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23 Oct 10 15:42
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As i thought before the race absolute machine!
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Report buddeliea December 11, 2010 2:55 PM GMT
Menorah has the best 2m form in the race,no doubt about that.
Report Brooksielad December 11, 2010 2:58 PM GMT
beating bothy?
Report buddeliea December 11, 2010 3:03 PM GMT
winning the supreme,and greatwood with a huge weight is better than any 2m form that SC has.
Report Brooksielad December 11, 2010 3:11 PM GMT
no pace
Report eric_morris December 11, 2010 3:13 PM GMT
Report buddeliea December 11, 2010 3:14 PM GMT
2m race,SC aint a 2 miler imo
Report Somerset_Moan December 11, 2010 3:16 PM GMT

Intriquing race...

Receiving weight the winner deserved to win and, yes, the turn of foot helped...

I think jocks on both 2nd and 3rd will think they'd like another crack at him off levels with more pace in the race
Report Far From Trouble December 11, 2010 3:17 PM GMT
more pace would suit Menorah even more

SC and CC ran great races there. Menorah is a top class horse
Report Brooksielad December 11, 2010 3:18 PM GMT
pace maker goes bolting off yet the others sit there and leave silviniaco to make the pace. I knew the fate of the race before they'd turned out the back.
Report eric_morris December 11, 2010 3:20 PM GMT
SC needs further than 2m doesnt have the pace for 2m.
Report eric_morris December 11, 2010 3:22 PM GMT
Strong pace of a Champion Hurdle you can add at least another half dozen lengths to Menorah's superiority there, Menorah is going to be awesome come the Champion Hurdle.
Report buddeliea December 11, 2010 3:23 PM GMT
what did you expect Brooksie,he is a proven stayer,the others had proven speed over 2m.Race went exactly more or less as i thought it would.
Report Stake & Chips December 11, 2010 3:24 PM GMT
Still gonna go for Champion Hurdle...
Report Brooksielad December 11, 2010 3:24 PM GMT
disagree in March you'll get a real run champion hurdle.
Report buddeliea December 11, 2010 3:32 PM GMT
indeed,which will suit Menorah as much as any other.
I am sure SC has improvement but at the end of the day SC just dont look to me that he has enough pace to win a CH.
Report eric_morris December 11, 2010 3:41 PM GMT
Not true Stake & Chips are you trying to lay off by any chance? Very naughty.

Trainer is going to discuss with owner then decide where he goes, one run in Feb first, but admits Menorah just went by him in four or five strides.
Looking like Supreme if anything listening to comments.
Report Brooksielad December 11, 2010 3:44 PM GMT
supreme? cracking choice if they can pass him off as a Novice
Report Stake & Chips December 11, 2010 3:48 PM GMT
Laugh Supreme
Report Far From Trouble December 11, 2010 3:49 PM GMT
Think he was talking about Cue Card to be fair to him Plain
Report eric_morris December 11, 2010 3:52 PM GMT
Obvious I was talking about your Cue Card post S&C
Report Brooksielad December 11, 2010 3:53 PM GMT
Take a 2nd glance at the coral SC goes past the field after about 2 miles like he had just joined the race. SC has pace, but today he had to make his own pace in a clear 2nd all the way around and was just sat there ready to be pounced on by two horses that have been campaigned around 2m. It turned into a tactical farce of a race, as i say if there was true championship pace on today cue card wouldnt of been traveling like he was and menorah wouldnt of been sat where he was to make that move.
Report Stake & Chips December 11, 2010 3:55 PM GMT
I was talking about SC FFS
Report eric_morris December 11, 2010 4:01 PM GMT
Ok apologies Happy
Report Stake & Chips December 11, 2010 4:03 PM GMT
No worries Cool
Report Alvarado December 11, 2010 6:02 PM GMT
SC was clearly not good enough as was cue card menorah is a top class horse the faster the pace the better for menorah
Report gart December 11, 2010 6:07 PM GMT
the bula was a good race and would follow the front three in future, imo.
winner must go very close in the champion.
Report cyclops December 11, 2010 11:57 PM GMT
As I said, earlier in this post, and as buddleia has stressed, 2 miles is a specialist distance. SC was always unlikely to thrive over that trip at the top level, and so it has proved. A fine horse, not a Champion Hurdler.
Report Brooksielad December 12, 2010 11:37 AM GMT
"They are three great horses and on a different day I could see there being a different result - we'll get 4lb at Cheltenham and the Champion Hurdle remains his target - we'll probably look for a Champion Hurdle trial in the New Year."
Report eric_morris December 12, 2010 11:43 AM GMT
Hilarious comment from the trainer is he going to attach a rocket pack to get Silviniaco past Menorah next time?
Report eric_morris December 12, 2010 11:45 AM GMT
..basically he is saying we arent going World Hurdle as we have the best staying hurdler ever in that so he has to go the 2 miler so lets make on we have a chance in that otherwise it looks pointless ... which ultimately it is.
Report Alvarado December 12, 2010 11:49 AM GMT
lol very true eric morris how on earth can he say that menorah thrashed him menorah would beat him on 3 legs
Report buddeliea December 12, 2010 11:59 AM GMT
should wait for the hurdle at aintree,thats his game.
Report 3132 December 12, 2010 12:01 PM GMT
Agree Budd...2m 4f...flat track...perfect trip.

