dwm I am assuming you have layed the horse as you are so convinced it will get beat. What price have you layed it at. I would like to back the horse...What price would you like to lay me???

perhaps HF will win without getting up the hill - not like it has n't happened before. [;)]

Could somebody please name some horses that have NOT  took to the festival 1st time ?
thanks .

Just watched his Punchestown win again on the youtube link, after the race it was announced that Lads cut him from 10/1 to 5/1 for 2011 Ch Hurdle.
Now that was just a snapshot of the market and there may have been better but he is still that price now after showing more consistency,durabilty,speed,and versatilty over this season than was evident then. Not sure if any of his rivals can make anything like that claim but they have all shortened,some significantly (not sure about Binocular's price pre season but suspect slightly bigger than now)

Solwhit is not onepaced,he was made to look so by a special horse.

prior to last years champion,in wich solwhit clearly didn't give his running due to an interupted preparation,he was cleaning up most of the gd 1 hdles in ireland.

FFS will people stop going on about what a 2m superstar Solwhit is.

Even his trainer has given up believing he's got enough speed to even be ENTERED in a champion hurdle.

Mopping up soft-ground small-field weak grade 1s in Ireland. yawwwwnnnnn.

Could have been a decent thread,but totally ruined by some ridiculous comments.

VIDUKA - Of course I haven't laid the horse...yet!! Only a mug would lay him at his current price given that all the little boys on here will be falling over themselves to back him in running at 1.8 as he cruises approaching the 2nd last!

I'll stick up 1.8 unmatched as they jump away and watched the clueless f**kers mop it up!

Can't believe some of the rationale being used to oppose Hurricane Fly! I'd echo what TJ, CV (particurly on the Champion Hurdle thread), Evra and Rondetto are saying - think this horse is a superstar and will be betting accordingly.

The Solwhit thing is boring. As others have pointed out, what horses have Peddlers Cross or Menorah beaten that would get next or near Solwhit?

The Cheltenham hill. The horse hasn't even ran at the course, yet won't win because of the course!? What? Binocular won the Champion Hurdle, beaten twice previous when popular opinion was that he didn't get "up the hill". Punjabi beaten twice - Came back to win a Champion Hurdle. Sublimity beaten in a Supreme, came back to turn over the reigning champ Brave Ince, and dual champ Hardy Eustace.

Montjeu. Irrelevant. Won in the dark was third in the Triumph, Blue Bajan and Noble Prince have both run well in the County Hurdle. I don't think it was the fact that they were sired that got them beat though. It's a stat - but an irrelevant one.

nowadays^

None of them with the possible exception of Dunguib would get anywhere near a Churdle victory imo.

He could be a superstar i would say that,but his Irish form dont say that,he has to do what he has been doing in Ireland on Tuesday.

In Ireland he's won on good ground, soft ground and heavy ground; he's won over 2m - 2m4f and in races run at a crawl and at a good lick - he's delivered under all those conditions.

Last time out Katie Walsh went hard from the front all the way on Thousand Stars, yet still couldn't get him off the bridle. An inch of reign, a little slap on the neck and away he went.

The race before it was run at a crawl, some 20 seconds slower than standard, yet still won in the same manner.

I don't think he's got any negatives; he can handle everything thrown at him.

He's good enough to run in group races on the flat. Class act.

If he tracks Binocular, then his toe will quicken past that one and Binocular won't be able to quicken again to go with him.

ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMM

Look, my original point was not that the hill would beat Hurricane Fly (although I was tempted into the argument), it was that despite how good you all seem to say he is, what a superstar he is, he's never been round Cheltenham, and you CANNOT say you know he'll handle the track, because you don't know! No one does! You're guessing he will, in much the same way im guessing he won't! I know Menorah will, and so in my book without that doubt, which can have a HUGE effect on a horse's chance at Cheltenham, Menorah rates a better bet!

What am I saying that's wrong here? I don't understand.

Solwhit very under-estimated by some!

Awful pity he misses the Stayers, was going to have a sizeable bet on him. Especially after Davey Russell said he'd only be riding him for a place. 

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Oh yes. trainer realises champion hurdle is a pipe dream so he's put in the stayers where his jockey says he'll be ridden for a place!!

lets not forget this is a horse that's won 1 of it's last 6 races!

WHAT A MACHINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We didn't know if Hurricane Fly would handle Punchestown, Fairyhouse or Leopardstown before he went there and won Grade Ones at all three tracks - So I guess his ability to "handle the hill" is a risk we'll have to take. Either the horse is good enough or not, handling the track is a non-issue as far as I'm concerned.

Congrats all who kept the faith. (especially TFM and CV)

Legend and cool as ya like Ruby, Ruby, Ruby!

dwm767
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As much chance it will as it won't!

All I meant was everyone buys in to this odd belief that Willie Mullins is anything other than an ordinary trainer and this weird sense that every decent Irish horse is clearly a superstar!

Superb day! Hurricane Fly and Quevega in singles and a double. If So Young wins tomorrow I wont need to gamble for months!(Thinly veiled "I'm waiting on a Mullins Treble")Thank you very very much Team Mullins!!

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