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Is this some sort of joke ?
5 French qualifiers and 2 Irish ? Half the field could be French trained horses we know nothing about........and nor will the handicapper. How is this going to create interest and increase turnover ? You couldn't make it up. |
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Astonishingly, it's all true.
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What is the point in the qualifiers anyway when all you need to do to qualify for a potential run at the festival (H'Cap depndant obviously) is run in 1 qualifier. You could finish 50l plum last but if still qualifies you to run at Cheltenham. Pointless !
Would be more beneficial under these qualifying rules to stage all the qualifiers at small provintial tracks. Give more chance of good horses running at the smaller tracks. |
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Fair enough maybe 1 overseas race in France...but 5 ? Surely must be incorrect.
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Watch for anything in green and gold starting off at the back and staying there.
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3132,
Just to reconfirm the the dates of the (16) qualifiers for 20010/11 are... ENGLISH.....(9)... 15th October at Cheltenham, 1st November at Kempton Park, 19th November at Exeter, 4th December at Sandown Park, 26th December at Wincanton, 15th January at Warwick, 26th January at Huntingdon, 10th February at Carlisle and 19th February at Haydock. FRENCH.....(5).... 7th November at Auteuil, 20th December at Cagnes sur Mer, 9th January at Cagnes sur Mer, 16th January at Pau, 4th February at Pau, IRISH.....(2).... 9th January at Leopardstown, 30th January at Punchestown, |
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You don't have to run in a qualifier - you only have to enter one
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15th October at Cheltenham,
1st Amber Brook (IRE) N A Twiston-Davies P J 2nd hd King Ar Aghaidh (IRE) C E Longsdon Peter Carberry(7) 3rd 2 ¾L Raslan (GB) D Pipe Danny Cook(3) 4th 2 ¼L Battle Group (GB) D Pipe A P McCoy 5th 2L Barnhill Brownie (IRE) P J Hobbs Giles Hawkins(5) 1st November at Kempton Park, 1st Working Title (IRE) N J Henderson B J Geraghty 2nd 3L Backbord (GER) Mrs L Wadham D C Costello 3rd 29L Tasheba (GB) N J Henderson David Bass(5) 4th 8L Maraafeq (USA) Miss V Williams A Coleman 5th 7L Always Bold (IRE) D McCain Jnr Henry Brooke(7) 7th November at Auteuil, |
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Don't think that's correct, Bobby.
I think you either have to run in one or be declared to run in a qualifier which is abandoned. |
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JUST ENTER ONE !
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Unless the qualifier is abandoned entering one does not qualify you for the final.
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Flyingbolt / Headmaster - agreed, had a horse who ran in one, but checking back we were eliminated from our qualifier which also qualifies you.
