Soux Les Cieux Novice Hurdle

No Thoughts, maybe not many saw race as Weds afternoon.
Looks to have big future surprised he hasnt been mentioned on this forum yet?

yup, nice horse, price told u how good it was and just look who beat it on its last start in france now in the same stable!!


serious horse!

I didn't see the race but Willie Mullins certainly wasn't hiding anything. He thinks this horse is a beast. Royal Bond possibly his next run.

Impressive. Very nice horse for sure

A potential star emerged at Fairyhouse today when Ruby Walsh steered the Willie Mullins trained Sous Les Cieux to a devastating win in the Fairyhouse Membership 2012 Maiden Hurdle.

Walsh, who was himself completing a treble on the day, held the son of Robin Des Champs up in the early stages before letting the French bred gelding saunter to the front from two out. The gelding then relentlessly galloped to most impressive hard-held six and a half lengths win over reasonable performer and bumper winner Rourke’s Cross.
Afterwards Mullins, himself completing a double, stated “Sous Les Cieux shows a lot at home and while he is still a bit novicey, he’ll be a better horse in a race with more pace.

“He’ll have no trouble coming back to two miles and we’ll have to see where we go now next – I’d not be afraid to bring him anywhere and he’s entered in the Royal Bond and we’ll have to have a think about that.”
Sous Les Cieux subsequently received a quote of 20/1 for both the Neptune and Albert Bartlett Novices Hurdles at the Cheltenham Festival from Stan James bookmakers.

Good performance again today, could be top drawer!

Very impressed with him. Travelled like a dream.

but could the runner up beat him at ch?

^ Very possibly in my opinion.

For all that he travelled really well and looks a very smart horse, I thought he flattened out a little close home. That said, we haven't really seen many very smart performances from 2m novices this year (especially this side of the Irish Sea).

I thought SLC was a big horse who was still not yet at his peak, yet still had enough to hold on. Think there is a lot more to come from him. Couldnt disagree the winner might be better suited to better ground at Chelts though.

Successful trainer Willie Mullins said: "He exceeded what I thought he'd do and he had to do it the hard way as he took it up a good bit out.
"He enjoyed his jumping and I'm happy that he'll improve from that. He's very light-mouthed but other than that he's uncomplicated.
"We'll look forward to his next run now and we'll see how he comes out of this. He could go for the two miler at Christmas or we could wait for the Deloitte & Touche.(- WHICH IS OVER 2m.2f - in Leopardstown).
"I'd imagine he'll stay further but at the moment we're happy over two miles.
"The ground was pretty tacky today but he handled it and I think he'll go on good ground as well."


Meanwhile Dermot Weld said of Galileo's Choice: "We'll wait for the spring with him now.
"He'll get one run before possibly going to Cheltenham for the Supreme Novice.
"I'm delighted with the way he kept at it today and that was an outstanding novice hurdle."

Both looked decent prospects on SLC for Supreme and Neptune @ good prices,think given more of a lead would be even better, as was left in front quite a way from home,has speed and stamina and jumps well.
Prefer Supreme personally with ensured fast pace?

Agree stevo...have a feeling Willie is thinking 2 miles as well, despite most people saying he wants further.
Had them all off the bridle turning in the other day.

2 winners have come from his maiden stroll win so far.
Hoping he will go for Supreme as forgot have him doubled up with Fly
as well as the singles, hope not kiss of death?

Mullins stated in Post Sunday,will stay at 2 miles next time but not yet decided where to go next?
Lets hope he stays at 2 miles is my preference for Festival though back in 2 miler and Neptune decent prices, so have aly option closer to meeting,knowing Wille night before dec time! lets hope he makes it there looks very good so far.

if hes sticking to 2 miles now then hell surely stick to 2miler at festival esp fact its such a tough 2miles

Hope so J, bit it is Willie Mullins?

that Galileos Whatever could be very smart - get him on good ground

110 or so on the flat? Group winner was he? Will not be opposing him lightly

Be careful assuming 2m as similar horse and profile to MDH who showed loads of speed at 2m and raced at 2m only to step up to 21/2 at the festival.Although Mullins had Hurricane Fly in supreme that year who he thought was cert!
I honestly dont think Mullins knows himself the pecking order and who will race where, as i twill depend on ground injuries jockey bookings, so id hold fire personally on this until nearer the time, otherwise its a total gamble knowing what race he goes for.

