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correct me if im wrong.....isnt hold on julio been pulled out due to the horse coughing 2 weeks ago?
But isn't that the point. That horse isn't ready ro run on Saturday so three weeks later.....how long is it to the festival? |
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Is it not ready to run or are they protecting it's lovely looking mark for the Festival 3m handicap?
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Mister Westsound
20 Feb 12 21:47 Joined: 16 Feb 03 | Topic/replies: 161 | Blogger: Mister Westsound's blog Hasn't stopped AF shortening by the best part of half a point on here in the last 24hrs. Price will be the number 1 indicator in all of this. No matter how tightly a yard is run word will get out and some staff will use info to their advantage. If the prices are stable or better still contracting it's safe to assume that all is well with that particular horse. This is a cracking point and this is what punters will face when faced with a big yard with a bug in it...punters will still believe, as they did when hammering silvi conti into 11-10 saturday...they just don't know and neither will the yard until they run them...these are the perils that face punters in the coming weeks......pain???????????????????????????????????? |
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quick question! honestly how many people on here would back a nicolls horse for Cheltenham right now?
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quick question! honestly how many people on here would back a nicolls horse for Cheltenham right now?
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I would Giggsy - Cheltenham is 3 weeks away, only a few of his horses have a cough and with the right treatment the horses may only be held up in their work for 3/4 days, it should have no impact whatsoever, the horses that aren't affected will be kept separate from those who have coughed.
Yards like Nicholls have the best medical advisers, treatment and facilities and they are well versed in dealing with incidents such as these. |
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i really hope it has no bering on how his horses run at cheltenham. it would be a shame if kauto, BB etc were not able to run to their best because of this.
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I would but possibly purely on the basis that I've fancied Al Ferof all year and i'd almost rather stick to my guns and back him than allow this to change my mind and kick myself if he wins!!
Apart from BB he is the only one i was going to back. Was looking at Zarkandar in the w/o fly market but if i do have a fun bet in that then it would now be Binocular. The way he travelled, and more importantly jumped, has given me the odd second of doubt about the fly. Then I come to my senses again |
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Pretty upbeat statement from Nicholls this evening he dosen't seem to be overly worried
Anyone know what stable form was like this time last year! I'd be more concerned about the form of Mullins stable @ the mo!! |
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Glenwood - Don't know willie has had 6 winners from his last 18 runners...not to bad I would say...still - paul can say what he likes he has had 1 winner from 30+ runners....which is a disaster which ever way you cut it...tomorrow will tell us more about the bug...
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HC look a little closer
Mullins 15 beaten Favs in the last 10 days and some of those were odds on as well ![]() |
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does anyone know if promising anshan is going to the festival?
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judorick Joined: 27 Nov 11
Replies: 2647 20 Feb 12 21:25 as I said Harry I am not planning to back any of his anyway, with a possible exception of R on R, so I am not losing sleep... in fact, it might help get an edge harry callaghan Joined: 10 Nov 07 Replies: 614 20 Feb 12 21:32 me to judo...and yes looking forward to the edge Lads, Are you saying that you would be quiet happy to have the festival without some of the best horses around?? I mean Oscar Whisky is my biggest winner,but i dont want Big Bucks ill at home. |
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Not at all budd...but the game is all about punting and he will have plenty of fancied runners eating up lots of the market...which is seen as a gambling edge...hope this helps...
you must be delighted if your on oscar as you can back big bucks for a free bet if he turns up which seems likely with lots on here not worried about the stables well being... |
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Nothing on the lay side for What A Friend in Gold Cup, always a worrying sign.
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okey doke Harry.
yeh,BB is going to be backed at some point mate. |
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And here starts the unknowing that you get with a trainer with sick horses...
eduardo sol opened 13-2 now 12's...punters and owners won't touch it and the games begin on everything the man runs...he may well win and punters will think there is no problems (wrongly)and all is ok, then comes the next one who runs down the field...the perils of punting on a trainer whose horses have the plague... |
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paul nicholls said on Tuesday that his disclosure the previous day that some of his string are coughing had been "a little bit blown out of proportion" and that the great majority of his horses remain unaffected. "We did a load more tests this morning," Nicholls said after saddling Dualla Lord to finish third in a novice hurdle here, "and I suspect a huge number will be absolutely fine, with maybe one or two we need to treat."
