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By:
Fistfulofdollars
When: 15 Mar 11 17:37
Yes well done CV and other HF supporters whose faith against the Montjeu stats were justly rewarded with a great ride too...even hough he carrie his head high! I had a good whack on peddlars who looked spot on and I did think he'dcome past again up the hill...I like Paul Townend but Ruby was th man for therace...well done
By:
Wicketd
When: 15 Mar 11 17:39
Admire your faith CV, hope you collected big.
By:
tinkler
When: 15 Mar 11 18:42
The race was obviously run at a slow pace given the very slow winning time. I very much doubt it affected
the result though it does make the form look a bit iffy.
Congratulations to all the HF backers you were proven right. My festival is over with the loss of peddlers
cross who I felt was disappointing.
By:
Wicketd
When: 15 Mar 11 19:48
You felt peddlers was disappointing yet mention it was a slow pace, which would if anything go against him? I think he ran a brilliant race, proven he has plenty of speed and battles all the way to the line.
By:
cruise d
When: 15 Mar 11 20:03
Well done CV and all H Fly backers. I was gonna back Bino on the day and in his absence I chose between Oscar Whisky and the Fly as my other bet to go with the disappointing Dunguib. I picked the wrong one! Oh well.
By:
Rondetto
When: 15 Mar 11 20:14
Now would all you fella's who criticized Solwhit, the fine specimen of a horse he is, like to step forward and say you're sorryLaugh

The one thing that came out of this that one should ever forget is the leap from novice to Champion Hurdle is as massive as it gets. Peddler's Cross wasn't quite good enough but unlike Oscar whiskey and Menorah he bridged that gap and that in itself was a brilliant achievement on both the trainers and the horses part.

Love to see him come back next year but probably he won't due to the fact if the ground was any softer he could hardly be expected to beat Hurricane Fly on ground he really loves.
By:
tinkler
When: 15 Mar 11 20:16
Wicketd
He was disappointing to me because I thought he was the best 2m hurdler since Istabraq, which he obviously
isn't. the slow pace was if anything more against Hurricane Fly who didn't settle. Given a quicker pace I think
he would have won easier and fail to see how Peddlers Cross will ever be able to beat him.
By:
Liam23uk
When: 15 Mar 11 20:18
Thought going be one those days till Fly won for me. Collected around £500 quid. Then had another winner in last to.
By:
el gato
When: 15 Mar 11 20:21
super race, terrific performances from first two............think peddlers ran into a real good one
By:
Liam23uk
When: 15 Mar 11 20:27
Thought he ran a good race always being a fan of Peddlars would have backed him if Hurricane was not running. Won me money last year. Had me worried a little bit.
By:
woodworm
When: 15 Mar 11 20:50
Great race and great result. I still think Binocular would have won, in fact the way the race was run and on the ground he loves I'm more certain than ever. Oh well thats racing!
By:
buddeliea
When: 15 Mar 11 20:53
Rondetto,
i said Solwhit is not a 2m hurdler at the top level,think that proved it today,so no apology from me.Admirable horse but needs further.hence his entry in the WH.
HF laughs at him,he had no time for laughing today.
where do you think solwhit would have finished today on his form this season?
By:
buddeliea
When: 15 Mar 11 20:55
oscar ran well today,menorah disappointing.
By:
brigust1
When: 15 Mar 11 21:24
Strange race for me. In the Supreme they were 4 seconds in front of the CH at half way and in direct comparison Al Ferof would have beaten Hurricane Fly by 4 or 5 lengths.
Not making excuses. I backed the winner as a saver and I think he would have won at any stage but not sure how to read the rest. Will have to have a re-run to compare. Odd result amongst the also rans.
By:
buddeliea
When: 15 Mar 11 21:26
dunguib lost his race before the start,very edgy and never travelled at all.too bad to be true mate
By:
CVByrne
When: 15 Mar 11 21:29
Hi Cool
By:
TheFormMan
When: 15 Mar 11 21:30
take a hike budd,your a fecking clueless idiot who has no idea!!! why dont you take up table tennis
By:
buddeliea
When: 15 Mar 11 21:33
bad day stalker??Laugh
By:
CVByrne
When: 15 Mar 11 21:34
Thanks guys, your top men.

