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here my view, sprinter sacre is facing a decent field in the arkle:
4 horses, al ferof, menorah, cue card and blackstrairsmountain have all won 1 or more grade 1's, Sprinter sacre was won none.
Sprinter Sacre is yet to prove hes suited by a up hill finish, ( ascot and cheltenham his 2 deafeats)
i feel al ferof form is rock solid, hes often been running in better races, and we know he loves the hill
Hurricane fly the same price, is a proven top class horse, won ten grade 1's and we know he acts around chelt, and i feel other than binocular nothing can give him a race
in the arkle i think the winner is out of al ferof , cue card and sprinter sacre.
at the prices id much rather be on hurricane fly, as sprinter sacre has it all to prove and at the prices i aint payig to find out!
4 horses, al ferof, menorah, cue card and blackstrairsmountain have all won 1 or more grade 1's, Sprinter sacre was won none.
Sprinter Sacre is yet to prove hes suited by a up hill finish, ( ascot and cheltenham his 2 deafeats)
i feel al ferof form is rock solid, hes often been running in better races, and we know he loves the hill
Hurricane fly the same price, is a proven top class horse, won ten grade 1's and we know he acts around chelt, and i feel other than binocular nothing can give him a race
in the arkle i think the winner is out of al ferof , cue card and sprinter sacre.
at the prices id much rather be on hurricane fly, as sprinter sacre has it all to prove and at the prices i aint payig to find out!
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Al Ferof`s form is behind that of Finians Rainbow. Hendersons team will be laughing all the way to the bank. They expect SS to be at least a stone better than Finians Rainbow. So were does that leave Al Ferof?
tough one. fly has more depth in terms of opposition but has more proven form than sacre.
sacre probably the slightly better bet. luckily my bet on the fly was 5/2.
sacre probably the slightly better bet. luckily my bet on the fly was 5/2.
I'd say the value is gone out of both of them.
If you weren't on the Fly before the Irish Champion Hurdle or Sprinter before the Game Spirit I wouldn't be backing either of them at the current prices - but good luck - I want them both to win
If you weren't on the Fly before the Irish Champion Hurdle or Sprinter before the Game Spirit I wouldn't be backing either of them at the current prices - but good luck - I want them both to win
Depends how you view it. Taking 10/11 on a horse which has made it down to the start relaxed. Lump on.
or take 5/2 worrying about it making the race a few weeks before the race. Plenty of wise men dont back ante post..
Thinly veiled Angel missed a decent price
or take 5/2 worrying about it making the race a few weeks before the race. Plenty of wise men dont back ante post..
Thinly veiled Angel missed a decent price
H Fly SOLID AND WINS EASILY.
I am laying Sprinter Sacre just got the gut feeling he will travel like the winner and last 2 fences find nothing similar to Fianans last season, and Al Ferof and Menohrah if still standing will finish alot stronger.
I am laying Sprinter Sacre just got the gut feeling he will travel like the winner and last 2 fences find nothing similar to Fianans last season, and Al Ferof and Menohrah if still standing will finish alot stronger.
Luke its all about opinions mate.
But Sprinter Sacre is diffent class to Finians Rainbow. Look at the FR rating before he ran in the Arkle.
But Sprinter Sacre is diffent class to Finians Rainbow. Look at the FR rating before he ran in the Arkle.
B o y le sports
money back if your horse is second in the first 4 races on day 1 max £200 back
£200 on SS
money back if your horse is second in the first 4 races on day 1 max £200 back
£200 on SS
You need your head examined if you back Sprinter Sacre at 10/11 for the simple reason there are better even money bets running that don't have to beat 3 grade 1 winners in the process.
That is a fact that Paddy Power are banking on.
Hurricane Fly has proved he is a class performer and although wouldn't back him for the above reasons would be the safer bet of the two.
That is a fact that Paddy Power are banking on.
Hurricane Fly has proved he is a class performer and although wouldn't back him for the above reasons would be the safer bet of the two.
Hilbore
I would be more than happy to back the horse at 10/11 as i think is a 4/9 shot in my mind.
I am so confident that it is different class. He will will easily.
I would be more than happy to back the horse at 10/11 as i think is a 4/9 shot in my mind.
