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Oscars Well 10/1 for the Champion Hurdle; places locked out by Hurricane Fly, Zarkandar & Binocular in which ever order!
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Steps To Freedom for me!
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Sprinter Sacre. 5-4? Not for me. LAY LAY LAY
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Everything Pricewise has selected, Simonsig (for both races but more so Supreme), First Lieutenant (much too short on what he has actually achieved over fences), Sivola De Sivola (big doubt about even getting a run), Champagne Fever (absolutely no chance) and Moscow Mannon (form completely overrated and should be twice the price).
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Vendor in the Fred Winter.... I'll be a suck egg mule if that wins !!!!!
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Cheeseburger and Chips.
£9.00 from the van at the top of the Guinness Village. |
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Sorry lads, serious thread, but, unlike the cardboard burger, I couldn't resist it.
FWIW, I agree with King Selassie. Vendor has tumbled in price purely on King's apparent excitement at the mark of 129, but we know this is a race with more plots than Arthur's allotment. Just look back a year at Arthur Moore and What a Charm, says it all. They'll be a few more in just as well-in on what they've shown so far with connections who have kept their excitement covered up. |
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all short priced favs ie
Hurricane Fly Quevega Big Bucks Sprinter Sacre Sizing Europe are poor value they all look past the post bound to be 1 or 2 beaten though |
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lucky heather from the gypsy at the main gate
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The "Shuttle Bus" that actually takes longer than a 3 legged donkey ..
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Midnight Chase @ 12 for the Gold Cup.
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First Leiutenant is a good call - remarkable price for what it's achieved.
I'm not sure why people would worry about a horse not getting a run as you should get your money back if it's ballotted out. |
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Just to confirm this if the horse is left in at the final declaration stage and doesn't get a run stake is returned?
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Yes, on here or with any decent bookie, though one or two have been known to play silly beggars from time to time.
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peddlers cross - based on hurdle rating and the apparent 'problems' he had after kempton.
first leiutenant - price has to be simply because he won at the festival last year. two main rivals blundered the last. form over fences makes him a 25/1 shot. sizing europe - just don't think he should be as short. have a feeling his form from this year might be a little dodgy and his huge run lto might take some getting over. cristal bonus - visually impressive but dont think his form entitles him to be so short for the jewson. |
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good 9 horses with no chance gonna double them all up now ,and have a cracking chelts .
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Out of 100% what percentage chance has Sivola de Sivola of getting a run in the Pertemps Final and how many horses need to be pulled out for him to get a run? Thanks in advance for helpful replies.
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not one I'M INVOLVED WITH BUT looks to be firming up in market as IF some people have an idea as only coming to fore in betting arena NOW ?,....PLAN TO KEEP AN EYE ON DEVELOPMENTS THIS WEEK .
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he was top of the market for the pertemps about 5mins after his last run grumpy. i was keeping an eye on it.
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Joe - there are 39 ahead of him with British ORs. We don't know about the Irish/French yet, but using RPRs as a rough guide there would be another 11 or so. There will be a maximum 24 runners. So roughly 26 above him would need to come out for SdS to get a run. (We'll be sure about the numbers when the weights come out on Wednesday).
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Thanks strontium. unlikely to get a run then one would imagine.
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I'm not sure Joe - quite a few of those above him are bound to be engaed in the Coral Cup and/or other races as well as the Pertemps.
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must have been a lot bigger than 7's it is now , as looked back it was pretty wide betting so wide a race , I left the race with nothing against It . G oing back 6 weeks ?
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Joe - you might be right - number 32 in the weights was the lowest to get in in 2011.
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Was 12s with billy hills and 9s with both paddies and bet36five. the rest had no prices for it. this was 5 or 10 mins after his last run Grumpyjim.
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Syncronised placed in the gold cup. This horse to me has the same profile as Kempes. Beat a dreadful field in Ireland and completely ground dependent. This horse has the pace of a canal boat. I don't think see him finishing in the top 5 let alone the top 3 with or without Grand Crus running.
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sivola and our father 7's each the two 12's bar only this weekend for me ? one of only a few races no interest in ......certainly an interest in the horse now o .k. ?about 20 plus at 12's and over ,so kept passing race by ...............?
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SS at 5/4 ain't great...but finian's rainbow 5/1, do me a favour!!
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Rubi Light 5/1 is a shocking price even though there are loads of fans on here especially with the going likely to be quick by the Thursday
Grands Crus is terrible value, the form has taken a battering and the Feltham is a total bok for the RSA - lay Long Run and Kauto Star both have ridiculous trends to overcome |
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Got to love these threads - so many differences of opinion.
I don't think 5-1 Finian's is a bad price all things considered. Has one horse to beat who has been beating the same old horses all year long and one 11-year-old who ran the worst race of the last two seasons just two weeks ago. Might only be 6 or 7 runners, so I think he is one of the best each-way bets of the meeting! As for bad value, I'd be tempted to say an old friend Oscar Whisky at around 7/2 and 100/30. No proff that he stays three miles, takes on arguably the most solid Festival favourite in years, and there are five or six other runners within a few pounds of him on official ratings. |
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Great shout Finians Rainbow...i'll throw in Somersby for the Ryanair too, wouldn't be backing that at double the price! Midnight Chase is another good one, and reminds me to include Synchronised into the mix!
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Noble Prince another one I'd want double the price for. I can make a case for at least 5 horses I think should be shorter than it in that race.
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Agreed about that one ^. He'll have his conditions for the first time all year but he just doesn't look good enough to me.
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Agreed too on Noble Prince; feel the same way about a lot of them in the Ryanair - Rubi Light I wouldn't be rushing to back either!
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On what he has achieved Sprinter Sacre perhaps looks too short. However, anyone connected to the horse pretty much all give the impression he is an absolute monster. I feel they are right.
I agree on Synchronised, if that slow boat can trouble the judge I will certainly be scratching my head. |
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Bobs Worth 5/1 RSA.
Comforably beaten last two runs by two of his main rivals. Doesn't jump fences particularly well and could be too far back by the time his stamina starts to kick in. |
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Grand Crus and Bobsworth in the RSA.
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@ well chief. I was starting to think along the same lines. Think he has been well held on both occasions. I would want to see Grand Crus confirmed though as it might be that he will be better suited by Cheltenham.
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Budd - Grand Crus might well be bad value for the RSA, but he absolutely stinks for the Gold Cup @ 10/1!
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indeed mate.
They still thinking about that?  |