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siralex you really ought to read the thread before commenting.
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eric - i agree that the ante post selectins are now a joke. there is no value in them this year as they are being sliced in half before he puts anything up. would be quite happy myself if he never gave 1 antepost again. the bookies are just a complete and utter joke nowadays and its not just pricewise selctions either.
i was more responding to whoever said pricewise is only for arbers. that is wrong. |
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thieveslikeus ... my four figure antepost bets were placed last June, do you understand? I know what I'm doing however I dont think a selfish view like others have helps anything worth having survive long term.
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I like to form my views with a bit more information than that Eric as I don't want to be confused with Russell Grant. Pricewise is an inconvenience, I agree, but it isn't going anywhere so we have to adapt to it. Same as having a 4th day and new races to contend with every couple of years.
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Thanks to the good lord he usually leaves the handicaps alone Ante Post
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Handicaps are a no no antepost unless v short range ... it didnt take years to work that one out.
I would just like to make it clear, I am not Russell Grant. |
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thieveslikeus ... that is having a lot of information you have had Aintree by June to confirm your initial thoughts after the Festival though in reality it is leaving it late and losing value imo.
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Last Installment, Join Together and Flight Lieutenant were all shortened up by bookies in the couple of days prior to the Pr1cewise RSA tip yet neither Last Installment or Join Together, who he didnt tip, have been lengthened back again with those bookies. They have just shortened Silviniaco Conti his other tip, up further.
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Actually eric_morris, a couple have since now pushed them two he didnt tip back out as i have said they would do all along!!!
Join Together is now back out to 10/1 with baldys and sporting and Last Instalment is once again 8s with laddies!!! This i think, answers this debate! Prices correct as of time of this post! They were those prices in the days leading up to the price wise tip but were shorter the day of the tip until approx' today! |
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Two bookies lengthening one price each NOWHERE NEAR compensates for the amount of shortening across nearly all bookies on 4 different horses, 2 which he didnt tip. Are you living on a different planet where mathematics takes a totally unrelated form to basic maths here, struth man.
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Punters placing multiples including the STILL shortened up untipped horses are now losing massive value on their bets.
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No, i think the last time i checked i was on planet earth lol. Does it really matter who lengthens them back? NO, well not to me anyways. As long as they have been lengthened back. If you have not bet these horses yet, then your in a position to do so now while those prices are there. If you dont, well i dont see where your coming from as regards to this thread at all.
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In other words, does it effect you directly? If the answer is no, then whats the point imo!
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In other words, does it effect you directly? If the answer is no, then whats the point imo!
Just sit back and think what you wrote, it can happen in any aspect of life. Just because something doesn't affect you at present, but you think is wrong, then you should still raise the issue, Tomorrow it might. Because then don't expect any sympathy when something happens to you and they give the same response you have given just then. You should always complain about sharp practices. |
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It doesnt have to affect me as long as it effects antepost punters it matters. The odds have not been lengthened back on his non tips with ALL of the bookies who shortened them. This is an outrageous scything of value from punters due to Pr1cewise. Anyone placing best odds multiples are extremely unlikely to be getting anywhere near the same value as they were a couple of days before his tip appeared as most bookies have kept their prices at the shortened price not the original price. Also, if placing singles the remaining best prices on the non tips will disappear quicker (there are less bookies offering the original price) again in time giving punters much worse value. Every antepost punter should be bothered about this, if they're not they should allow their mums to confiscate their wallets.
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Erics right,cant see why anyone is arguing to be honest,not if they are reading his comments and understanding his point.
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Eric, there is an alternate explanation. People might have been backing other horses for other reasons...
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If you look at the likely runners for most races at the festival (World Hurdle and Champion Hurdle aside) the markets are still quite underround in many cases. I think what is happening with horses shortening before a Pricewise antepost race is that bookies are taking a close look at their books and trimming a few of the likelier contenders. Let's face it, we all knew First Lieutenant was overpriced at 16-1 and 99% of people on that thread suggested as much.
I don't think the odds compilers spend as much time as we do studying the markets. They change prices after a trial then just respond to any heavy bets they take. Collateral form holding up or falling apart doesn't always seem to register with them. When they know a race is due to be Pricewised they will take a fresh look and often start to bring a few in - and in fairness to Eric this will be partly in anticipation of money coming for the horse. For those horses who remain healthy and who's form is holding up there is an inevitable shortening of the price as the race approaches (not least because other horses get beaten/injured/targetted elsewhere). What's happening here is that this process is brought forward. Whilst not ideal, it's not a huge problem provided that you are aware which race is next on the radar and you get your studying and betting done before the scissors come out. For those that aren't prepared to do the legwork then they have to be prepared to potentially miss out on a good price if their selection is one of the horses to be trimmed. There is a plus side to his articles too. We get to read the trainers latest thoughts on the main contenders and whether they are even likely to run. For me this additional info is always very useful and welcome. |
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Maybe, just maybe, some horses have been being backed ahead of a weekend of trials too?
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Supreme Novices Hurdle eve of Pr1cewise tip, 5 horses shortening across bookies, 1 drifting. Whoopee thanks Pr1ceslasherwise.
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A casual observer might see this as the Racing Post helping their main sponsors, the bookmakers, shorten up all of the main graded race prices thus drastically improving their margins on the biggest earner of the year after the National. Is this any different to price fixing on the stock exchange?
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Eric, you've been making this point for what seems an eternity now. We all know! I've already gotten on my picks (Montbazon, Cinders and Ashes, Colour Squadron) for the Supreme at the beginning of January. There is no point moaning bout this time and time again when you've had at least a week to study the race(you knew Pricewise would be making his pick last week??) and make a firm decision before Pricewise publishes his. It's not ideal but that's the name of the game. Take a position early in the market and reap the benefits of large prices! I did and I'm happy with my three vs the field! Very simple Eric.. just do the donkey work before Pricewise does and get your bets on!
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read the thread I am highly likely to have placed my bets months before you, however unlike you I am not saying fk everyone else who it does affect. Similar practises may affect you next, lets hope it does.
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lazychef was a well chosen username for you as you cant be @rsed to read the thread before spouting cr@p.
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Another week and this thread pops up again, lazychef is quite right, it is getting annoying now, hence no other posters.
Although i do agree with your point as already stated on here, the bookmakers pre pricewise always chopped from 4 weeks to go and onwards in any case, those that were getting ready for nrnb at the 2 week point have always chopped at this time. They pick a few out they think their over the odds on, and the scissors come out, they did on an almost daily basis, chop one or two here, one or two there, there is no difference whatsoever to whats happening now as to what happened back in the day pre pricewise except they mostly now wait until pricewise eve as it gives them a better idea of which ones to clip and which ones to leave alone. We are all in it to try to gain an advantage, they are no different. So i will re-iterate, if you as you say did place your bets months ago, why bother bringing this thread back week after week and crying over spilt milk about it  |
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By the way, i am on vulcanite at 33s and just backed midnight game this morning to which i had absolutely no problem taking some 14/1. I was going to back it however last week when i seen 16s, a 2 point hit is not a disaster though if i missed this morning i would not have bothered until at least the day of race.
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There have been plenty of other posters, quite a few of them trying to explain the situation to you, unfortunately you dont understand basic maths and are only bothered by things that effect you now and will therefore keep returning to it like a bad uninformed unintelligent poster always does.
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