I am so confident that it is different class. He will will easily.
do the bo y le sport offer and get your money back if they finish second - looks a free bet
The fly is a penalty kick,wonder horse,the real deal.
SS is a lot about hype,and you can't ignore the fact that paddy powers brains expect him to get beat
SS is a lot about hype,and you can't ignore the fact that paddy powers brains expect him to get beat
I can ignore whatever the fck I want
paddy power also gave money back if spain won the world cup so they don't always get it right
paddy power also gave money back if spain won the world cup so they don't always get it right
Paddy Power brains are not expecting it to get beat. The traders are taking a punt that he will find zilch off the bridle. Traders have a more of a free reign to try and `get one` at Chelts. They are going for it on the first day. They have probably juggled numbers about so their liability is gettable on the remainder of the meeting.
The traders are punters as well. believe me.
The traders are punters as well. believe me.
yes should be 1/3, at least a stone in hand only gotta jump the fences to win, lump on
SS goes off odds against imho! 11/10 - 6/5 area
Any bookie who does not take SS on will be cast aside. They have to take him on.
But as a punter its is great, SS is different class to Finians Rainbow. That puts him miles in front of Al Feron, that makes him 4/9 in my book.
But as a punter its is great, SS is different class to Finians Rainbow. That puts him miles in front of Al Feron, that makes him 4/9 in my book.
and you are one of the worst judges of horse flesh it has been my misfortune to encounter in a long time Denman.
The fact that you don't have the first inkling that this monster is the next superstar chaser shows how you are basically a mug guesser. This horse is a total beast and it is so obvious to anyone is even half a judge. All the connections know it, the Official Handicapper knows it, the jockeys all know it including Ruby Walsh. He will be winning multiple Grade 1 chases for the next few seasons (cross fingers)
but idiots like you are so dumb you can't see it when it is staring you right in the face
The fact that you don't have the first inkling that this monster is the next superstar chaser shows how you are basically a mug guesser. This horse is a total beast and it is so obvious to anyone is even half a judge. All the connections know it, the Official Handicapper knows it, the jockeys all know it including Ruby Walsh. He will be winning multiple Grade 1 chases for the next few seasons (cross fingers)
but idiots like you are so dumb you can't see it when it is staring you right in the face
Ok there not expecting him to get beat.
they know he will get beat
they know he will get beat
Arkle Favourites always LOSE - plus the Hill 10-11 no thanks
Jud
Some people like to rely only on what has happened, they struggle to step out into the beyond..to see what the next stage is. They are stuck in the [b]now[/b.
Some people like to rely only on what has happened, they struggle to step out into the beyond..to see what the next stage is. They are stuck in the [b]now[/b.
Jasey
Traders do not know anymore than you or me. The heads of trading will have a group hug and say lets go for it.
They are guessers mate.
Traders do not know anymore than you or me. The heads of trading will have a group hug and say lets go for it.
They are guessers mate.
2003 Azertyuiop 6 11-8 5/4F Paul Nicholls R Walsh 170
What do you mean favs don't win arkle?
What do you mean favs don't win arkle?
Get your excuses ready,when this monster gets outslugged (again at chelt)
The thing,is,at the Festival every horse is aimed at their particular race and is 100% fit. I don't think Sprintre Sacre, will win, the bookmakers don't give money away. Hurricane Fly is going to be like Istabraq, almost unbeatable and as others have written, I feel only Binnocular will even have a chance of getting close to it and if I had to bet a very short one, then I think, the Fly would be the one I would back
Angel if you think SS is one of bets of Cheltenham I really worry for you. Unless you have a juicy ante post voucher at biggish odds I would just watch the race.
The fly is proven over course distance and class, its a no contest in my view
Jasey of course.
Hilbore
I think the horse will win easily. I think if you ran the race 50 times he would win easily everytime. On that basis i make SS a racing certainty. 10/11 is worth a monster bet in my eyes. Regarding AP there is no way i would part with my money before the day of the race. Its just my way, in fact i will not place my bet until i see the horse go down.
