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Saver material for me if he runs and the ground's right.
Diamond Harry is interesitng off his mark if it's his reappearence race. Others may follow once I've got my bets on ![]() |
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Agree totally re DH. If he runs Sat though I doubt he'll run in this unless he comes down early. If he wins Sat, Handicap mark ruined and a bad run means prob won't run anyway.
At least we'll get a proper market now. |
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Ah,Diamond Harry,the horse that can do no wrong.
Has their ever been a more hyped horse? |
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Grand Crus maybe??
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Cheeky
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![]() Seriously though Stront,hes always being talked up on here,but over jumps hes won one decent race,yes it was the Hennessey,fair enough,but he was getting best part of 2 stone from the only real decent horse in the race!! And how long ago was that?? Now hes either pulled up or finishes well down the field,yet still hes touted!! |
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Autumn, flat track, soft ground, first time out is when he's at his best though - I understand why people are keen on him for the Charlie Hall (which doesn't look a very strong race).
I'd consider backing him first time out in the Hennessey off 151 at a price. His Hennessey win was pretty good - he beat the all time great Denman by a long way (getting lumps of weight) and beat the very decent Burton Port off levels. The question for me is whether the injury he then sustained finished him off. I suspect it probably did, but I would be prepared to give him one more chance at the right price. |
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Yeh,i get the Autumn,Flat track,soft ground bit,and hes been good in the past with that.
But last season?? Werent good mate,and i think hes told us hes had it. Hope im wrong though,and good luck if you back him. |
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I won't back him on Saturday and I won't back him at Newbury unless it's his first run of the season.
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If he runs Saturday I will back him (price dependent). But like Stront will give Hennessy a wide berth if he runs at Wetherby. However, if he misses Sat and is running off 151 at Newbury having won off 156, I find it hard not to be interested.
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That's pretty much the way I see it, assuming a decent price at Newbury.
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Yep,i guess the price might get one forgetting last seasons performance.Best be a big one though.
Yes hes off a better mark in the Hennessey,but his form last season really does not scream big race winner. Still he may come back to his Hennessey form,never know. |
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Diamond Harry not declared at Wetherby after suffering a minor setback [SHOCK!]. May go to Wincanton next week or straight to the Hennessey (or, presumably, neither as and when he has a couple more minor setbacks).
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Has to be a bet on the day horse now-hes become unreliable,and even thats dodgy after last season!!
Still,the bookies should act accordingly and price him up sensibly. |
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Hennessy Weights.
NO. HORSE AGE WGT TRAINER RTF% JOCKEY OR TS RPR 2/242- Burton Port233 8 11-12 Nicky Henderson 166 160 173 2541-1 Tidal Bay28 11 11-12 Paul Nicholls 166 146 172 13PF- Weird Al231 9 11-10 Donald McCain 164 — — 72142- The Giant Bolster260 7 11-10 David Bridgwater 164 166 176 27F7-1 Kauto Stone28 6 11-8 Paul Nicholls 162 118 172 2887-1 Roberto Goldback28 10 11-8 Nicky Henderson 162 129 168 1321- Bobs Worth262 7 11-6 Nicky Henderson 160 163 174 223-42 First Lieutenant28 7 11-5 M F Morris 159 149 174 85110- Calgary Bay231 9 11-4 Mick Channon 158 152 171 11P2-1 Cristal Bonus28 6 11-3 Paul Nicholls 157 142 168 61114- Grands Crus262 7 11-3 David Pipe 157 170 179 21/46- Ballabriggs231 11 11-2 Donald McCain 156 169 170 5145-4 Time For Rupert28 8 11-1 Paul Webber 155 170 177 82FP- Junior224 9 11-1 David Pipe 155 145 174 02175- Quantitativeeasing217 7 11-1 Nicky Henderson 155 165 170 230-5 Planet Of Sound28 10 10-12 Philip Hobbs 152 157 172 P47P-2 Wayward Prince28 8 10-10 Hilary Parrott 150 139 170 110-3 Hold On Julio42 9 10-8 Alan King 148 150 174 18511- Lion Na Bearnai236 10 10-8 Thomas Gibney 148 94 173 11P3-7 Join Together28 7 10-8 Paul Nicholls 148 156 176 11229- Shakalakaboomboom231 8 10-8 Nicky Henderson 148 158 173 715U- Tatenen231 8 10-7 Richard Rowe 147 157 171 1P09-L Carruthers42 9 10-7 Mark Bradstock 147 132 136 55/4-1 The Package21 9 10-7 David Pipe 147 149 171 21P11- Teaforthree262 8 10-6 Rebecca Curtis 146 165 175 P0O1-1 Balthazar King42 8 10-6 Philip Hobbs 146 157 171 24U01- Saint Are231 6 10-5 Tim Vaughan 145 144 171 6050-6 Tartak42 9 10-5 Tim Vaughan 145 165 175 1325-0 Fruity O´Rooney42 9 10-5 Gary Moore 145 157 174 80-614 Muirhead37 9 10-4 Noel Meade 144 150 155 1211- Problema Tic224 6 10-4 David Pipe 144 146 172 0P1-2 Michel Le Bon21 9 10-4 Paul Nicholls 144 142 174 2511-2 Duke Of Lucca28 7 10-4 Philip Hobbs 144 144 170 121P- Giles Cross231 10 10-4 Victor Dartnall 144 155 173 6PP-52 Magnanimity44 8 10-3 D T Hughes 143 148 177 45PP-P Diamond Harry21 9 10-3 Nick Williams 143 166 179 P1FP-3 West End Rocker21 10 10-2 Alan King 142 172 181 2/1-3P Ace High28 8 10-2 Victor Dartnall 142 118 175 411-05 Cape Tribulation28 8 10-2 Malcolm Jefferson 142 137 167 1112P- Harry The Viking224 7 10-2 Paul Nicholls 142 158 175 21P-P Zarrafakt21 8 10-2 Emma Lavelle 142 99 181 211P-4 Ikorodu Road30 9 10-1 Matt Sheppard 141 154 170 3P9-42 Galaxy Rock42 8 10-1 Jonjo O´Neill 141 150 173 21U-4F Frisco Depot28 8 10-1 Charlie Longsdon 141 149 176 P11-F7 Darna29 6 10-0 Kim Bailey 140 142 172 1/21B- Soll262 7 9-13 Jo Hughes 139 144 170 1235-3 Alfie Spinner28 7 9-12 Nick Williams 138 153 173 345-34 Fair Along28 10 9-9 Philip Hobbs 135 143 174 1F01-9 Baile Anrai28 8 9-7 Ian Williams 133 128 171 0/90-1 Away We Go39 9 9-1 W P Mullins 127 — — 408-44 Vino Griego20 7 8-13 Gary Moore 125 140 162 29P112 Bundle Of Fun27 9 8-12 W P Mullins 124 138 161 Spread Betting |