Peddlers Cross is some horse, he is very quick too. Only horse Fly didn't leave for dead. I got Peddlers dead wrong I must say.
By:
buddeliea
When: 15 Mar 11 21:35
hi cv,nice one mate.
great race i thought,two real good horses.
bet you had a great day,good to see you survived it !!
By:
CVByrne
When: 15 Mar 11 21:43
Cheers bud, In Birmingham Airport at the moment. Long Day, but probably the best day at the track I've ever had. 4 winners and 2 placed horses. Massive win of course on Fly. I remembered that day in Leopardstown in 08 when I saw something magic in him and to have followed him since is truly the greatest pleasure I've had since Moscow Flyer. Fly has easily been financially the best horse I've followed and all I have to do is think back today for one of the best memories I'll ever have.

Hurricane Fly - Champion Hurdler
By:
Extreme Conviction
When: 16 Mar 11 00:43
Well Done CV.
By:
Harchibaldy
When: 16 Mar 11 00:55
Evra - W/D buddy with the F/C and I hope you were duly rewarded.
By:
Rondetto
When: 16 Mar 11 03:29
Buddeliea 

You ask on form where would Solwhit have finished. Obviously on form he'd have finished 3rd but as I have said before the quick injections of pace at 2 miles at Cheltenham don't suit the horse so most likely he would have run a similar race to last year, who knows?.

The fact remains those who claimed all Hurricane Fly was beating was Solwhit failed to realise just how good he is. Moderate horses don't better Champion Hurdle winners and Solwhit has dome just that. The form of his win over Punjabi and Quevega is rock solid he for good measure trounced Sublimity and Celestial Halo and Ran Hurricane Fly to a neck in the Irish Champion Hurdle with today's 4th back in 3rd.

Almost every race he has run has been against quality horses who were fit which made his form rock solid.

The fact is those who said Hurricane Fly had no chance because he was "ONLY" beating Solwhit totally underestimated the horse and failed to realize just how good Hurricane Fly must have been to have beaten him with such ease.

By the way he has always had the reputation as a horse who needs further but I wouldn't expect too much if he's stepped up to 3 miles.

His only win at 2m4f came at Aintree which is an easy track and I don't think people realize he's won 8 times over 2 miles.

Not a bad record for a horse running in the company he was keeping.
By:
Harchibaldy
When: 16 Mar 11 03:47
Agreed Rondetto - Solwhit has earned his stripes and it's annoyed me that he has recently become perceived as a yardstick! As I mentioned (in defence of Hurricane Fly a couple of days ago) on other threads, Solwhit would have been a worthy Champion Hurdler contender with a bit of cut in the ground, if he was well enough to make the Festival. Just because Hurricane Fly has his measure, certainly doesn't mean that Solwhit will NOT win many more Grade Ones.....of that I'm sure - he'll prevail over two miles as well!
By:
buddeliea
When: 16 Mar 11 06:59
Thanks Rondetto.
We just disagree,no worries.
Solwhit has been a good horse,no doubt,i just feel his best distance is further than 2m.
I said all along that HF could literally be anything,but that beating what i consider to be more of a stayer in Solwhit in ireland dont prove that.He has to come over here and do it against the top 2 milers around.He has now done that,although their is one horse thatn he still needs to face,although personally i think he would have beaten Binocular as well yesterday.
Anyway,Solwhit has been a real good horse,would'nt mind owning him!!
By:
brigust1
When: 16 Mar 11 08:45
Looking ahead and comparing with last season it looks like the Champion Hurdle next season will be fought out by Hurricane Fly, Peddler's Cross, Binocular and Al Ferof with the possible inclusion of Oscar Whisky (ran a blinder in a slowly run race on quick ground), So Young (if he bolts up today), Spirit River (almost certainly)and maybe Menorah (ran below form, given another chance).
By:
sizing armpit
When: 16 Mar 11 10:46
great day at the festival yesterday. HF did me proud, two close seconds and quevega made it hugely memorable. was sorry for peddlers cross as I think hes some horse, but HF just looked different to all the others. his head bowed down in the parade and prelims made him look like a bull. he was once referred to "as a rat of a horse"..lol.  GL for today to all on here.
By:
Brooksielad
When: 16 Mar 11 11:00
Al Ferof will be in the Arkle
By:
ReaseHeath
When: 16 Mar 11 23:06
Just back from my two days down there. Want to add my congratulations to CV and the other backers for their faith in an absolutely fabulous racehorse.