Hilbore
I think the horse will win easily. I think if you ran the race 50 times he would win easily everytime. On that basis i make SS a racing certainty. 10/11 is worth a monster bet in my eyes. Regarding AP there is no way i would part with my money before the day of the race. Its just my way, in fact i will not place my bet until i see the horse go down.
Hurricane Fly would be a far better bet imho,travels like a dream and has all the gears you could possibly have with a NH horse.
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Sprinter Sacre debates????
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Sprinter Sacre debates????
Meant to say the likes of Overturn should set it up nicely for Ruby to come there pulling a train..
See you after the race Hilbore. 
10/11 shots who win by 12 L on the snaff, are 4/9 shots in my eyes.
10/11 shots who win by 12 L on the snaff, are 4/9 shots in my eyes.
You can have you £15 win with me Angel at evens if you want. NRNB.
Everyone has opinion mine is Sprinter wont travel up the hill and he will find one too good for him when he blows up. As for flat tracks miles clear around 2 miles. I am happy to Lay sprinter and follow cheltenham racing for many years. On the Other hand I wont be laying the Fly ..
certainly would not lay either,but would rather back the proven cheltenham horse than the novice.
problem with that is it might not be true.
we know all about HF at Chelt in a Churdle,we dont know the same about SS,so really,all personal thoughts aside,its a no brainer as far as the original question is concerned.
we know all about HF at Chelt in a Churdle,we dont know the same about SS,so really,all personal thoughts aside,its a no brainer as far as the original question is concerned.
In any sport,a team or individual can look out of this world,when thrashing no hopers.
Jasey
Have you heard of a little thing called Official Ratings
Hurricane Fly has an edge of 3lb on the next best.
Sprinter Sacre has an edge of 9lb on the next best.
Now then you do the math.
Have you heard of a little thing called Official Ratings
Hurricane Fly has an edge of 3lb on the next best.
Sprinter Sacre has an edge of 9lb on the next best.
Now then you do the math.
Is it just me or is this like a re-run of Dunguib, He never moved a muscle while winning before going to Cheltenham, he was the banker he was going to win on the bridle etc. On the day he never turned up.
IMO lay Sprinter Sacre back H/fly If SS proves me wrong and he's as good as his supporters say he is, and he wins at them odds he wont close your bank.
Plus if he's that good he should win next year so il back him then. Win win situation...No??
IMO lay Sprinter Sacre back H/fly If SS proves me wrong and he's as good as his supporters say he is, and he wins at them odds he wont close your bank.
Plus if he's that good he should win next year so il back him then. Win win situation...No??
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Hilbore the Arkle is in the bag. SS is different class to Finians Rainbow who beat AF..Come on man sharpen up.
Hurrican Fly should win - but he only has 3lb on Binocular who looks to be returning to something like his best. He will be stretched more than SS.
...Hilbore the Arkle is in the bag. SS is different class to Finians Rainbow who beat AF..Come on man sharpen up.
Hurrican Fly should win - but he only has 3lb on Binocular who looks to be returning to something like his best. He will be stretched more than SS.
He will be stretched more than SS. angel
Stretched out on his back halfway up the hill when he's blown up. Horses for courses.
I think your trying to get as many mugs to back SS so you can lay the stones out of him.
lay SS all day
Stretched out on his back halfway up the hill when he's blown up. Horses for courses.
I think your trying to get as many mugs to back SS so you can lay the stones out of him.
lay SS all day
Sull
Sacre was being cajoled before he hit the last hurdle, landed with no momentum and was overtaken but still didnt let Cue Card past him..He was actually a weak hurdler who did well to finish 3rd. Breathing Op could help and he is Chasing not hurdling...
Dont miss out..he will finish the season over a stone better than his rivals on tuesday.
Sacre was being cajoled before he hit the last hurdle, landed with no momentum and was overtaken but still didnt let Cue Card past him..He was actually a weak hurdler who did well to finish 3rd. Breathing Op could help and he is Chasing not hurdling...
Dont miss out..he will finish the season over a stone better than his rivals on tuesday.
ruby doesnt even need a whip in the CH..THE FLY WILL CRUISE UP THE HILL.the rest will need "binocular"s to see him he that far ahead ;) 5l going away.the fly is as good as istabraq imo.
ive never heard BG so bullish about one,but wouldnt back it at that price. gl
ive never heard BG so bullish about one,but wouldnt back it at that price. gl
With the Byoles offer do you get your money back or is it a free bet ?
