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By:
cyclops
When: 26 Oct 12 12:53
Those who took the advice at the top of this thread now have very pleasant options, as he drifts ever out. Personally, I think I'll hang on to my substantial lays at 10/1; as long as his first race is over hurdles, its unlikely he'd come back into the mareket at less than that price, should they need to abort his chasing career.
By:
giggsy3444
When: 27 Oct 12 13:33
said to jump well at home and will make his debut in the next few weeks. that will tell u all u need to know. i say he hacks up and is best price 5/2 for arkle and drifts like a barge in the champion hurdle.
By:
HaylingBilly
When: 27 Oct 12 16:35
I am quite sure his first race will be over hurdles.........doesnt mean he wont jump a fence or go for the Arkle but reckon first time out will be over hurdles.
By:
festivalfanatic
When: 27 Oct 12 19:51
What makes you say that? 'Quite sure' infers that you know something.
By:
HaylingBilly
When: 27 Oct 12 20:29
Apologies. I didnt mean to infer any inside knowledge. Not the case. The 7Barrows Team have made it clear they are not yet happy with his fencing and they will want to get a run in to him and thus with such a high profile horse they will take him hurdling in public and keep schooling at home until they are clear he is ready. That may be 2012. It may be 2013. Just my view. No inside knowledge.
By:
Howdi
When: 27 Oct 12 20:30
^^^^^^ Ill give you 16s
By:
HaylingBilly
When: 27 Oct 12 20:34
16's he wont go hurdling first this season ? Is that what you are saying. I'll take it.
By:
festivalfanatic
When: 27 Oct 12 22:47
Hayling

Where have the 7 Barrows team made it clear they are not happy with his schooling over fences? I'm not suggesting to the contrary but I've heard nothing and am unaware of any public utterances on the matter.
By:
buddeliea
When: 28 Oct 12 10:54
i would be interested in the answer to that as well
By:
Howdi
When: 28 Oct 12 10:57
There is no way he will go hurdling and then reverty to fences mate.

Already said this weekend that fencing debut will happen in next 2-3 weeks./
By:
tinkler
When: 28 Oct 12 15:57
If he's very novicey in his first one or too runs over fences they may switch back too hurdles pretty quickly ,especially if
Henderson's 2m hurdlers aren't showing much.
By:
Ekbalco
When: 30 Oct 12 20:45
Poor call from Seven Barrows imv - this horse would have taken the 2013 Champion Hurdle - a smooth travelling machine with a turn of foot.

Still might - but it was clear last season he ticks all the right boxes for full steam ahead to Champion.
By:
festivalfanatic
When: 30 Oct 12 21:06
Suspect there are a combination of factors at play here.

Yard has Darlan and Grandouet for the CH.

Simonsig was purchased to be a steeplechaser, not a hurdler.

Apart from the politics in the yard, you need to look at the owner. I don't believe Ronnie Bartlett has ever bought a horse with the specific aim for it to be a top hurdler. Don't assume that in his eyes, the Champion Hurdle is a bigger prize than the Arkle Trophy.
By:
Ekbalco
When: 31 Oct 12 14:27
Fair points festers - but this horse is a much superior hurdler to Darlan and Grandouet imv.

It's nothing to do with me - I don't pay the bills.

Just my view.
By:
gravy
When: 05 Nov 12 13:50
That's that then. NJH confirms it's chasing in today's RP
By:
judorick
When: 05 Nov 12 14:10
correct decision imo
By:
buddeliea
When: 05 Nov 12 17:09
yep,and werent really in doubt imo.
Horse was bought for chasing,and trainer has said all along hes a chaser,and would be going chasing this season.
By:
Howdi
When: 05 Nov 12 18:14
If he falls on debut then what Excited
By:
strontium
When: 05 Nov 12 18:22
Any word on where/when he'll run?
By:
judorick
When: 05 Nov 12 18:35
tends to keep them away from Cheltenham

likely places Stratford, Bangor, Doncaster, Kempton, Newbury possibly Ascot
By:
festivalfanatic
When: 05 Nov 12 21:18
You're rght about Cheltenham Judo.

Can't see Simonsig at a tight gaff like Stratford. Ascot, Newbury or kempton the most likely to me though he may follow the monster route, which would mean Doncaster. All 4 capable of producing decent winter ground. Don't think he'll run in a bog, that's for sure.
By:
judorick
When: 05 Nov 12 21:46
yup good work Fanatic
By:
tweedledumbtweedletwat
When: 08 Nov 12 20:15
id expect him to run at newbury winter fest
By:
R Carver
When: 08 Nov 12 20:18
As would I /\, wide open, galloping track, perfect.
By:
wellchief
When: 08 Nov 12 21:24
This year's Arkle not really doing anything for me at the moment.

Along with the Supreme and the Champion Hurdle, its my fav race of the festival; but so far its not really getting me excited.  This time last year we had the unknowns of Sprinter, Peddlers, Al Ferof, Menorah and Cue Card - all top notch hurdlers.

This years list so far is nothing like that level of quality.  A lot can change from now until March though, so not quite writing the race off yet though Grin
By:
giggsy3444
When: 09 Nov 12 13:00
cant wait 2 c him over a fence. i remember a flying grey called morceli who was a great jumper of a fence. would love to c him really take to the job. if he does then its game over come the arkle.
By:
strontium
When: 09 Nov 12 13:19
There doesn't appear to be a suitable race for him at the Henessey meeting unless he's going to debut in the 2 1/2 m Grade 2. The only shorter novice chase is a handicap for which he (presumably) won't be eligible.
By:
R Carver
When: 09 Nov 12 13:43
That's right Strontium, they removed the 2m novice last yr, didn't they (hence SS going to Doncaster)? I had forgotten.
By:
tweedledumbtweedletwat
When: 09 Nov 12 20:20
lets not forget how good arvike legionnaire looks.
By:
BJG
When: 25 Nov 12 18:17
Last price matched 13.5 for Arkle - has Nicky put everyone away again ShockedCrazyLaugh
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