When its NRNB im going to lump on as I think he looks the real deal!

SLC has the hallmarks of a superstar. Fine looking horse who hurdles well. Intrigued to see how he will fit into Willie Mullins' team in the coming weeks. Equally intrigued as to what is the plan for MDH given that the stable has kept the faith.

Entered in Future Champions Novice Hurdle 2 miles Leopardstown on Dec27th, only 7 entered.

1/2 for that race! Cant think he should be that short myself....

It's common for Willie to run his horses over shorter then step them up in trip at the Festival, often for the first time. Don't think one should read too much in to this running over 2 m now.

Cant see this staying at 2m now.  Ground not dissimilar to what it might encounter in March and beaten fare and square in what looked a decent test.  Winner must have a chance if going for the Supreme

Will never run over 2m again imvho

Willie Mullins gave some insight into Sous Les Cieux's disappointing run. He said: "He just ran too free. There was nothing to make the pace so we had to. He'll stick to two miles and a better run race will suit him."



Interesting

Surely he will be held up off pace next time, but was still disappointing?

Looking back at this one, just wonder whether the race came to soon for him after the Royal Bond...a step up in trip and a hold up ride will see this fellow in a better light I'd say...will be interesting to see how he fares after a break and if he turns up in the deloitte you will know your fate in regards the rest of the season.

Yeah agree with that harry, pulled too hard last time .Still plenty of ability there if they hold on to him bit longer,think even faster run 2 miles would be ok?

CheltFestNews CheltFestNews
Willie Mullins plans to send the Royal Bond winner Sous Les Cieux for the Deloitte Hurdle for his next start.

Yes good news heard Mullins interview on ATR, appears Boston Bob going for Neptune.
Samain will be kept as novice so out im afraid.

Mullins normally sends his Neptune horse to the Deloitte....so interesting...like I said earlier maybe the run  came to soon after his big effort in the Royal Bond.

Thats not strictly true harry. last year he ran Zaidpour in the Delloitte and that one ended up in the supreme.

stevo1
Did he say that Bostons Bob was heading to the neptune?

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WPM interview

He also said, post Future Champions, that he felt a strongly run 2m where he didnt have to make the running would be ideal for the horse.

Bearing in mind Mullins lack of options for the Supreme this year, I think this horse will end up in that race.

Well we will see catch me...I'd say the horse is crying out for further time will tell...You will have to forgive him his last run though...but for me he had a hard race in the Royal Bond and that would be my excuse for the horse...his run in the deloitte will tell us more about the horse, who was impressive against Galileos Choice...but he now has something to prove. If he disappoints again I doubt you will even see the horse at Cheltenham.imo

Can't believe VC are a standout 25.1 for the supreme, so I had some.

Hope you are right Meadow, could look huge price if winning his next race.

This horse reminds me a bit of Zaidpour in his first season over hurdles. He looked a world beater in his first two runs but then got defeated and did not find form again until the same time next season.

The last race seems an off day with the form through Il Fenomeno and Dylan Ross along with what Mullins all said, Ruby taking a pull etc etc.  Zaidpour is a different animal at a shorter price, SLC has the same breeding of two winners from last year, with Boston Bob Neptune bound in fear of Mount Benbulben   Worth a punt.

Mount Benbulben going to Albert Bartlett according to trainer, Sint know what you saying re Soux Les Cieux also same American owner who has always thought world of this horse,next time out in will tell the tale.
As stated before if he gets bit of cover,with better pace think we can forget blip last time.
On at big prices also Mono Man and Cash and Go as back ups,chance hopefully of at least one making it to post, as race this year looks wide open. Time for bed now after 12 hr nightshift,good luck with any punting this w-end.

I definitely think he's alot better than he showed last time, but still cant see him winning a Supreme myself.

