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Drifting badly today.......
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no money up on here to be laid!!!!!!!
better not be out!
im never backing antepost again waste of time and money.
better not be out!
im never backing antepost again waste of time and money.
There's no money about to lay anything really, think it's that the dec's are tomorrow. He shortened today in the bookies.
3 quid at 9s then back down to 13/2...nothing to worry about. Just someone trying to get a bigger price.
He only got backed in the first place because of the 'hype' about his improvement and well being.
Combine the factors of people laying him because of the fast ground we will be getting, Kalahari King being put up by WisePrice and Somersby being announced as a possible for the race and that's enough for him to drift at least two points.
Combine the factors of people laying him because of the fast ground we will be getting, Kalahari King being put up by WisePrice and Somersby being announced as a possible for the race and that's enough for him to drift at least two points.
I think he's a great bet, 3 defeats in the past year
He was 2nd to Golden silver over 2m in a grade 1
He flopped in the ryanair last year because they ran him 2 1/2 week before the race and the long season caught up with him
He didn't stay the 3 miles of the Punchestown Gold Cup
Other than that all 1's
He was 2nd to Golden silver over 2m in a grade 1
He flopped in the ryanair last year because they ran him 2 1/2 week before the race and the long season caught up with him
He didn't stay the 3 miles of the Punchestown Gold Cup
Other than that all 1's
I can't understand why people overcomplicate things. The horse doesn't race to it's best on anything other than a bog. We won't be geting sloppy ground at the festival. Visa Vie he won't win and will do exremely well to place.
TY Swinia. I've never seen this spelt before. Could have checked first, but I took a poor value risk.
He only got backed in the first place because of the 'hype' about his improvement and well being.
Combine the factors of people laying him because of the fast ground
I grant that the ground will probably be faster than they have run on all year but Cheltenham don't allow firm / good to firm plus they'll be able to water the new course up to thursday - more likely to be dead
I was there when make a stand won the champion hurdle now that was fast ground
Combine the factors of people laying him because of the fast ground
I grant that the ground will probably be faster than they have run on all year but Cheltenham don't allow firm / good to firm plus they'll be able to water the new course up to thursday - more likely to be dead
I was there when make a stand won the champion hurdle now that was fast ground
Ffs everyone knows better that Eddie O'Grady it seems, who has stated numerous times that this horse is better on better ground.
As I already said people over just complicating a very simple issue. Just trust your eyes ffs!
If he's good enough to beat fiveforthree in a G1 Novice hurdle on Good ground then I think he handles it [;)]
Typical nonsense from people, Irish horse runs in Ireland where ground is always soft = horse only acts on soft.
Weapons Amnesty and Forpadydeplasterer, two horses who need good ground but ran with credit on soft before winning at Cheltenham.
When will people learn, the one thing trainers don't lie about is the ground their horses like.
Typical nonsense from people, Irish horse runs in Ireland where ground is always soft = horse only acts on soft.
Weapons Amnesty and Forpadydeplasterer, two horses who need good ground but ran with credit on soft before winning at Cheltenham.
When will people learn, the one thing trainers don't lie about is the ground their horses like.
Based on their clash in December and her run in the race last year I really cant see how Jyvole wont be very away from TC at the end yet is twice the price??.......
Mullins was very down beat on here saying she's been disappointing this season. Otherwise I'd be a backer.
Agree she's had a mixed season but could possibly have won in Decwember, the lexus trip was too far and gorund was like a glue pot in Thurles so would be willing to give her a chance at the price, while still having the nagging doubt that she may be gone over the top
All 6 of Tranquil Sea's chase wins have been on soft and heavy. TS has proved he cannot win a top chasing event on decent ground. HTH
I was going to reply, but I've a feeling it's pointless trying to debate with you.
"I don’t think the conditions helped him today although maybe they didn’t inconvenience him as much as some of the others. I think he will be a better horse on better ground.”
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"I don't think he needs soft ground. I don't think the ground matters a lot to him but it might matter more to ome of the other horses in the race," he added.
As CV suggests, just because they act on heavy doesn't mean they NEED it heavy. No doubt you'll still think you know more than O'Grady though!
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"I don't think he needs soft ground. I don't think the ground matters a lot to him but it might matter more to ome of the other horses in the race," he added.
As CV suggests, just because they act on heavy doesn't mean they NEED it heavy. No doubt you'll still think you know more than O'Grady though!