No need to risk going for CH with such an exciting chasing prospect for following year.
Report eric_morris December 12, 2010 12:10 PM GMT
Agree budd
Report Brooksielad December 12, 2010 12:19 PM GMT
why would he ruin a horse in the world hurdle that hasn't even fully grown yet.He was never going to run him in the world hurdle it was either the champion or aintree. Yesterday the race was ran in Menorah's favour. With 4lbs less to conceed and real pace not some tit running dog fractions from the front. Im quite confident he'll reverse the placing and then some. My opinion obviously :)
Report aka December 12, 2010 12:40 PM GMT
If he goes for the CH, the faster early pace likely in that race would possibly be a help to SC. We also shouldn't discount the possibility that the race yesterday came too soon for SC after posting a good time in his previous race, though equally the same point could be offered about Cue Card and Menorah,

The problem for SC, imo, is that Binocular won the race last March with what was more than just a staying-on performance off a fairly fast pace. Binocular travelled better than the rest and withstood the demands of the quick early pace brilliantly, but then he also was able to show a turn of foot at the end to put the race to bed, albeit on his favoured good ground. Still early days, but Menorah looks as it he might be capable of doing something similar (assuming he can cope with the fast early pace of the CH as well as Binocular did last time). My fear with SC is that he will either use up too much energy staying with the faster pace in the CH or else he will get run out of it in the closing stages, as he did yesterday, if speedy two mile specialists like Binocular and Menorah turn up in top form.

SC ran well enough yesterday and I don't think it would be a forlorn hope entering him in the CH, particularly if the ground rides a bit more dead than it did last year to suit his staying qualities. But unless he ran flat yesterday on the back of his superb run at Ascot, I am not sure he has quite enough in the locker to beat the best in what is starting to look a very strong two mile division this year.
Report Brooksielad December 12, 2010 1:05 PM GMT
Menorah beat Any Given Day 6 lengths (very tired) conceeding 11lbs
Silviniaco Conti beat Karabak 7 lengths (easily could of been much more) conceeding 4lbs
Karabak beat Any Given Day 1 3/4 lengths (Idled on run in) level weights
Menorah beat Silviniaco Conti 4 1/2 lengths (Menorah quickened to last pushed out on rail) giving 4lbs

Alan King stated he didn't think Karabak improved anymore than he had ran at Ascot so this gives the form a very solid look. Any Given Day may of improved for the extra few furlongs. So on term of what they have achieved this year, I would put Silviniaco Conti clear even though he was beat yesterday, mainly because I think the race yesterday was muddled

Taking into account all of the variables trip, course, how race was run, and looking at these two animals in terms of abilty and there improvment i can only see one winner.
Eric you mention SC is a stayer even though from what iv seen at Ascot he went past them like they wasn't there, in France he quickened nicely after the last on his first outing then same again on his last outing in France. He also didn't have much trouble putting a distance between horses at bangor on his first start over the same trip as yesterday.