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Grands Crus (12) , Barafundle (14) , Kilcrea Kim (16) , Lush Life (16) , Barwell Bridge (20) , Buena Vista (20) , Cross Kennon (20) , Duke Of Lucca (20) , Viking Blond (20) , The Betchworth Kid (25) , Arcalis (33)
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Grands Crus (12) , Sivota (12) , Barafundle (16) , Chartreux (16) , Lush Life (16) , Son Amix (16) , Summit Meeting (16) , Across The Bay (20) , Alfie Spinner (20) , Ashkazar (20) , Barwell Bridge (20) , Buena Vista (20) , Duke Of Lucca (20) , Gwanako (20) , Kilcrea Kim (20) , Mobaasher (25) , Viking Blond (25) , Arcalis (33) , Cross Kennon (33) , Sangfroid (33) - Others 33 or more
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7th November at Auteuil,
1 Le Jonchet (FR) 23/10F 6 10-13 J-P Gallorini — 2 ½ Gris Courteillais (FR) 17/2 7 10-7 M Rolland — 3 1½ Prince Du Pin (FR) 14/1 5 9-11 E Lecoiffier — 4 8 Yellowman (FR) 36/1 6 10-6 Robert Collet — 5 2 Overlord (FR) 53/1 5 10-6 F-M Cottin — |
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19th November at Exeter,
1 Superior Wisdom (IRE) 15/2 10 10-8 Alex Hales 125 Will Kennedy 2 nk Le Beau Bai (FR) 6/1 7 11-1 Richard Lee 137 Giles Hawkins5 3 25 Ernst Blofeld (IRE) 6/1 6 11-0 t Donald McCain 131 Jason Maguire 4 8 Sangfroid 4/1 6 10-11 Nick Williams 128 * * Daryl Jacob 5 2½ Synchronised (IRE) 9/1 7 11-9 Jonjo O'Neill 143 * * Richie McLernon3 |
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4th December at Sandown Park,
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9th January at Leopardstown,
1st Across The Bay (IRE) 9-13 (Scotch Piper Syndicate) (Time 6:18.2) (Morning price: 25/1) SP 20/1 Tote Win €40.60 Place €7.20 Noel Meade D J Condon 2nd 1 ¾L Son Amix (FR) 10-0 (Whitechurch Stud Syndicate) (Time 6:18.6) (Morning price: 10/1 9/1 10/1) SP 8/1 Place €2.40 Thomas Cooper B J Cooper(5) 3rd 1 ½L The Bishop Looney (IRE) 10-0 (Looney Bishop Syndicate) (Time 6:18.9) (Morning price: 12/1 11/1 10/1) (Opened 10/1) SP 8/1 Place €2.30 T J Nagle Jr D J Casey 4th 2L Sivota (IRE) 10-9 (Second Go Syndicate) (Time 6:19.4) (Tongue Strap) (Morning price: 8/1 13/2 15/2) (Opened 7/1 13/2) SP 8/1 Place €2.40 W P Mullins P Townend 5th 2L Shane Rock (GB) 9-10 (Michael O'Flynn) (Time 6:19.8) (Morning price: 33/1) SP 25/1 M F Morris S W Flanagan 6th ½L Four Chimneys (IRE) 10-1 (T O Hogan) (Time 6:19.9) (Blinkers) (Morning price: 14/1 12/1) (Opened 14/1) SP 16/1 W J Austin A D Leigh 7th ¾L Summit Meeting (GB) 11-5 (Howard Spooner) (Time 6:20.1) (Tongue Strap) (Morning price: 16/1) (Opened 16/1 20/1) SP 16/1 Mrs John Harrington R M Power 8th 3 ½L Saville Row (IRE) 9-12 (Mrs G Galvin) (Time 6:20.9) (Morning price: 16/1) SP 25/1 Mrs John Harrington T P Treacy 9th ½L Ambobo (USA) 9-10 (Mrs Deirdre Brassil) (Time 6:21.0) (Tongue Strap) (Morning price: 8/1 7/1 6/1) (Opened 13/2 8/1) SP 7/1 Martin Brassil N P Madden 10th ½L Queiros Bleu (FR) 10-4 (Alan Potts) (Time 6:21.1) (Morning price: 14/1 12/1) SP 20/1 Henry De Bromhead A E Lynch 11th 10L The Shepherd (IRE) 10-6 (The Pet Lamb Partnership) (Time 6:23.3) (Morning price: 7/2 3/1) (Opened 5/2) SP 9/4fav Gordon Elliott P Carberry 12th 2 ½L Silk Affair (IRE) 9-8 (L Mulryan & M Fahy Partnership) (Time 6:23.8) (Morning price: 14/1 12/1) (Opened 14/1) SP 16/1 Patrick J Flynn A P Heskin(5) |