Well how about this CV and I promise I won't reply to it because i'm that confident that I am right...What has changed since last years Ryanair to make you believe this horse will handle the good ground at Cheltenham any better than it did last time other than quotes from the trainer? Forget that the horse heads to Cheltenham off of the back of good form because that happened last year too. What's changed to make you believe he will handle the ground this time?
The fact that it is well documented that Tranquil Sea performs much better having had a long break. Last year, he hadn't, this year, he has been kept fresh.
Couldn't resist some of the 10 of offer. I'll wake up to 'Tranquil Sea Misses Festival' on the RP site (NAP)
LOL Joist!
So your telling me that the trainer of a 3rd season chaser knows what ground his horse acts best on, but doesn't know how long a break it needs before a race
No wonder it's so easy to make money on here!
So your telling me that the trainer of a 3rd season chaser knows what ground his horse acts best on, but doesn't know how long a break it needs before a race
No wonder it's so easy to make money on here!
I'd say something like the ideal time between a race is much more about trial and error to find out than a simple case of which ground a horse favours.
Anyway, it's pretty clear you're just another wind up merchant idiot so that'll do. Throw me in the keepnet, enjoy your imaginary millions that you've won in the 1 day you've been registered!
Anyway, it's pretty clear you're just another wind up merchant idiot so that'll do. Throw me in the keepnet, enjoy your imaginary millions that you've won in the 1 day you've been registered!
Another clueless moron trying to act righteous after being owned in debate. I mean ffs, 10 is still too short for this horse if it did line up.
Form on good or good to soft 0101000 2/7 28.57%
Form on soft or heavy 121231100211111 8/14 57.14%
Both his good ground wins came after a break of less than a month.
I gave up listening to what trainers say in 1973.
Form on soft or heavy 121231100211111 8/14 57.14%
Both his good ground wins came after a break of less than a month.
I gave up listening to what trainers say in 1973.
I am sorry flyingbolt but facts and stats are not allowed into this debate only quotes from trainers and large imaginations 
CV Byrnes in "I'm always right so don't bother arguing with me" shocker number 8643!
ive just spoken to ftm who has been at towcester tonight ,seemingly its pretty certain tranquil will be a n/r tomoro..
Ballydoyle easily the biggest clown on this forum, the level of disdain you have harboured is impressive. Could even rival kirk.
easily the biggest clown on this forum, the level of disdain you have harboured is impressive. Could even rival kirk.
Also Chelt enthusiast. Tranquil sea raced 2 1/2 weeks before he ran in the Ryanair and that race was his 5th of the season. He was over the top. That is why they have only had 2 runs this year and go there with a fresh horse. All horses should be forgiven one bad run, that's his only one is the past 2 seasons.
Can we forgive the trainer though who knows he brings his best form onto good ground, but didn't realise Tranquil Sea wouldn't race well having run 2 1/2 weeks before Chelt?
Some people on here are unforgivably dumb!
Some people on here are unforgivably dumb!
He has had 3 festival runs – 8th, 6th and 9th, all within 5 weeks of a previous run.
He won the Paddy Power chase here last season, and the grade 1 John Durkan chase at Fairyhouse this season. Both wins were on soft ground, both came within 5 weeks of a prior run. Freshness does not look essential – soft ground does.
But what would I know....
He won the Paddy Power chase here last season, and the grade 1 John Durkan chase at Fairyhouse this season. Both wins were on soft ground, both came within 5 weeks of a prior run. Freshness does not look essential – soft ground does.
But what would I know....
Yes it is you who is unforgivably dumb.
Trainers learn about there horses all the time. Paul Nicholls only realised Kauto was best Fresh in late 2008. Also there are prizes to be won outside of Cheltenham, owners might want their horse to run.
Look it's clear you signed up a few days ago so are probably one to add to the forum blocker as it's clear you have absolutely zero useful insight.
Trainers learn about there horses all the time. Paul Nicholls only realised Kauto was best Fresh in late 2008. Also there are prizes to be won outside of Cheltenham, owners might want their horse to run.
Look it's clear you signed up a few days ago so are probably one to add to the forum blocker as it's clear you have absolutely zero useful insight.
This guy is a wind up, right?!
I was all over this horse last year. Will not be backing again this year after that horror show.
From reading your posts CV Byrne, as much as I admire your logic in presenting your case, you do come across as a bit of a smug character, no offence intended.
Take me as you want, you have no idea who I am, you have no idea of what I have backed/not backed, won/lost. To acuse someone as "unforgivably dumb" when it is you who does not know how to use "there" and "their" (as in "there horse") when appropriate would make me wonder who the dumb one is.....