Don't get me wrong he has bags of stamina but in a real run champion hurdle thats exactly what you need.
Report Brooksielad December 12, 2010 1:11 PM GMT
aka interesting thoughts, do you think it might be a year to soon for SC? Gutted he aint a novice at this early age i think a supreme is what he needs, still think he's good enough though.
Report aka December 12, 2010 2:03 PM GMT
Brooksielad, I think I probably fall a bit between the two main views that are being expressed on here about SC. I was very impressed by certain aspects of Menorah's performance yesterday, but the time of the race wasn't good enough to make it a really informative trial as far as the CH is concerned.

Given that he was conceding weight and running so soon after putting up a career best performance at Ascot, SC ran well enough yesterday and I can understand why the trainer thinks it still worthwhile to aim the horse at the CH in March. But I think it is very competitive in the 2 mile hurdling division at the top at the moment, and I haven't seen quite enough yet from SC to think he has more in his armoury over 2 miles than Binocular and Menorah (and possibly Peddlers Cross).

In a faster run race and/or if they make more use of SC,  he could still go to the CH somewhat underestimated (rather as Katchit was when winning in 2008). Even so, my feeling at this stage is that there may be a few less levers to pull with SC over 2 miles than is the case with Menorah (who is looking particularly versatile) and Binocular who sets a very high standard, imo, on the back of what he did in the CH last time. If we have a renewal that becomes particularly stamina sapping, PC would also likely be another tough nut to crack in the race.

There may be more to come with SC as he strengthens further, but at this stage he is already looking mentally mature and very professional, so that perhaps limits some of the scope for him showing further improvement as he moves away from novice status.
Report Harchibaldy December 12, 2010 3:44 PM GMT
Brooksielad - according to my calculations, Silviniaco Conti does not come out on top in theory.
I think he should target the Champion Hurdle as he only needs to improve a few pounds to be in the shake-up. It seems to have been overlooked that Silviniaco Conti is only a 4yo and furthermore, he's been shouldering penalties against proven opposition. I think the distance at Cheltenham in March will prove ideal.
Report eric_morris December 12, 2010 3:49 PM GMT
2m 4f will be Silviniaco Conti's trip there was a big clue at Ascot.

You cant fit a square peg into a round hole but as the Championship race is over 2m and the trainer has never won the race he will send him there. If he had the horses interests at heart he would be missing the Festival and going to Aintree.
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! December 12, 2010 5:13 PM GMT
Went to chelters yesterday
Horse has the stamp of a hoss who needs at least 2.5 miles

Also noted the owner
Sponsor of pn stable

Perhaps he find a nice race as reward for helping Paul

Report Brooksielad December 12, 2010 5:36 PM GMT
You went to cheltenham and because you was there he needs 2 miles and 5/8 of a miles? Ok cheers
Report Brooksielad December 12, 2010 5:38 PM GMT
2.5 my bad
Report CVByrne December 12, 2010 5:39 PM GMT
Well Nicholls has said his breeding is for 2.5 miles.
Report Steeplechasing December 12, 2010 6:14 PM GMT
So Nicholls believes SC deserves his place in the Champion, Tizzard describes Cue Card today as a 'precious talent' and Menorah is now favourite for the big race.  If all three are that good, how do we account for the proximity of Clerk's Choice who has finished within 4 lengths of SC and CC, albeit in receipt of 4lbs from SC.

Arguably, Clerk's Choice was even less suited to the pace than SC; he travelled as well as anything throughout and is the only one of them with bullet-proof form off an end to end gallop (and that includes Menorah).  The ground was also against him as he wants it fast.

If the ground came up in March as it did this year (good), and a scorching gallop looked likely, I'd be in no doubt where the value lies among the first four from yesterday!
Report eric_morris December 12, 2010 6:24 PM GMT
Good luck with that project based on that logic .. you can always make a case due to pace etc for a horse who patently needs further but in reality you are kidding yourself imo.

Also you cannot take one horse from a race to make a case to suit your argument when conditions/trip/going on the day may help a horse run to its optimum ... fatal trap to fall into but just about everyone on here does it.
Report CVByrne December 12, 2010 6:25 PM GMT
I know it's hard to know exactly what Menorah beat. SC is better over further, and Cue Card is a 4yo novice, who was having only his 5th race of his career.