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9th February at Carlisle
1st Knockara Beau (IRE) 11-12 (Mr W F Trueman) (Morning price: 11/4) SP 10/3fav Tote Win £5.20 Place £1.90 G A Charlton Jan Faltejsek 2nd 1 ¼L Heathcliff (IRE) 10-5 (George Brookes & Family Ii) (Blinkers)SP 7/1 Place £2.70 R Lee T Scudamore 3rd 22L Political Paddy (GB) 10-0 (Rayson & Susan Nixon) SP 40/1 Place £12.20 R Nixon Ryan Mania 4th 12L Sa Suffit (FR) 11-2 (Proud To Be Scottish Partnership) (Morning price: 5/1) SP 13/2 J P L Ewart Harry Haynes(3) 5th 2L Diklers Oscar (IRE) 10-2 (The Thoughtful Partnership) SP 9/2 K Reveley J Reveley 6th 22L Companero (IRE) 11-1 (Exors Of The Late Mr W M G Black) (Morning price: 13/2 11/2) SP 11/2 J H Johnson K Renwick 7th 13L Thelobstercatcher (GB) 10-5 (Mr G A Moore) (Morning price: 11/2 13/2 7/1) SP 7/1 P Bowen Donal Devereux(3) p.u. Mr Woods (GB) 9-7 (Laumar Racing) (Morning price: 20/1 14/1) SP 14/1 Mrs H Graham Gary Rutherford(7) p.u. Soft Spoken Guy (IRE) 10-6 (Mr Scott Lowther & The Whisperers) SP 14/1 M Barnes M J McAlister |
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30th January at Punchestown,
1st Square Sphere (IRE) 10-4 (Micheal O Connell Syndicate) (Time 6:07.3) (Tongue Strap) (Morning price: 12/1 10/1) SP 10/1 Tote Win €14.10 Place €3.50 Robert Tyner P T Enright 2nd 1 ¾L Rivage D'Or (FR) 9-13 (Gigginstown House Stud) (Time 6:07.7) (Morning price: 12/1 14/1) (Opened 10/1) SP 8/1fav Place €2.10 D T Hughes B J Cooper(5) 3rd 7L Kerb Appeal (IRE) 10-7 (Olde Crowbars Syndicate) (Time 6:09.2) (Tongue Strap) (Morning price: 14/1 10/1 12/1) SP 12/1 Place €3.10 W P Mullins P Townend 4th 4 ½L Talab (GB) 9-8 (Francis G Kenny) (Time 6:10.2) (Cheekpiece) (Morning price: 16/1) SP 16/1 Place €4.70 D T Hughes I J McCarthy(5) 5th hd Prince Rudi (IRE) 10-10 (J P Prunty) (Time 6:10.2) (Blinkers) (Morning price: 14/1 11/1 10/1) (Opened 8/1) SP 9/1 |
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Sivota (12) , Kilcrea Kim (14) , Summit Meeting (14) , Barafundle (16) , Chartreux (16) , Knockara Beau (16) , Lush Life (16) , Son Amix (16) , Across The Bay (20) , Alfie Spinner (20) , Ashkazar (20) , Barwell Bridge (20) , Buena Vista (20) , Duke Of Lucca (20) , Gwanako (20) , Mr Moonshine (20) , Cross Kennon (25) , Mobaasher (25) , Salpierre (25) , Viking Blond (25) - Others 33 or more
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If the Haydock one is doubtful because of weather, expect hundreds of entries from potential runners. I do agree that the whole concept is flawed. You should need to be placed in the first 4 in a qualifier to run so eliminating the ones that have a trot round.
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15th January at Warwick
1st Mobaasher (USA) 11-7 (Seasons Holidays) (Morning price: 16/1) SP 12/1 Tote Win £17.00 Place £4.40 Miss V Williams A Coleman 2nd 1 ½L Alfie Spinner (IRE) 10-6 (Alan Beard & Brian Beard) (Morning price: 13/2 6/1 5/1) SP 9/2Jfav Place £2.20 N Williams D Jacob 3rd 2 ¼L Sangfroid (GB) 10-7 (The Bacchanalians) (Morning price: 16/1) SP 14/1 Place £5.50 N Williams L Aspell |
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19th February at Haydock...31 entered incl. VALENTINE VIC.
