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Andy Stewart ''Ghizao is not good enough''
Andy Stewart ''Ghizao is not good enough''
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imo it is Bud.
I geniunely don't understand why he isn't fav, and I think that's been the best 2m performance this year. Medermit hasn't really got any stand out form over 2m over fences. I really respect Finians Rainbow and his smashing of Hells Bay must surely also put him ahead of Medermit as well. I just like Ghizao because Nicholls obviously must be happy with his jumping because he hasn't bothered to send him to Mickey Mouse chases for experience. Realt Dubh has to have a chance, but I think he may be better over further, and I can't beleive how short Starluck is after one run in a poor race. |
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Captain chris is a 2m4f horse.
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To be honest I think Ghizao, Finians Rainbow, Medermit, Realt Dubh and Captain Chris would be best over 2m 4f.
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it may turn out to be the best form,but its certainly open to debate i feel,especially as CV just said Chris is a 2 and half miler.Finians smashing of Hells Bay is also good but again we are talking about a 2 and half miler,but he did beat Medermit,although again over 2 and half miles.
Using Loosen my Load,their is also an argument that Realt Dubh has the best piece of form. Really its difficult to say whats the best form imo. |
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I'm keeping out of this.
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well Finians is a proper 2m horse as far as i have seen,he was campaigned over further last season,but werent quiet up to it at the toplevel.The drop back to 2m over fences seems perfect for him,and enables him to travel well and stay within his comfort zone.
To be honest he is the one horse in the race that i can see totally outclassing the field. |
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To be honest I agree with you Bud.
There are flaws in all the market leaders, and this year we are trying to link 2m form with 2m4f form; whereas last year the likes of Sizing Europe, Captain Cee Bee, Mad Max, Riverside Theatre etc had all been campaigned over 2m / 2m1f so it was easier to draw comparisons imo. By no means do I think that Ghizao's form is absolute standout and is head and shoulders over the others, but from what I've seen so far he does have the best form over 2m this year. I've backed him, but only small stakes because I'm finding it tough working it out. If Ghizao, Finians Rainbow and Medermit were all the same price, I would pick Ghizao, so for him to be the longest is a bonus. |
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Not saying FR cant win, but visually jumping and much sterner tests may I add Ghizao is the only winner between the two
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Fair enough Chief.
He certainly has impressed me with his jumping,i just feel that a couple of the others are better horses,but like you say its tough working it out. |
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I reckon Andy Stewarts comments need to be taken with a pinch of salt, he sees the Arkle as a bogey race for him and is probably playing down Ghizaos chances so as not to get his hopes up, especially after Tatenen the other year.
Make no doubts about it if connections didn't feel he was up to winning he'd be mopping up the prizemoney in some of the soft graded races we've been having over te last couple of months. He's still the one to beat in my opinion. |
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have a go at FR jumping,and then tip Medermit who over 2m has jumped worse!!
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Date Joined: 07 Dec 01 Add contact | Send message When: 01 Mar 11 17:45 I'm keeping out of this.  |
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i like ghizao and think he will run very well, but i dont see why andy stewart is saying this. nicholls has never publicly questioned if the horse is good enough or otherwise. maybe im looking into this more than i should but is there any chance andy would do this to get a better price?
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Someone mentioned that earlier in the thread. As we know David Johnson part owns the horse and he clearly loves a tickle now and then, I suspect he likes a bet aswell.
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has it affected the horses price much? ....il go check
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nope, not in the slightest
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Medermits jumping has improved over 2 and half miles,his jumping at the Arkle distance has not been as good,and hes even refused!! I am of the opinion that the Arkle will find him out.
Finians has run over 2m all season and largely jumped fine,odd mistake but never really affected him. I know which one i would rather have. Anyway back to Ghizao,been the best jumper i think,but dont think he will prove to be good enough. |
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id rather have ghizao or medermit over finians.
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arkles are invaribly won by staying types,not speed horses,my way de solzen,tidal bay,sizing europe recent examples
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Clutching at straws Evra?
When My Way de Solzen won the 2 miler and favourite, Twist Magic, fell early on. He went on to beat Fair Along. How weak was that race after the faller? Tidal Bay bt Kruguyrova by 13 legths, terrible race. Favourite Noland rated 135 hurdler, wasn't right and finished 3rd. Sizing Europe was/is a 2 miler and he bt Somersby who is also 2 miler. More importantly how many 2 milers and top class hurdlers didn't win the Arkle? |
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what was ghizao rated over hurdles ??
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Ghizao 135 OR.
I can only find 2 horses in ages rated 160 and they are Sizing Europe and Osana. Ran in same race finished 1st and 3rd. The next nearest is Moscow Flyer rated 151. Still looking. |
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Think Starluck was rated quite high over hurldes Brig
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Easy race to way up
1st Medermit 2nd Ghizao 3rd Realt Dubh 4th Captain Chris NH has cost FR any chance by campaigning him very poorly in small races and not given him the chance to learn how to jump at arkle pace. Medermit on the other hand has been trained perfectly for this race and has improved for each run and looked every bit a future champion on his last 2 runs,had loads in hand over a top class field last time,jumps and travels brilliantly,Ghizao is his only threat in the race,his form also stacks up,gave C Chris 10lb and a beating,Irish form not as strong and RD will be a long way behind the front 2 with CC chasing him home |
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Yes, 161, that's why I backed him. Mind you Medermit was rated 164 when he finished behind Starluck in last year's CH.