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Just going to say this just as the above poster did, we have a debate like this every year and the year before, and before that and before that! I have to ask one thing, what are your excuses going to be should he get beat tomorrow It is a horse race so anything can happen. I just ask that you give this a rest now
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And lets us all read your excuses if the horse does get beat, simples!
And we will all give you all the grief you deserve, simples
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Just going to say this just as the above poster did, we have a debate like this every year and the year before, and before that and before that! I have to ask one thing, what are your excuses going to be should he get beat tomorrow
It is a horse race so anything can happen. I just ask that you give this a rest now pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
And lets us all read your excuses if the horse does get beat, simples!
And we will all give you all the grief you deserve, simples
The forum is for debate and views. What do you think it should be used for!
Sprinter Sacre is a racing certainty.
Hurricane Fly is almost a racing certainty.
yes,you all knew what was going to happen with Al Ferof,well done.
Dreamers.
SS was a flat track bully before the race, now A Ferof is the flat track bully.
Bud
If you make mistakes then you cant be a top chaser. Horses make mistakes when they are taken out of their comfort zone. Sprinter Sacre has never been taken out of his comfort zone.
If you understood horses you would not have been opposing SS before the race. Some people struggle to read a situation and some understand what is happening..Sacre was happening and you couldnt see it. My mind boggles.
Ruby made the mistake,if you understood racing you would know that.
My mind boggles.
My mind boggles.
If you make mistakes then you cant be a top chaser.
Before you reply. Of course top horses do make mistakes but they also have more superior ratings than 160.
Before you reply. Of course top horses do make mistakes but they also have more superior ratings than 160.
And not the answer you were expecting,but should have been.
Blame the jockey
You cant accept defeat can you bud. Everyone realises this Sprinter Sacre is a 2 miler of a generation, yet you whine about the jockey on your selection.
Take a cold shower and snap out of it.
You cant accept defeat can you bud. Everyone realises this Sprinter Sacre is a 2 miler of a generation, yet you whine about the jockey on your selection.
Take a cold shower and snap out of it.
In all honesty Al Ferof will be fine when upped in trip..
Perhaps he can be a 165 horse
Perhaps he can be a 165 horse
I can accept defeat,thats why i came on the forum to congratulate the SS backers.
This is a different point AG,ruby asked the horse when no need to,he jumped fine but too early,and that was Ruby.
Was no need to do that at that stage,was under no pressure at the time and still going well.
It was a race ending incident for the horse,of that their is no doubt.
This is a different point AG,ruby asked the horse when no need to,he jumped fine but too early,and that was Ruby.
Was no need to do that at that stage,was under no pressure at the time and still going well.
It was a race ending incident for the horse,of that their is no doubt.
Bud
I have just watched again.
The pace was quickening, SS was drawing alongside AF and The horse took off far too early and the horse over reached. Ruby was cajoling him into the fence HE DID NOT ASK AL FEROF FOR A BIG JUMP.
Bloody caps
I have just watched again.
The pace was quickening, SS was drawing alongside AF and The horse took off far too early and the horse over reached. Ruby was cajoling him into the fence HE DID NOT ASK AL FEROF FOR A BIG JUMP.
Bloody caps
Well if im being unjust to Ruby i owe him an apology,thats how we judged it where i was watching the race,but theres no doubt he took off too early,and personally i thought it was a great shame both for me and more importantly for the race....well equally important
Anyway,onwards and upwards,still have 3 days to get stuck into
Anyway,onwards and upwards,still have 3 days to get stuck into
was a shame indeed Budd, we needed a clean race to get the best out of each horse and to set the standards. We were denied seeing AF run his best
one of those things that unfortunately occur in this game Judo.
The last thing i wanted to happen to one of them was that.Its a race we have all been looking forward to for a long time,and we ended up with PC not playing and AF doing that.
Still,like i say,another 3 days!!
The last thing i wanted to happen to one of them was that.Its a race we have all been looking forward to for a long time,and we ended up with PC not playing and AF doing that.
Still,like i say,another 3 days!!
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