Menorah still has no form with anything other than last seasons novices (from Greatwood) and a few inexperienced runners in the Bula. Favourite for March, no thanks.

Similarly with Peddlers Cross, if Binocular wasn't fully fit and I believe he wasn't a 1l victory over Starluck does not warrent 6/1 quotes.

Neither of these horses can be backed at their current prices. Plenty of other horses yet to stake their claims
Report Barton Bank December 12, 2010 6:40 PM GMT
The only reason Clerk's Choice finished so close is because of the slow pace.
Report Alvarado December 12, 2010 7:04 PM GMT
how can people come on here and knock menorahs form he absolutely murdered SC who had the run of the race and the supposed great cue card and neither can have any excuses i cant seem to get it into peoples heads the faster they go the more menorah wins by .if you actually watch the race again its  an unbelivable performance the turn of speed he showed was incredible he went past the pair of them in 3 strides and as soon as he gets to the front his ears are pricked and hes doing was a brillant win and he deserves to be the favourite
Report Alvarado December 12, 2010 7:06 PM GMT
i hope pumpkin head does run SC  hopefully he can do a proper job this time and set a stronger pace and actually give menorah a lead to the last hurdle which he was meant to do yesterday
Report aka December 12, 2010 7:19 PM GMT
CV - Yes, you would expect to be able to get a better price about both Menorah and PC as we move on to some of the other trials where, hopefully, we will see what the likes of KK, Hurricane Fly, Solwhit, Dunguib and Go Native show can do this season.

Steeple - I thought Clerk's Choice ran well enough yesterday and if he runs in the CH on better ground, off a fast pace, he would probably represent better value than his current price on here suggests. He has good form off an end-to-end gallop from his earlier run at Cheltenham, though whether it is fair to describe it as bullet-proof is perhaps more debatable.

Interesting where we are with the TS ratings for the main contenders at this stage. KK has a best TS of 165 for his run in the Bula last year; Binocular has three ratings in the 150s and a 163 for his CH win. They are a fair way ahead of most of the others on these ratings, with Menorah having a best TS of 150, PC and Hurricane Fly 153 and Go Native 152. Clerk's Choice gained a TS of 135 for his run at Cheltenham in October. Solwhit has a top rating of 167, recorded on soft/heavy ground, which is perhaps an indication of just how effective that one is with cut in the ground.

I find the strength of Binocular's TS ratings (four marks over 150) reassuring. KK looks reasonably solid on this measure too. The others have possibly a bit more to prove in terms of how well they would cope with a very searching championship pace. No reason necessarily to think they would struggle, but as we know from the past, there are always some contenders who look impressive winning off no more than a sound pace in the CH trials who then go on to disappoint in the actual CH race through just not being able to go the sustained pace on the day.

There was a lot to like in Menorah's run yesterday, but on the clock it was nothing like the pace likely to be encountered in the CH. KK's in the Bula last season was a better trial in that respect.
Report Steeplechasing December 12, 2010 7:41 PM GMT
He has good form off an end-to-end gallop from his earlier run at Cheltenham, though whether it is fair to describe it as bullet-proof is perhaps more debatable.

yes, aka, I should have been clearer - I meant bullet-proof among the four contenders yesterday, in that he was the only one who'd not only proved he could handle a hot pace but positively revelled in it, cruising home by 21 lengths.

I'm not saying he's a valid contender per se, I am saying that if yesterday's race is to be considered a solid trial (not yet proven, to my mind), then, if conditions are right on the day, he'd have a chance that would easily outweigh his likely odds.
Report aka December 12, 2010 8:02 PM GMT
Yes, I see what you mean, Steeple, that makes sense.
Report Brooksielad December 12, 2010 9:21 PM GMT
rofl what stronly run races has menorah been involved in. I'd say the strongest race he ran in was at aintree and look what happened there :S
Report Steeplechasing December 12, 2010 9:24 PM GMT
Brooksieslad, you have the advantage of me; what are you on about?
Report Brooksielad December 12, 2010 9:28 PM GMT
talking to alavadro about his the faster they go the more menorah wins by comments :S
Report eric_morris December 12, 2010 9:32 PM GMT
The trainer is likely to have let Menorah down a little when he was beaten a neck, 11 lengths clear of the rest. Also only time he has run on good ground, what I would say is Menorah absolutely loves the Gd/Sft Cheltenham ground.
Report Alvarado December 12, 2010 10:00 PM GMT
brookieslad watch that race back again  honestly he tanked his wayto the front he was going to well and got to the front 3 out which was miles too soon but the horse was just in a diffrent league to his rivals they couldnt lead him long enough and he was very unlucky to be beaten

