hughes         143    148    177
45PP-P    Diamond Harry21      9    10-3    Nick Williams         143    166    179
P1FP-3    West End Rocker21      10    10-2    Alan King         142    172    181
2/1-3P    Ace High28      8    10-2    Victor Dartnall         142    118    175
411-05    Cape Tribulation28    8    10-2    Malcolm Jefferson         142    137    167
1112P-    Harry The Viking224      7    10-2    Paul Nicholls         142    158    175
21P-P    Zarrafakt21      8    10-2    Emma Lavelle         142    99    181
211P-4    Ikorodu Road30      9    10-1    Matt Sheppard         141    154    170
3P9-42    Galaxy Rock42    8    10-1    Jonjo O´Neill         141    150    173
21U-4F    Frisco Depot28    8    10-1    Charlie Longsdon         141    149    176
P11-F7    Darna29    6    10-0    Kim Bailey         140    142    172
1/21B-    Soll262    7    9-13    Jo Hughes         139    144    170
1235-3    Alfie Spinner28      7    9-12    Nick Williams         138    153    173
345-34    Fair Along28      10    9-9    Philip Hobbs         135    143    174
1F01-9    Baile Anrai28    8    9-7    Ian Williams         133    128    171
0/90-1    Away We Go39    9    9-1    W P Mullins         127    —    —
408-44    Vino Griego20    7    8-13    Gary Moore         125    140    162
29P112    Bundle Of Fun27      9    8-12    W P Mullins         124    138    161
Spread Betting
By:
shockster
When: 14 Nov 12 13:30
Diamond Harry 143 if you dare. I daredn'tShocked
By:
strontium
When: 14 Nov 12 14:06
Not now! Have dodged a bullet I feel Plain

T43 has a lovely racing weight and could be staying on to pick up the pieces.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 14 Nov 12 15:59
I was hoping Restless Harry would get an entry, i know his jumping isnt brilliant but his form wasnt that bad.
By:
stevo1
When: 14 Nov 12 16:55
Hold on Julio if you forget his Festival run when not right could be well in imo.
By:
dtamutants
When: 14 Nov 12 17:58
Saint Are for me. Took some 25s earlier today, which I see is now gone, so I'd imagine it will be the pricewise tomorrow?
By:
bluebirdfan
When: 14 Nov 12 18:30
I can see the Package being pricewise
By:
wellchief
When: 14 Nov 12 18:40
Shakalakaboomboom for me if he runs.  Nice weight of 10st 8 (a mark of 148), and travelled really smoothly for 95% of the National and just didn't get home.

I've got a feeling that between us, we'll put up about 15 different selections Grin
By:
shockster
When: 24 Nov 12 21:35
Only a week to go.  Tidal Bay????  Bobsworth looks solid, but Alfie Spinner and Duke of Lucca are well weighted IMO.
By:
harry callaghan
When: 25 Nov 12 06:00
Replies: 142
strontium

strontium
31 Oct 12 16:33
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Saver material for me if he runs and the ground's right.

Diamond Harry is interesitng off his mark if it's his reappearence race.

Others may follow once I've got my bets on Grin




I'll crack the jokes....the horse is a corpse










another brilliant thread on betfair full of insight and a real look at the hennessy cognac gold cup....just great can't wait to post...a 4 page thread full of daily sport comments just fantastic.... do not know where to start..... we can all learn from this, that is for sure...lol...lets start with alfie spinner a non runner?? or even teeforthree also a non runner or weird al...am confused cause its so interesting....

I can see why if you post comments everyday you can get up to 3000 replies/comments worthless....thats my goal..really want to get there....just want to be in the gang

any ideas on worthless comments to build my replies?????????brilliant just want to be up there on the score sheets...

if you get there you are respected right???

how do I go about doing it???

love to be in the daily sport gang thats all...

cracks me up a forum with no insight...4 pages of dross

can't wait to read howdis next thread...

let me guess...paul jones insight into the hennessy or graham cunninghams last poo and how he left skids on the pan...i wait with bated breath...
By:
shockster
When: 25 Nov 12 11:11
LOLLaugh.  Another reply for me.
By:
sageform
When: 25 Nov 12 15:36
Just had a look at the entries and my 3 provisional choices are Burton Port, First Lieutenant and Michel le Bon.
By:
Howdi
When: 25 Nov 12 15:41
I think Bobs Worth looks a price to me no depth and dissapointing list imo.
By:
shockster
When: 26 Nov 12 13:05
Nice to see 2 out of 3 of Harry Callaghans selections on his own thread are NON RUNNERS. Wonderful insight. Laugh
By:
gutfeeling
When: 26 Nov 12 14:42
For anyone who likes these kind of field narrowing statistical angles,

10 out of 10 winners had won a race at class 2 or higher over fences.
9 out of 10 winners had run in 3 or fewer handicap chases.
9 out of 10 winners had won over 3m1f+.
9 out of 10 winners had finished in the first two on their last completed start.
8 out of 10 winners had won a graded/listed chase.
8 out of 10 winners had won at least 50% of their chase starts.
7 out of 10 winners had run 3 to 6 times over fences.
7 out of 10 winners were second season chasers.
7 out of 10 winners were Irish bred with two being British and one French.
Running Style
9 of the last 10 winners, including the last 7, raced with the leaders throughout.
Trainers
Paul Nicholls has had 3 winners and 6 placed horses in the past 8 years from 22 runners.
Price
7 of the last 8 winners were sent off at 10/1 or shorter.
6 of the last 8 winners have been in the first 3 in the betting.
Conclusion
Based on the last 10 years the following trends are worth bearing in mind:
A horse aged 6 or 7
A horse with an official rating between 150 and 158
A horse carrying 11-0+ but not necessarily relevant this year
A horse that had won a race at class 2 or higher over fences at 3m1f+
A horse that had run 3 to 6 times over fences, winning at least half
A horse that had run in 3 or fewer handicap chases
A horse that had finished in the first two last time out
A horse that was bred in Ireland
A horse that races prominently and is 10/1 or shorter
By:
shockster
When: 26 Nov 12 16:35
Paul Nicholls on his Hennessy Gold Cup duo: “Tidal Bay definitely runs, and we'll be keeping an eye on the weather for Harry The Viking.”
By:
Howdi
When: 02 Dec 12 18:27
harr you have the game by the balls pal Laugh
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