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it will be interesting to review those comments after the race.
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Can't get a bet on then though.
Finian's Rainbow was a 145 rated hurdler. If I hadn't already backed Starluck I would be backing Medermit but, as yet, I don't know what is running. |
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Although I do agree that good hurdles form has a big say in the Arkle, but atm Ghizao is the highest rated over fences, the highest RPR and the only one with CD next to his name.
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you need to look at the form again mate.Doing Realt Dubh a disservice.
use Loosen my Load. As for Medermit his best runs are over 2 and half miles,not 2m. Hes in the wrong race imo |
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FR smashed Hells Bay. Hells Bay was cantering all over Medermit when he demolished the last fence when they met, still beat him though.
As you are using form over further to back your Medermit claims,though i would do the same re FR. Mind you at least FR has actually been running over 2m all season. |
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Its far from easy,and with your attitude i fear for you.
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Hi Bud. I've already backed FR and Star. When I know what's running I will want Medermit on my side. That would give me the 3 best horses in the race. Two as savers.
Ghizao I cannot read. The Captain Chris and Surfing bit looks strange. Is CC only as good as Surfing who bt Dinarius a 109 rated hurdler by 3 lengths when beaten last time out? Also was the race in the fog at Newbury where horses coming up the middle had a massive advantage? Backspin won that day I think. AP came down the middle, it had a huge advantage. |
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its easy budd,if you cant see that Medermit is all speed after his last run then i would steer clear of this race if i were you,he is just about as solid a fav as you will get all week,will be smashed in on the day and go off around 2/1 and bolt up,the current 4/1 is still huge! get on!
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Hi mate,
Backed FR start of season,Starluck before his run,so both at nice prices.Added Realt Dubh today NRNB with sj. That will do me. Dont think Ghizao is good enough,but agree its not easy to be sure about him,but have to make a stand sometime. medermit as i have said in the wrong race imo,course i could be wrong but all i have seen of him suggests to me that he is more comfortable with his jumping over further. |
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no thanks formman.his last run was over 2 and half,are we allowed to use form over that distance or not??
cos if so,on a line through Hells Bay,FR is the better horse. if not,i belive Medermits best form over 2m is at Plumpton in a 3 runner race,something that keeps coming up as a reason not to fancy FR!! |
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my apologies,the 3 runner race was at Aintree.Their were a few more at Plumpton but not a great race.
Thats it for him over 2m,mind you what was the distance when he refused,i forget,was that 2m? |
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My take on it so far is:
Medermit Very close between him and Starluck over the best hurdler in the field. My main worry is that his best races have been over further this year, and is held by Finian's Rainbow on a line through Hell's Bay. As Bud says, I'd much prefer him in the Jewson Finian's Rainbow I have been impressed with him, especially the way he beat Hell's Bay. He wasn't overly impressive last time but I remember in September Geraghty was saying what an engine he's got and how he well he took to fences in the summer, and said he was one to look out for, at the time most people were fancying Spirit River, but Geraghty always believed Ghizao Not in the same class as Medermit, Finians Rainbow or Starluck over hurdles, I'd put him around the same level as Realt Dubh over hurdles. He has improved a lot over fences, and has always looked like a chaser rather than a hurdler. He has won well over 2m this season, but was that against 2m4f like Cap Chris, Loosen my Load etc. Starluck I'd be much more keen if he was campaigned over fences from the beginning of the season; this is too much of an after thought. There was nothing wrong with his run the other week, but there is no value at all in his price on the back of a public schooling session. Realt Dubh Noal Meade says he is his best chance of a winner at the Festival, and good performance in Irish Arkle. Not sure if he would have beaten Flat Out, but you have to stay on your feet to win. The majority of his races have been on soft or heavy ground. I don't know if he would act on good ground - I'm not saying he won't, just asking a question. As I've said in this thread before, there are positives and negatives for all of them and the 2m / 2m4 races have just muddied the waters. A couple of months ago this was looking like a poor race, but now it's taking shape and looking ultra competitive between the top 5. I was gutted about Flat Out because I would have really fancied him if he were to line up, which is why I've only recently been coming around to Ghizao. This debate will run and run until the race, similar to the Champion Hurdle, so that's my view for what it's worth. Good luck to all anyway |
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budd u must of watched a diff race to me at chelt new year as i just watched race again an medermit was going just as well if not better all way down the hill against hells bay an imo choc should of kicked him on an he wouldnt of got beat choc rode him that day 2 see if he got the trip not 2 win the race, if he is given the same ride like sandown latest it would take a serious horse to beat him
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i will have another look CD.Way i remember it,HB would have won more if not clouting the last.If Medermit was going just as well,how come he did not win after HB's mistake??
will get back to you after watching again. |
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choc let tizzard get up the inside an hells bay kicked on before he pressed the button an he didnt jump the second last well but run on well 2 line imo if race was over 2 miles m8 choc could of kicked on an put race to bed like sandown[;)]
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