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I don't think CC would take kindly to being dropped in behind horses over 3 miles. He is too keen, quick and has a high cruising speed. Hindsight I know but whilst he is still a young progressive horse they should keep him to 20f and less, imo.
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Didn't look the strongest stayer to me today and comes out the same horse as Menorah on a line through the 3rd today. At 14s I prefer Menorah all day each way.
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is that the Menorah that has been beaten 22 and 26 lengths when he raced against CC?
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Providing Joe does his job properly I would fancy Cue Card over Menorah any day.
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Menorah same horse as CC? The same CC that has turned over Conti,Al Ferof(twice),For Non Stop, Menorah(twice),and now grade 1 horses today? And then there is form with Bobsworth and SS........Colin,forget the Ryanair. Have another shot at bringing down the aeroplane. Aintree could be a consolation if the machine continues as normal.
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For me , horse does n't get the credit he deserves.
He won comfortably today and was going the better of the two when Chris made the error. Take out Sprinter Sacre and he'd've won the Arkle by the aforementioned 22 lengths last year. I'm not convinced he does n't (or won't) stay 3 miles either - combination of desperate ground and the fact that they rode him like a suspect stayer did for him at Kempton. He's only 7 and King's Theatre progeny include the likes of Brindisi Breeze, Voler La Vedette and Wichita Lineman who all did nothing but stay - in addition to Menorah and Captain Chris. They have time on their side so Gold Cup can wait until 2015 or even 2016  |
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call it a day
16 Feb 13 21:32 Joined: 14 Mar 04 | Topic/replies: 386 | Blogger: call it a day's blog Menorah same horse as CC? The same CC that has turned over Conti,Al Ferof(twice),For Non Stop, Menorah(twice),and now grade 1 horses today? And then there is form with Bobsworth and SS........Colin,forget the Ryanair. Have another shot at bringing down the aeroplane. Aintree could be a consolation if the machine continues as normal. Colin's post race interview suggested he could still be tempted to do just that - actually Queen Mum and Melling Chase is not a bad plan. Then he can win Ryanair next year before he goes for Gold Cup. |
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you can still get 4/1 for the Ryanair. Looks a great price to me.
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and you can get 100/30 for the QMCC w/o sacre market.
Now only if you knew which race he'd be running in. |
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First Lieutenant and Sizing Europe will take care of this lad, he'll get no soft lead in the Ryanair imo
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A line through Bobsworth suggests CC will have FL's measure,although he is highly respected.Sizing getting on now...these second season chasers seem to be the real deal. But I'd miss the Ryanair to have a shot at a Championship race;opportunities don't come better than only having one major nemisis to overcome.
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I couldnt imagine Champion Court et al gifting this one a soft lead in the Ryanair for a start, virtually all CC'S best chase form has come in tiny fields, i dont have confidence in the jock, and for me, he's going to make the market if he goes there
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Cue Card is 5-11 in fields of 12 runners or less and 2-3 in fields of 13 runners or more.
It's true he's 0-3 in races where 9-12 runners but one of those was Kng George and he was 2nd in both the other 2 which were behind Menorah in the Bula and Spirit Son at Aintree over hurdles.All three races had 9 runners. There were 24 runners when he won the Champion Bumper. Have n't looked but I should imagine most of Sprinter Sacre's best form is in tiny fields. I appreciate you said chase form but he has n't yet run in a chase with more than 9 runners primarily due to the nature of the races he has been contesting - there is no evidence to suggest it will be a problem, and, in fact, the limited evidence there is suggests the opposite |
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Fair enough, think that there are far better jumpers than him in the field, he couldnt have had it any easier today up front than he did and im sure that there will be far more pressure on his fencing in the ryanair, like i said, he will, for me , make the market if he lines up
Whereas you might get 5 runners in the CC |
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Yeh,i would think it pretty much nailed on he will be in the Ryanair after yesterday.
He did it well and looks to me he will be fine with the distance. Jockey still would concern me in a championship race and he will have some tough opposition,in what looks a classy and competitive race,but hes a big player,no doubt for me. Reckon it will be a cracking race again,and dont forget last years 1st and 2nd,who we aint seen much of this season. If they turn up!! |
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He's a very good horse but over 2m5f I can't have him favourite ahead of SE and FL if as expected they run in the Ryanair.
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dont think he will be fav,if those two DO turn up.
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Cue Card looks looks to me like a Champion Chase sort. I think you don't want to give him too much time to think about the fences, so the faster they come the better it is for him.
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Maybe right,and if Sprinter werent around thats probably where he would be.
But it looks to me he will stay the Ryanair,and it makes sense to go there if they feel he cannot win the QM. |
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Yeah Budd, i'd say that's more likely to happen. Obviously it's their decision, and the game is about opinions. My opinion is that he ran a very good race in the Arkle, and did very well in the Haldon cup over 17f. Given that he has been sticking to small fields, and that Sizing Europe had good preps over the longer trip before winning the CC, then i think they must be tempted. I know some of you FL Ryanair backers are speaking from the pocket, but i still expect him to go for the GC, so open your minds !
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Ha ha,my minds always open when it comes to antepost mate.
I have FL in both,but my reason in wanting him to run in Ryanair is cos i get a free bet in the Gold Cup should he not run in that race. I still think its up in the air a tad,probably 70-30 in favour of Ryanair at a guess. He did run well in the Arkle,but he was always gonna be behind SS,and what weve seen since suggests it would be no different in the QM imo. In a normal year i think CC would be a big player in the QM,but it appears we have a 2miler that aint normal!! |
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Grade 1 chases are rarely double figures in runners, mostly because it is hard to find the talent to run in them.