Nicholls has dominated National Hunt racing so thoroughly for the past seven years that any report of illness in his stable less than a month before the Festival would inevitably concern punters who have backed horses such as Kauto Star and Big Bucks's to win at Cheltenham in mid-March. If Nicholls is seriously concerned about his string's health, however, he was hiding it very well, as he insisted that the infection is having little impact on the pre-Festival training regimes of his horses. "If you walked round the stables you wouldn't hear any coughing," Nicholls said. "It's probably the worst we've ever had it [at this time of year], but you always get a few little niggles, and having said that, we're only talking about 10 or 12 or so out of 120, and a lot of the others have run really well. "I cancelled the press morning [which was scheduled for Wednesday] because it would have been the right thing to have done, and of course then I have to announce that it's cancelled, and everything gets a little bit blown out of proportion. It's probably the worst we've ever had it, but having said that, you're only talking about 10 or 12 horses. "We schooled a load this morning, and Zarkandar [who coughed after winning the Betfair Hurdle last Friday] was back cantering. If we know that something's not quite right, we'll just give them a couple of quiet days." Nicholls had three declared runners here, two of which had previous form, and though Edgardo Sol was unplaced in the Bathwick Tyres Handicap Hurdle, Duella Lord ran a sound race to finish third in the opening novice hurdle and Foggy's Wall finished second in the concluding race of the day. "It's not a bad one where they're not eating, that's when you're in trouble," Nicholls said, "but there's not one that's like that at all, so we should be OK. "I probably would have said something anyway [regardless of the scheduled media day], there's no point saying everything is all right when it's not. It takes the pressure off if you're up front, rather than trying to say that you haven't got a problem. "What happens is that they pick something up on the racecourse and the stress of the race brings it out. The only one that [of the main Festival contenders] that I really wanted to run [before Cheltenham] was Zarkandar, and none of the others need to run anyway. Nothing has missed any work yet, so we'll just monitor the situation. Dildar [a possible runner in the Triumph Hurdle] is running this weekend, but all the others have done what we wanted to do. "Zarkandar had a snotty nose the day after he won [the Betfair Hurdle] at Newbury, but straight away we gave him some antibiotics, and we cantered him this morning. Kauto Star, Big Buck's, Join Together, Al Ferof and four or five others were tested on Sunday and they were all absolutely 100%." |
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unclepuncle
When: 20 Feb 12 12:13 If they need antibiotics then they need be out of the horses system before they can run judorick When: 20 Feb 12 12:21 most likely viral rather than bacterial so antibiotics are pointless CHAMPION trainer Paul Nicholls on Monday night described a bout of coughing at his yard as "no big deal", but revealed that,with the Cheltenham Festival starting three weeks from Tuesday, Stan James Champion Hurdle second favourite Zarkandar was among a dozen horses on a course of antibiotics. Maybe you should tell Paul Nicholls and his vet that they are wasting their time ![]() |
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it is a fact, if they are viral infections (which 95% are) that anti biotics are useless
unless they have taken cultures and grown them to find out whether they have a bacterial infection |
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That's true Judo. However it can take several days to culture bacterial to diagnose infections, so antibiotics may be being used preemptively. Also in many animals (though I'm not sure about horses) viral respiratory infections often lead to secondary bacterial infections which can/should be treated with antobiotics.
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yes but giving antibiotics unnecessarily is counter productive and can weaken the organism, kill intestinal flora and make it more difficult to recover
flushing with 10ppm colloidal silver (silver disrupts viral growth), dilute soltions of sodium hypochlorite and inhalation of eucalyptus, peppermint and rosemary essential oils can be used to fight viruses plus big doses of vitamins D &C while you wait for the culture plates to grow pre-emptive antibiotics should be avoided at all costs (you might guess that this is part of my professional expertise) |
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Are you a horse vet?
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no but I am medically qualified
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Amazing what you can find out on wikipedia
![]() In all seriousness though I can't believe Paul Nicholls and his vet(s) aren't aware of all the downsides that you have listed so they presuambly have additional information to hand (or based on experience) that has led them to their decision. |
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Maybe they have a better judgement of vets than Henderson....
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