For me if the Royal Bond hasn't left its mark for the season, this horse will be better served by the Neptune...he still has to prove he can go on better ground but walsh who also thinks the horse wants a trip, thought he would go on better ground but all his form so far has been run on soft going...the deloitte will tell us whether he will go to Cheltenham and what race he should contest...he now has something to prove after looking a machine on his first 2 hurdle races...Mullins thought after doing a blinding piece of work before the future champs race that it may have affected him...time will tell but I would say if he disappointed again in the deloitte then they may give Chelt a miss I would if he were mine...lets hope he can prove his worth again in the deloitte.

Any chance Midnight Game is now 2nd fiddle to Trifolium in the owners eyes...

Step forward Sous Les Cieux.  Big race needed next weekend, and Ruby, do better, because with Nichols having jack s* in the supreme he's your No.1

Hoping for big run from Sous next Sunday hopefully Ruby gets him settled better this time,keep the faith.

9/2 looked big for Sundays race, hopefully will do the business.

You must be in love with this horse steve?? either that or your hock deep punting it...

good luck to you pal...I have to say I also like him and he didn't give his running the last day...

yeah I on too but only dipped my big toe coz I am wary of him pulling hard if they go a crawl (and they often do)

Yes Harry was very impressed with win over Galileos,hopefully something will go on at decent pace as stated before.
Think he could be very good, find out Sunday mate.

Plenty of Mullins' disappointed today. I cant see him keeping the run of form going all year.... could he be about to hit a bit of a flat spot?

bit unfair catch me - when you look at the horses beaten today pal...raptor doesn't look like he has gone on after his fall...gagewell having first run back after a layoff and inadequate trip, and the mare still has to prove herself over fences and would want better ground...lets judge him on some better types i'd say...

I reckon todays lot would be very close to the bottom of WM's barrel.

Yeah fair comments. Probably not the best bunch to judge stable form on

Think he may want a couple to run below form in a race on Sunday? lol

Still OK with him, made up alot of ground after the turn having just made a mistake at the 2nd last.  Has chances.

Any word from WPM after yest??

Surely goes for the AB after that,he's a stayer,will only improve when stepping up

Not entered...hope this helps...

...and doesnt need to improve, proven he's got the best form of any entered in the supreme over the distance

Money for Sous Les Cieux for Supreme last few days,hoping its his target but who knows maybe at 5 day stage maybe.

money dried up for sous le cieux in supreme - maybe the neptune judging by the betting

Yes Harry was getting bit excited for moment as on large prices for Supreme,who knows though with Mr Mullins.
Thought Supreme may have been easier to go close off end to end gallop, and more open than Neptune.
Anyway not long to go now cant wait to get down there. Wish you best of with any bets had.

yes and yourself pal has been a good thread...well looking at the races I would say the neptune is weaker in regards depth...but like you say who knows with mullins...to be honest I really fancy one strong in the albert so as soon as I am certain he is going the neptune route we will be getting out the artillery...be lucky any strong fancies steve?

In Paul Jones guide the owner is quoted as not wanting to take on Galileos Choice on good ground (Good to Soft??)
Mullins interviews seem to suggest Supreme runner every time, although he was disappointed with the LTO, recognised that he went quicker than anything else trying to catch Benefficient.

If Boston Bob went to the AB (unlikely, I also think Mount Benbulben will reverse the form) then its possible to go to the Neptune.

The lower odds in the Neptune may suggest that there is less in depth.

I've got Sous Les Cieux at 33EW before the royal bond and followed up with 25EW before the deloitte for the supreme and still fancy the horse as having the best form of the entries, he's lined up in every trend race going..

Who's Ruby riding in the supreme?

Interesting - I don't think he is quick enough over his hurdles to be a supreme horse myself and when ridden with restraint last time he proved to me he wants further...listen fair enough you want a run for your money but I would be surprised if he went the supreme route but like you say ruby hasn't got a ride unless, if by chance dermot weld put him up on galileos choice who is amateur ridden at present...who knows its very difficult with mullins.