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Diamond Harry 143 if you dare. I daredn't
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Not now! Have dodged a bullet I feel
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I was hoping Restless Harry would get an entry, i know his jumping isnt brilliant but his form wasnt that bad.
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Hold on Julio if you forget his Festival run when not right could be well in imo.
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Saint Are for me. Took some 25s earlier today, which I see is now gone, so I'd imagine it will be the pricewise tomorrow?
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I can see the Package being pricewise
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Shakalakaboomboom for me if he runs. Nice weight of 10st 8 (a mark of 148), and travelled really smoothly for 95% of the National and just didn't get home.
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Only a week to go. Tidal Bay???? Bobsworth looks solid, but Alfie Spinner and Duke of Lucca are well weighted IMO.
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strontium strontium 31 Oct 12 16:33 Joined: 21 Sep 05 | Topic/replies: 3,216 | Blogger: strontium's blog Saver material for me if he runs and the ground's right. Diamond Harry is interesitng off his mark if it's his reappearence race. Others may follow once I've got my bets on ![]() I'll crack the jokes....the horse is a corpse another brilliant thread on betfair full of insight and a real look at the hennessy cognac gold cup....just great can't wait to post...a 4 page thread full of daily sport comments just fantastic.... do not know where to start..... we can all learn from this, that is for sure...lol...lets start with alfie spinner a non runner?? or even teeforthree also a non runner or weird al...am confused cause its so interesting.... I can see why if you post comments everyday you can get up to 3000 replies/comments worthless....thats my goal..really want to get there....just want to be in the gang any ideas on worthless comments to build my replies?????????brilliant just want to be up there on the score sheets... if you get there you are respected right??? how do I go about doing it??? love to be in the daily sport gang thats all... cracks me up a forum with no insight...4 pages of dross can't wait to read howdis next thread... let me guess...paul jones insight into the hennessy or graham cunninghams last poo and how he left skids on the pan...i wait with bated breath... |
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LOL
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Just had a look at the entries and my 3 provisional choices are Burton Port, First Lieutenant and Michel le Bon.
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I think Bobs Worth looks a price to me no depth and dissapointing list imo.
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Nice to see 2 out of 3 of Harry Callaghans selections on his own thread are NON RUNNERS. Wonderful insight.
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For anyone who likes these kind of field narrowing statistical angles,
10 out of 10 winners had won a race at class 2 or higher over fences. 9 out of 10 winners had run in 3 or fewer handicap chases. 9 out of 10 winners had won over 3m1f+. 9 out of 10 winners had finished in the first two on their last completed start. 8 out of 10 winners had won a graded/listed chase. 8 out of 10 winners had won at least 50% of their chase starts. 7 out of 10 winners had run 3 to 6 times over fences. 7 out of 10 winners were second season chasers. 7 out of 10 winners were Irish bred with two being British and one French. Running Style 9 of the last 10 winners, including the last 7, raced with the leaders throughout. Trainers Paul Nicholls has had 3 winners and 6 placed horses in the past 8 years from 22 runners. Price 7 of the last 8 winners were sent off at 10/1 or shorter. 6 of the last 8 winners have been in the first 3 in the betting. Conclusion Based on the last 10 years the following trends are worth bearing in mind: A horse aged 6 or 7 A horse with an official rating between 150 and 158 A horse carrying 11-0+ but not necessarily relevant this year A horse that had won a race at class 2 or higher over fences at 3m1f+ A horse that had run 3 to 6 times over fences, winning at least half A horse that had run in 3 or fewer handicap chases A horse that had finished in the first two last time out A horse that was bred in Ireland A horse that races prominently and is 10/1 or shorter |
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Paul Nicholls on his Hennessy Gold Cup duo: “Tidal Bay definitely runs, and we'll be keeping an eye on the weather for Harry The Viking.”
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harr you have the game by the balls pal
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