Take me as you want, you have no idea who I am, you have no idea of what I have backed/not backed, won/lost. To acuse someone as "unforgivably dumb" when it is you who does not know how to use "there" and "their" (as in "there horse") when appropriate would make me wonder who the dumb one is.....
By the way, spot the mistake...there's a gold star in it for you
Best of luck in the Festival
Best of luck in the Festival
I post here in spite of the clueless drivel and total morons who pollute this place, 99% of them signed up in the last year to follow nicholls blog.
Personally I don't care how i come across, there's a group of posters on here who I respect and it's debate with them that keeps me here.
This forum stopped being a community ages ago, we all moved somewhere else for that.
Personally I don't care how i come across, there's a group of posters on here who I respect and it's debate with them that keeps me here.
This forum stopped being a community ages ago, we all moved somewhere else for that.
Thank you. Best of luck to you at the Festival and don't let the Forum Owner upset you. I used to look at the forum on a regular basis, now just from time to time to see if there is any inside news on any of my ante-post nags. It's the same old faces on here day after day...you stick to your guns. Incidentally, it would be a major surprise to me if Tranquil Sea won a Ryanair on good ground, beating Kalahari King, Poquelin and Somersby (if he turns up) but what do I know....
Just clear off CV. You're the only one here showing themselves up to be clueless and moronic.
and it's debate with them that keeps me here
Leaves me to wonder why bother posting on this thread with we who are not worthy?
Leaves me to wonder why bother posting on this thread with we who are not worthy?
It's probably CV's bad attitude that has made the good posters find somewhere else.
some horses just don't fire at the festival.
I think Tranquil Sea has been well beat 3 times,
well fancied on every occasion.As for the ground
he acts on good but best runs on s/hvy.
GL
I think Tranquil Sea has been well beat 3 times,
well fancied on every occasion.As for the ground
he acts on good but best runs on s/hvy.
GL
Is it me or are the threads getting more nasty.
Is festival fever to blame??
As for Tranquil Sea,imo he needs the ground soft to beat the horses that will line up next week.Albertas,Poquelin and KK all like good ground and TS cannot beat those unless the ground goes against them.
Is festival fever to blame??
As for Tranquil Sea,imo he needs the ground soft to beat the horses that will line up next week.Albertas,Poquelin and KK all like good ground and TS cannot beat those unless the ground goes against them.
That's what happens with an unmoderated forum. This is the only forum I can think of that is unmoderated and this is the result. I probably need to just block more people really.
But I think you're post shows what people should say, "in my opinion he needs soft". Not speaking in certainties.
But I think you're post shows what people should say, "in my opinion he needs soft". Not speaking in certainties.
Just to throw another opinion into the mix.
TS has had 13 chase starts.
His form figures for the months of Oct/Nov/Dec read 1511211
His form figures for Feb/Mar/Apr/May read 562196
His February victory was at odds of 4/6.
TS has had 13 chase starts.
His form figures for the months of Oct/Nov/Dec read 1511211
His form figures for Feb/Mar/Apr/May read 562196
His February victory was at odds of 4/6.
I watched Cattermole on ATR covering the Irish angle at lunchtime and there was no mention - other than him saying with the ground drying M Cattermole thought TS would be a doubt for the ryannair. This of course waouldnot square with the trainer's view (notwithstanding the form history) that he'd be better on good ground. I suspect unless we hear something it is speculation (including the panellists at the towcester preview night - see mayweather's thread) that he maybe taken out because of faster ground expectations.
Has anyone seen any confimation or otherwise from the trainer that the horse is ok, the silence is a bit worrying.
horses dont drift 10 points like this did last night,because a few people think it wont like the ground.only someone who thinks or KNOWS it aint running put them prices up
You may be right...it's trading around the 10.5/1 mark on BF a the moment....so it's recovered from the spike last night...hopfully some positive news at the delaration stage tomorrow
CV the only thing that needs moderating is your attitude. I hate having to argue the toss with someone about something that is patently clear to see. Worse than that, when that person can't stand being wrong they start with the 'holier than thou' b0ll0x.
Just be adult about it and accept that you were wrong.
Just be adult about it and accept that you were wrong.
As an aside the betting on here indicates it's back to plan A re Somersby. Hope so !
Somersby is out to 18/1 on BF but still appearing short on most books...hope it all becomes clear tomorrow...Ok for you maybe chaplins but some of us are on ante post...though at the time it was only because it was a clearly stated target - this race has a habit of being a nightmare antepost..
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