And commiserations to those of you who supported the admirable Peddlars Cross - he would have been an admirable winner of many recent renewals, just ran into a superstar.
By:
buddeliea
When: 17 Mar 11 07:29
I just hope that all those who knocked Peddlers all season will now admit that he is a darn good hurdler at 2m,and does indeed have the required speed.

Looking back on the race after a couple of days,i really think Maguire should have gone a bit earlier,maybe still would not have won,but he just may have made it a bit uncomfortable for HF to stay on the bridle as long.The pace of the race suggests that he should have imo.
Having said that i take nothing away from the winner,and it could be that PC could have never beaten him whatever Maguire did.
PC did us proud anyway,great horse,and look forward to seeing how how far he can go in this game.
By:
Rondetto
When: 17 Mar 11 07:44
Funny old game racing if Hurricane Fly had not been there Peddler's Cross would be an unbeaten easy winner of the Champion Hurdle. The fact he would have been unbeaten would have had the media telling us he was one of the greatest hurdlers ever seen.
By:
brigust1
When: 17 Mar 11 08:08
Agree with Budd about the pace of the race. Compared with the Supreme Al Ferof would have won by 4 or 5 lengths.
They were miles behind the Supreme pace at halfway and it turned into a bit of a sprint.
Hope they both turn up next year and Binocular runs. Something to look forward to.
Budd I dont think I knocked PC but I have to admit after what Philip Hobbs said about them being the lowest rated Supreme winners I didn't think he or Menorah would win, partly right and partly wrong.
PC is a gutsy tool though. Count how many times JM hit him before Ruby picked up his stick.
By:
Rondetto
When: 17 Mar 11 10:07
The difference between good horse and Champion Hurdle horses is their ability to adapt and quicken of any pace.

The fact the race was not run to suit Peddler's Cross hence JM had to get in about him but it just shows how good he actually is.

I know it's only an example but no matter what the pace had been Al Ferof wouldn't have gotten near the front 2 despite what the times may indicate.
By:
Paul4
When: 18 Mar 11 00:05
CVByrne..... would just like to congratulate you (and others but you being the main one i've debated with lol) and say "you were right" :D i didnt say he had no chance, but i was sceptical.... glad you had a decent win on him, was as impressive as ever! only right to applaud it having doubted for so long. good luck rest of the week
By:
buddeliea
When: 18 Mar 11 14:01
Something that no one seems to be mentioning,is the rather unplanned prep that PC had going into the race.
How much difference it would have made if things had gone to plan,is of course open to question,but imo it is a fair point to be made.
By:
TheFormMan
When: 18 Mar 11 14:14
Hmmmm,even after his very easy win in the CH Hurricane does not seem to be getting the respect that he deserves on these threads
By:
dermo79
When: 18 Mar 11 14:23
keep grasping at straws Buddleia, run the race 100 times with varying tactics and the Fly would still win, he travels jumps and has guts, super horse...Peddlers a hell of a horse too though but he ran into a superstar on tuesday
By:
CVByrne
When: 19 Mar 11 01:06
Thanks Paul. It's been a magical week.

Also bud, Fly would beat Peddlers every time they meet. He's just one of those horses who can win no matter how the race is run. McCain said Peddlers tired in the final 20 yards of the race, so Fly out stayed him too.

Fly was just too quick, too tough and had too much stamina. He is the perfect Champion Hurdler and the best since Istabraq.
By:
Masterminded
When: 19 Mar 11 01:14
Well done CV and Hurricane Fly backers. What a performance. Was only one horse I would ever back after Binocular wasn't declared. Truly magical. Would have loved to see Binocular vs Hurricane Fly!
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