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Anyone know if Gwanako is qualified?
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really liked the look of Arcalis for this, trip, ground, festival form, down to 138. sadly dont think he is qualified!! howard johnson will run him in the world hurdle where he has no chance.
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Tom Cooper "I know I'll run Son Amix at Cheltenham, either in the Coral Cup or the Pertemps Final."
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Sivota (12) , Kilcrea Kim (14) , Summit Meeting (14) , Barafundle (16) , Chartreux (16) , Cross Kennon (16) , Knockara Beau (16) , Lush Life (16) , Son Amix (16) , Across The Bay (20) , Alfie Spinner (20) , Ashkazar (20) , Barwell Bridge (20) , Buena Vista (20) , Duke Of Lucca (20) , Gwanako (20) , Mr Moonshine (20) , Mobaasher (25) , Salpierre (25) , Viking Blond (25) - Others 33 or more
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19th February at Haydock.
1st Skippers Brig (IRE) (2) 12/1 Tote £15.10 £4.20 2nd hd According To Pete (GB) (6) 9/2 £1.90 3rd 19L Saphire Night (GB) (12) 20/1 £7.80 4th 2 ¾L Political Paddy (GB) (13) 16/1 |
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Chartreux (8) , Sivota (12) , Barafundle (14) , Summit Meeting (14) , Alfie Spinner (16) , Dynaste (16) , Kilcrea Kim (16) , Knockara Beau (16) , Lush Life (16) , Mister Hyde (16) , Rivage DOr (16) , Shoegazer (16) , Junior (18) , Ashkazar (20) , Buena Vista (20) , Son Amix (20) , Ackertac (25) , Barbers Shop (25) , Barwell Bridge (25) , Benbane Head (25) - Others 25 or more
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Emma Lavelle "The plan is for Pause And Clause to go for the Pertemps Hurdle Final."
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2012 Pertemps Final Handicap Hurdle Trends
Thursday 15th March - 14:05 - Pertemps Final (Handicap Hurdle) - Listed - 3m •Nine of the last sixteen winners won last time out. •There has only been one winning five-year-old in thirty-seven runnings. •Only one winner has ran out from the handicap since 1974. •Horses rated 150 or more have traditionally struggled in this race. •Horses aged between seven and nine have won half of the runnings in the last sixteen years. •Irish trained horses have won five of the last nineteen runnings. There are sixteen Pertemps qualifiers for horses to gain entry into this race so it is useful to check out the results of these. Although they are all key in getting the horses to the Festival in the first place, the Cheltenham Qualifier in October was the route last year's winner Buena Vista took last year and he qualified again this year by placing in that race. Although not a qualifier, The totescoop6 Heroes Handicap Hurdle at Sandown in February is also a good pointer and has highlighted three winners in the last eleven years. ANYone have a list of the qualifiers handy ? |
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ANOther one of the sixteen Pertemps qualifiers today CM,IYC
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Our Father (12) , Paint The Clouds (12) , Poungach (12) , Sivola De Sivola (16) , The Knoxs (16) , Buena Vista (20) , Cantlow (20) , Jetson (20) , Five Dream (25) , Safran De Cotte (25) , Across The Bay (33) , Alderley Rover (33) , Kasbadali (33) , Kayf Aramis (33) , Prince Tom (33) , Rival DEstruval (33) , Warnes Way (33)
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I hate this race. The qualifying series is a licence for non tryers. They don't even need a run to qualify for the "final" if they are balloted out or a qualifier is abandoned after declarations.
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Anyone got the list of qualifying races?
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Dates and tracks if anyone has em
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2.20 on Sunday.........(saving my 5 pointer)
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Of the whole series??
Tryin to rule out one that aint already qualified The 2 that battle out the finish are tho |