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All this guy succeeds in doing is to cause the bookies to shorten up most of the field in the couple of days before his tip appears leaving rubbish value for everyone wherever you look afterwards right up until the race.
These tips should be banned only the mindless arbers get involved anyway to the cost of other antepost punters.
These tips should be banned only the mindless arbers get involved anyway to the cost of other antepost punters.
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Ban him full stop - see how the sheep fare then.
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Yes baa him.
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Bl00dy hell Eric - I agree with you!!!!
Does my head in to see a big sea of blue on Oddschecker just because he is naming his selection. Only saving grace is to predict what he is going to pick, get on it early, and lay it off a few days later as a free bet or a profit. |
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Day of race no problem but antepost the damage is done for weeks on most runners right up until the race. He is giving the bookies an excuse to shorten up most of the field.
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Yeah I agree.
It's one thing to shorten them up to predict his selection, but then they should return to the previous price for the ones he doesn't pick. Instead they shorten half the field, and don't bother to revert to the previous price. |
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Could be viewed as market manipulation, the RPost make a lot from bookmaker advertising and are helping them shorten long term markets up drastically.
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All the sheep in one place, it really riles me up the wrong way when i here you ungreatful lot whinge on about pricewise. Why shouldnt some people whom like a bet get a little help from here or there? I like pricewise, he is a good tipster who gets winners. What is wrong with that? Why shouldnt information be past and shared?
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We all win less or lose more antepost now because of him that's why.
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Layers in clover.
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It would seem to me there is a heck of a lot of people out there who like a bet, who like to try and find the value for themselves but from no fault of their own find it difficult to or struggle to form a strong enough view or gain the required knowledge through work and or other commitments and so comes a long price wise, a helpful tool that allows that armchair punter to get his/her tenner on at a price that has since already gone to those in the know!
Nothing what so ever wrong with that, where else in the world can one get a bet on at a price that has become history? I have said it before and i say it again on here, if you so happened to pick out the same selection(s) as price wise, all you have to do is bet it the day before, the vast majority of these races are priced up at least 24 hours before the race, and a lot of them are also available as antepost. No excuse imo not to study it that early and therefore get your hundreds or thousands on then! This way at least, you will get them nasty bookies to change their price before price wise has picked it and it then be your doing and price wise will then be forced to then pick something else! Oh i forgot, no it aint about that is it, no, its so you can get on and arb isnt it really yes it is aw never mind crawl back into that stone please and stop whinging over spilt prices! |
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Surely the sheep are the ones who simply follow him, and not the people who take a view and like to make their own decision on race?
Win, lose or draw I know its my selection, and I have my own reasons for backing it. |
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If you don't like a free press, move to a country that doesn't have one.
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Every country has a press?
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Not a free one.
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eric_morris
30 Jan 12 20:06 Joined: 27 Jun 10 | Topic/replies: 3,357 | Blogger: eric_morris's blog Every country has a press? Does it? Do us all a fav then, go to North Korea and try and open your on free speech paper? I think you will last all of approx 1 hour before your put in jail or worse! We have got it so easy and are very very lucky here, not just N.Korea, a lot of countries are repressive and very bad, what really upsets me though is the vast majority of their citizens know know different and so accept it as normal! |
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I haven't got a problem with people using Tipsters or Pricewise.
I just think Pricewise has far too much influence on the market; but I accept that's not his fault-he gets paid to do his job. If a horse runs a good race or their form has just been boosted, then fair do's they should be shortened, the bookies have to make money like everyone else. But I don't think they should be shortened when they haven't ran for a while, their form doesn't tie into any recent runs - they only shorten because Pricewise might mention them in a good light. As I said, if he picks Cue Card, then so be it, I'd expect him to shorten. But if he does pick Cue Card there's no reason to also shorten Sprinter, Peddlers, Al Ferof and Bog Worrior as well? Surely they should drift if Pricewise is so keen on another one? |
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You expect to get your papers free?
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I hope he does pick CC as i am already on at 10s, though i cannot see it. I think it will be either BW or CoP. And i wont be getting on either, as think the winner comes from the current top 5 in the betting anyways. Though i will be backing it later in the week anyways. As, i am a sheep, and am a follower, yes ok, i will miss the advised price, but it will still be much shorter on the day than it will be come Friday afternoon this week. That to me, is value, which ever way you look at it.
I am remembering that everyone was whinging about his champ hdl pick, Oscars Well, at 25s, i got that price for my fiver e/w. And i was very happy with it, but everyone is now talking about him as a possible place candidate in the race. Something they was not doing a couple of weeks ago. He was 25s 2 weeks ago, he is now into 14s and still getting backed! |
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STS, you're missing my point mate.
I have no problem with the bookies shortening his selection's price, because he is proven to pick winners. The Oscars Well point you make is a valid one. It's the blanket shortening of half the field I object to. In the Oscars Well case, I remember Unaccompanied being shortened, as well as Rock on Ruby. (there was also a mention of The Real Article) After he picked Oscar's Well, the others didn't go back to their previous price - they stayed shorter, almost as if Pricewise picked them. It's the same in the Arkle - all the sea of blue you see now will stay at those prices; there won't be much red for the ones he doesn't pick. FWIW, I backed Cue Card before his run with Conti at Chepstow at 20's and Captain Chris at 33's weeks before Pricewise put him up. |
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Yes i see your point completely. But they do go back to their previous prices, it may take a couple days, maybe even a couple weeks if they dont run but they do push a couple out. Every day there is green squares in races pricewise has had an influence in. You have to watch the markets a little more carefully but they do push them back out. Unless form of a runner ties in with a selection or that selection has run. Which often happens also.