No-one yet as Davy Russell will presume ride Midnight Game.Also Mullins may run 2 or maybe 3, Ruby on one of them.
Hopefully Sous.

Have backed Boston Bob for Neptune 8s and win any race think was 9/2 with Billies about month ago form boosted in week, looks strongest Irish novice form.
Mount Benbulben in Bartlett at 16s could be nice position?

I have same for Mount Benbulben :-) missed out on the skybet 16.1 Simonsigg for the neptune due to all the supreme chat shenanigans, learned a lesson there.

Maybe Alllure of Illusion is progressing nicely and Ricky Ricci fancies a runner in each race rather than them take each other on?

Hope you're right CCM, I really fancy both of them! Sous Les Cieux in the Neptune is the classiest imo with three Grade 1 runs already.

And I'll be digging out my Imagination album if Illusion goes well in the opener!

Maybe CCM, although Mullins mentioned Terminal not Allure Of Illusion in the recent RP interview as a possible along with Sous Les Cieux and Midnight Game.

i think he will go to the neptune and win the neptune.

Looking like Neptune if markets correct with Boston Bob going Bartlett route, luckily have backed both in win any race market with Hills. personally think Boston Bob would win either race.

Yes...markets suggesting it's Neptune bound....would have a BIG chance in my book...Mullins obviously thinks so. Boston Bob a huge chance in the Albert Bartlett too

well had to happen imo...sous les cieux has a good chance in neptune and bostons is a certainty in albert bartlett...so the right decision by mullins here for me.

steve sorry for you looking ay your bets...chin up

No probs Harry on Boston Bob win any race 9/2,also backed for both so will lose little bit on one as layed back. Sous was on too big after 1st run in Ireland, looked very good poor field though and followed since not lost the faith.  Supreme single, had crossed doubles with him and The Fly long time back, so still looks ok.
Best of luck for next week.

no decision on BB as yet

^Thats key here, imo

Any updates where going with forecast as in not much rain forecast may go in Supreme now? As will be running on potentially softish ground of week, as will get faster as week progresses? Unless forecast is wrong.

no none - neptune 10's on i'd say...60 for supreme

Most probably Harry hope you have good few winners mate, been good to read your opinions on here.
What is your bet of meeting? Mine is Boston Bob would worry slightly that if going Friday ground maybe too quick, but they seem to think will go on good ground like all very good horses should.

well steve I think bostons will win and is a banker...

have been studying the kim muir very hard for 2 weeks now as like amateur races...sad i know...but have backed becauseicantsee very heavy for me and he is my nap at 16's...have had him down for this for a couple of years as like to do that with horses...

he will win...

yes enjoyed the thread and have a small wager on the horse for neptune but not sure he is up to it so who knows

Ok matey must have squeak as appeared numero 1 for stable at start of campaign, but lot of water under bridge since then,think he will be more suited to gallop/faster pace at Cheltenham.
Checked out Becauseicouldntsee from other post when sifting thru race,has good chance have had some as well 16s e/w,proven course form in the 4 miler seems to slipped under radar a lttle. Good luck and enjoy next week.

yes the becausewecantsee beast will love it...

be lucky pal

yes still like sous le cieux and race will have cut up badly if bostons goes the other way...just hope walsh drops him out like last time and he can go well just not sure how good he is...not a pocket talker pal so don't mind picking the bones out the horses i have backed...

the case is still unsolved

"Mark Your Mark and Sous Les Cieux will run in the Neptune Novices" - Mullins.

Yup Catch both appear to have decent chance, followed Sous since start of season so hope he can win it, as have nice single and double with The Fly at 9/4. Downside also backed in Supreme at bigger prices, but at least getting run think will go close.
Savers Monksland 14s and Simonsig win any race 11/2 good while back with Billies, so hoping for return on race.
If Ruby gets him switched off and ridden bit more closer to pace, think will run huge race!

10.1 saver no fun

And likely BB to the AB to try and feck up my MB

Yes Meadow i know mate, luckily did Boston Bob win any race @9/2 so nearly compensates for my 16s on Mount Benbulben. Boston Bob should get 2s on day maybe have saver mate,think between the 2 of them.