Cue Card may not get a soft lead, but then again, he might. Sizing Europe will almost certainly be held up over this trip. Gone are the days when he lead everyone a merry dance from the front over 2 miles. And if First Lieutenant is going to make the run or be prominent (if he runs) then going that yard quicker over this trip he'll have to jump a lot better than he has done. I could see him being held-up for a late run like he was in the Neptune and using his big galloping stride to get up that hill. |
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If Albertas lines up he has no chance of a soft lead Sint.
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Does anyone know what kind of form that horse is in Bud?
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nope
 he ran ok last year though,after a long lay off. |
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sintonian 17 Feb 13 11:08 Joined: 21 Sep 04 | Topic/replies: 20,561 | Blogger: sintonian's blog Does anyone know what kind of form that horse is in Bud? No, but he was entered in race Cue Card ran in yesterday at 5 day stage - presumably pulled out because not his ground but the entry suggests he'll be ready and his trainer knows how to prep one for festival - will need good ground to aid his spring heeled, from the front jumping. I think Albertas is a big player in the race but don't necessarily think his presence will hinder Cue Card - it is a race that can be won from the front (though not last year!)- if either or both CC and AR get in a rhythm early on, I can see them being difficult to peg back up the hill. |
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Long term target for Cue Card could be the 2015 Gold Cup. Why not? He will be a perfect 9 years old by then. Hopefully they get him to relax and settle over the next couple of seasons to maximise his potential. Won't surprise anyone that I doubt JT is the correct rider to teach him to do that but hopefully the horse will naturally become more tractable as he gets older... many do.
Anyway, fascinating to follow his progress over the next couple of years. In the meantime, according to his speed rating profile I reckon he is ready to produce a massive performance on his next start and will definit run RPR somewhere in the mid 170s. Remember he is the horse that has gotten closest to the Monster in any chase. Think he is going to explode in the Ryan Air |
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Not a hope in hell of him ever staying 3m 2f.
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that's just guessing as usual
people said the same about Frankel but I bet no one would doubt he would stay a mile and a half if he had been asked and if they train and teach Cue Card there is every prospect he will settle and conserve his energy much better as he gets older. He can also get stronger and fill his frame better with another couple of summers on his back your 'not a hope in hell' is just silly |
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As talented a horse as he is, he's got that fragility about him, where you're sort of watching him with your hands over your eyes.....it's a bit like watching danny welbeck go off on a run with the ball sort of at his feet, your not sure whether he'll stick it in the net or trip over and break his ankle!!
 People have used the comment "worried out of it" with regards to the BW defeat, in the ryanair, there will be plenty of opportunities for that scenario to take place as I doubt he'll be able to lead them a merry dance from start to finish unchallenged and with no mistakes, and what is all that twisting of his body at some jumps that was quite noticeable yesterday. |
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In the 90s I was one of the owners of a horse called Jathib. We got him off the flat and he was a 10/12 furlong horse. Sent him jumping and we thought he would struggle to get 2 and half miles, ended up getting 3rd place in the Whitbread Gold Cup at Sandown over 3 miles 5.
so it is far too soon to drawing definitive conclusions about Cue Card, or any other really, after just 3 runs in his second season as a chaser. They do change both mentally and physically over time with training and racing and a horse like him won't be at his physical peak until the Autumn of 2014 when he's had another couple of summers to fill out. At which point he might have lost some zip and actually need further to be effective. He would not be the first |
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It's an strong opinion,judorick.No more a "guess" than your opinion.
As for no one doubting Frankel would stay a mile and a half....Henry Cecil certainly did. Seem to remember you saying the same sort of things about Flemenstar a few weeks ago. |
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btw
What happened to you when you asked me to name 2 second season chasers apart from Lord Gyllene that had won the National "in living memory" and I came up with 2 straight away. There are others.  |
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Jathib's first win was in a 3m hurdle.
How on earth is this horse's career relevant to whether or not Cue Card will stay 3m 2f ? |
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sorry remind me who they were?
But saying Cue Card will never stay is just guessing, it's too early to say. The main issue is failing to settle. I never doubted Frankel would stay a mile and a half. He won a mile Group 2 race by 10 lengths as a 2yo FFFS! If he wasn't gonna stay a mile and a half then little would. Some may have doubted it but few would have said he definitely would not stay. And that is the point, the evidence that he would stay came later in his 4 year old career. My opinion is at least balanced and allows for some degree of uncertainty. Your 'not a hope in hell' with not a jot of evidence to support it is unbalanced and lacks respect for the vagaries and uncertainties that exist. And in my opinion expresses little understanding of the way chasers develop over time. We will have to reprise the argument in the build up to the 2015 Festival because I doubt he will be aimed at the Gold Cup before then. Just saying though, if he were mine that's what I would plan and I would set up his training and campaigning to get there. i.e learn to settle and get him used to travelling on the bridle for longer distances. |
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CORBIERE
BINDAREE MR WHAT was another and I think RHYME N REASON. |
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Regarding Frankel
"He won a mile Group 2 by 10 lengths as a 2yo FFFS" Err run that by me again. How the feck does that prove he would stay 12f iyo ? |
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How the feck does that prove he would stay 12f iyo ?
it doesnt proove it but most flat horses that stay a mile at 2 USUALLY progress to be middle distance horses |
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I'd say there is an incredibly slim chance of Cue Card ever winning a Gold Cup. Equally there is an incredibly slim chance that I will be named the next Pope.
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Haven't seen the race yesterday, Would he have won even if CC didn't blunder? Surprised he is still 4/1 for Ryanair as thought h woud hav shortened more than that if winning yesterday.
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