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It is the same with everything in life where money is involved and profits etc. Perfect example of this would be the cost of fuel, petrol went up 30p a litre inside 6 months, since the cost of crude slipped back to what it was when we was paying £1 a litre, has petrol gone back? No it hasnt, it went down by about 2p, not the other 28p, no one complains and so the price gets accepted and the oil companies make more. A price will always increase far quicker than it will ever decrease same is said with bookies exept obv the other way about
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If you don't like the bookmakers price, don't back them. It's a free market and ultimately the price on all the horses will revert to the right level.
As for all the carping on about sheep, how many people on here back horses with no recourse to either pundits or form books (which are ultimately just another form of punditry)? |
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I see both sides here, but having just checked oddschecker it has to be wrong that most bookies have shortened up the front four for no reason other than the fact Pricewise is previwing the Arkle.
Running scared of the pick I understand, but shortening up all credible challengers to ensure they don't take a bet on the selection is a sad way to run a bookmaking business.... |
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It has to be Cue Card that is the pick, has most money queueing up on betfair and has the most blue on oddschecker.
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should be banned by who?
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The problem is that they are not Bookmakers they are simply accountants who treat anyone who dares to win with total disdain
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I'm an accountant and I can't get more than about £3 on anything online other than with Betfair! Good luck to those who can get the prices. One thing I have noticed about pricewise selections is that they tend to drift late on as people get desperate to lay off. Can be useful to know that...
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I've had half a dozen bookies restrict my bets and one in particular who just won't lay me a penny on cricket, as you say accountants.
They love the £5 e/w treble mug, anyone who has had any kind of reasonable success is binned, I'm not a massive fan of exchanges because of the impact it's had on racing but at least I can get a decent bet on |
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The only way is to use betting shops far and wide apart and have some trusted friends who can bet to smaller stakes that fall below individual company notification limits
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They also love antepost NRNB mugs who give their value away even before the race has been run.
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Where as i am a tenner e/way punter, a max bet for me is £50 win or £25 e/way, i couldn't dream of staking more. I always follow this forum, there is some real good info on here and sharing opinion is the way forward in my opinion of course
 , but i always back the price wise horse, i always bet the value and the only bets i ever play on a day to day basis is the filthy e/way, usually there is more than 1 to back in them races, but i've won a fortune (to me) from doing them, heck if there is more than one filthy e/way race a day, i will have a few permed doubles and trebles also. If i have a bet in any other race, it is only them the night before where i can clearly see value or if a particular horse is taking all the money in a particular event. The last couple of times ive backed a 20/1er night before thats gone off fav and finished 2nd.I guess it must just be my level of staking, but i have never ever have been restricted nor closed down by anyone, in fact quite the opposite, B365 even give me a free tenner every Saturday as a loyalty bonus  ! And i have taken more than £600 off them in the last 2 months! |
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Everyone talks from their own experiences if thats yours then fair play and well done Seathestars
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STS1 - it's exactly your staking strategy that keeps you below the radar.
I didn't mean to be derisory when mentionung the fiver e/w mugs and apologies is this reference has offended, I was for years the same and only in later life and increased earnings have I had the chance to move to higher stakes, the fact is that when I was playing for fivers and tenners I never got refused a bet because I was never going to take more than £100 off them in a good day, after one or two decent days where I took a couple of grand or so I found I could no longer have £200 on a 4/1 shot, max bet £20 !!! And I know they talk to each other, I took Hills for a bundle on cricket during the 2006 World Cup where their focus was on football, they closed me down so I opened up an account with another high st bookie, had 2 cricket bets (and one of them lost !) and they closed me down ! |
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365 are one of the best to be fair. Took over 30k off them before they shut me down. Vic Chand was about 20k across 2 accounts before they closed them both on the same day. What I couldn't understand was the restrictions from Badbrokes and Wills before I'd even made a profit?
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Looks like its menorah, laddies at 16/1, never mind, i was going to back this this week though i do not have the funds to do so tomorrow morning, i will just have to take 12s (i hope) on Friday instead. A little annoyed with myself no for not backing this before Saturday. (i done Cue Card instead as my weekly antepost bet in this race)
But am not frustrated, instead of a tenner e/w to balance my book i'll have 12.50e/w on it if i can get 12s, should still beat the sp on 13th March quite easily. |
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I agree about Pricewise affecting the markets and while he is successful it will continue. His AP picks though this year are woeful and that includes Oscars Well. Anyway regarding Saturdays, I've started backing my fancy for the big race on the Friday night. Absolutely sick of getting up on a Saturday morning and finding Pricewise has sunk my price.
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thieveslikeus
30 Jan 12 21:54 should be banned by who? should have been first reply and end of thread |
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Where i agree with this thread and the reasoning behind it i only do loosely. The firms always tighten up the antepost lists as time gets closer to the event anyways. It is up to us gamblers when we make our play on any particular event/selection and to make that bet carefully and skillfully to try and gain the best advantage and value/price.
I do see firms using price wise as an excuse to do this, but they have started to not do this for any other reason. Every year they have done it, there fore i think it very unfair to just blame price wise. If you look through every year for the last, well since time began, bookies have tightened their lists around about the last week of each month and then once into February they will tighten one or two selections per race on a weekly basis. Nothing to do what so ever with price wise in my opinion, just timing. I do fully expect however, having said that, that one or two firms will push Cue Card back out to 10/1 and Alf out to 6s, depending upon of course what happens on here in the coming days. With Menorah's price contracting on here, i expect both CC's and Alf's price to come out a point max. |