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Cheltenham Festival
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Drifting badly today.......
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backed into 5,s from 6,s with paddys today
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no money up on here to be laid!!!!!!!
better not be out!   im never backing antepost again waste of time and money. |
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There's no money about to lay anything really, think it's that the dec's are tomorrow. He shortened today in the bookies.
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ok thanks fingers crossed.
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3 quid at 9s then back down to 13/2...nothing to worry about. Just someone trying to get a bigger price.
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He only got backed in the first place because of the 'hype' about his improvement and well being.
Combine the factors of people laying him because of the fast ground we will be getting, Kalahari King being put up by WisePrice and Somersby being announced as a possible for the race and that's enough for him to drift at least two points. |
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I think he's a great bet, 3 defeats in the past year
He was 2nd to Golden silver over 2m in a grade 1 He flopped in the ryanair last year because they ran him 2 1/2 week before the race and the long season caught up with him He didn't stay the 3 miles of the Punchestown Gold Cup Other than that all 1's |
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15s now??
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Must be concern over the ground..
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I can't understand why people overcomplicate things. The horse doesn't race to it's best on anything other than a bog. We won't be geting sloppy ground at the festival. Visa Vie he won't win and will do exremely well to place.
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vis-a-vis
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 TY Swinia. I've never seen this spelt before. Could have checked first, but I took a poor value risk. |
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Think you mean Q.E.D Del Boy!
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He only got backed in the first place because of the 'hype' about his improvement and well being.
Combine the factors of people laying him because of the fast ground I grant that the ground will probably be faster than they have run on all year but Cheltenham don't allow firm / good to firm plus they'll be able to water the new course up to thursday - more likely to be dead I was there when make a stand won the champion hurdle now that was fast ground |
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Ffs everyone knows better that Eddie O'Grady it seems, who has stated numerous times that this horse is better on better ground.
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As I already said people over just complicating a very simple issue. Just trust your eyes ffs!
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If he's good enough to beat fiveforthree in a G1 Novice hurdle on Good ground then I think he handles it [;)]
Typical nonsense from people, Irish horse runs in Ireland where ground is always soft = horse only acts on soft. Weapons Amnesty and Forpadydeplasterer, two horses who need good ground but ran with credit on soft before winning at Cheltenham. When will people learn, the one thing trainers don't lie about is the ground their horses like. |
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Based on their clash in December and her run in the race last year I really cant see how Jyvole wont be very away from TC at the end yet is twice the price??.......
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Mullins was very down beat on here saying she's been disappointing this season. Otherwise I'd be a backer.
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Agree she's had a mixed season but could possibly have won in Decwember, the lexus trip was too far and gorund was like a glue pot in Thurles so would be willing to give her a chance at the price, while still having the nagging doubt that she may be gone over the top
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All 6 of Tranquil Sea's chase wins have been on soft and heavy. TS has proved he cannot win a top chasing event on decent ground. HTH
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[;)]
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I was going to reply, but I've a feeling it's pointless trying to debate with you.
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"I don’t think the conditions helped him today although maybe they didn’t inconvenience him as much as some of the others. I think he will be a better horse on better ground.”
s "I don't think he needs soft ground. I don't think the ground matters a lot to him but it might matter more to ome of the other horses in the race," he added. As CV suggests, just because they act on heavy doesn't mean they NEED it heavy. No doubt you'll still think you know more than O'Grady though! |
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Well how about this CV and I promise I won't reply to it because i'm that confident that I am right...What has changed since last years Ryanair to make you believe this horse will handle the good ground at Cheltenham any better than it did last time other than quotes from the trainer? Forget that the horse heads to Cheltenham off of the back of good form because that happened last year too. What's changed to make you believe he will handle the ground this time?
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The fact that it is well documented that Tranquil Sea performs much better having had a long break. Last year, he hadn't, this year, he has been kept fresh.
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Couldn't resist some of the 10 of offer. I'll wake up to 'Tranquil Sea Misses Festival' on the RP site (NAP)
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LOL Joist!
So your telling me that the trainer of a 3rd season chaser knows what ground his horse acts best on, but doesn't know how long a break it needs before a race  No wonder it's so easy to make money on here! |
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I'd say something like the ideal time between a race is much more about trial and error to find out than a simple case of which ground a horse favours.
Anyway, it's pretty clear you're just another wind up merchant idiot so that'll do. Throw me in the keepnet, enjoy your imaginary millions that you've won in the 1 day you've been registered! |
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Another clueless moron trying to act righteous after being owned in debate. I mean ffs, 10 is still too short for this horse if it did line up.
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Form on good or good to soft 0101000 2/7 28.57%
Form on soft or heavy 121231100211111 8/14 57.14% Both his good ground wins came after a break of less than a month. I gave up listening to what trainers say in 1973. |
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I am sorry flyingbolt but facts and stats are not allowed into this debate only quotes from trainers and large imaginations
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CV Byrnes in "I'm always right so don't bother arguing with me" shocker number 8643!
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ive just spoken to ftm who has been at towcester tonight ,seemingly its pretty certain tranquil will be a n/r tomoro..
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Ballydoyle
easily the biggest clown on this forum, the level of disdain you have harboured is impressive. Could even rival kirk. |
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Also Chelt enthusiast. Tranquil sea raced 2 1/2 weeks before he ran in the Ryanair and that race was his 5th of the season. He was over the top. That is why they have only had 2 runs this year and go there with a fresh horse. All horses should be forgiven one bad run, that's his only one is the past 2 seasons.
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Can we forgive the trainer though who knows he brings his best form onto good ground, but didn't realise Tranquil Sea wouldn't race well having run 2 1/2 weeks before Chelt?
Some people on here are unforgivably dumb! |
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He has had 3 festival runs – 8th, 6th and 9th, all within 5 weeks of a previous run.
He won the Paddy Power chase here last season, and the grade 1 John Durkan chase at Fairyhouse this season. Both wins were on soft ground, both came within 5 weeks of a prior run. Freshness does not look essential – soft ground does. But what would I know.... |
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Yes it is you who is unforgivably dumb.
Trainers learn about there horses all the time. Paul Nicholls only realised Kauto was best Fresh in late 2008. Also there are prizes to be won outside of Cheltenham, owners might want their horse to run. Look it's clear you signed up a few days ago so are probably one to add to the forum blocker as it's clear you have absolutely zero useful insight. |