if luck had gone his way he should still be unbeaten cos everytime hes been beaten its been a messy race with no pace yesterday was a honest even pace which is fair for everyone and whatever way u lok at it he destroyed them
Report zilzal1 December 13, 2010 12:01 AM GMT
eric_morris     12 Dec 10 21:32 
The trainer is likely to have let Menorah down a little when he was beaten a neck, 11 lengths clear of the rest. Also only time he has run on good ground, what I would say is Menorah absolutely loves the Gd/Sft Cheltenham ground.

Claisse can call it what he wants to, why is g/s been odds on before the last meetings!! it was good ground out there in march imo, just look at the times and compare them to previous Cheltenham festivals opening day times, ironically when he did stick his neck out in 2007 and called it soft it was a right balls up
Report Steeplechasing December 13, 2010 10:35 AM GMT
Timeform called the ground good on CH day
Report aka December 13, 2010 10:51 AM GMT
I am not sure the Aintree race offers many clues about Menorah, though it might. I doubt the ground on that day would have troubled him. Quite possible he wasn't fully over his efforts in the SN. But the one who beat him at Aintree is probably pretty good in his own right and may prove better over 20f, according to the trainer.

On the face of it, Menorah was beaten by more of stayer off what was a pretty decent pace. I am more inclined to think Menorah ran a little flat on the day and GM may be pretty useful when getting his conditions. However, it would be foolish to entirely rule out the possibility that some chink in Menorah's armour may have been exposed on that occasion.
Report Brooksielad February 10, 2011 12:13 PM GMT
Any news on his prep run he was ment to be having? still think he has every chance of winning the CH
Report neill d February 10, 2011 2:07 PM GMT
33?1 looks big to me, I might back him in the hope of a pace collapse/stupidly fast gallop
Report bbsband February 10, 2011 2:13 PM GMT
ladbrokes are going NRNB for this.
Think SC will give a very good account of himself.Not sure about
winning it.Looks a great chaser in the making to me...
Report buddeliea February 10, 2011 7:26 PM GMT
must admit i have had a sneaky small wager on this one,not sure hes good enough,but i like the improvers on my side at nice odds,just never know!!
Report Brooksielad February 18, 2011 10:06 PM GMT
Time to lump on then
Report seary February 18, 2011 10:21 PM GMT
what price is he for tomoras race.
Report Brooksielad February 18, 2011 10:25 PM GMT
4/1 shot, bet of the day tomorrow imo. Celestial Halo will set a very strong pace and SC will just gallop all over overturn and Mille chief I should of thought
Report seary February 18, 2011 10:32 PM GMT
Ill be having some of that!!!!! i was expecting 5/2 2/1
Report NIGHTWALKER February 18, 2011 10:37 PM GMT
agreed brooksie, massive price
Report bluebirdfan February 19, 2011 10:28 AM GMT
Back it for the CH Hurdle also, will not be 40/1 after today
Report booster February 19, 2011 10:33 AM GMT
I'd agree and think he may be the last bit of value to be had in the race. Looked top class at Ascot.
Report Brooksielad February 20, 2011 6:34 PM GMT
Don't know what to make of the run, a little bit strange they instantly scratched him, instead of forgiving him one bad run. Mccoy opens his mouth and he's off for the grand national, very strange.

Hope now they're skipping Cheltenham they give him the year off and bring him back over fences next season really looking forward to that.
Report eric_morris February 20, 2011 6:39 PM GMT
fk sake are you sure antepost is your game? A nd yes I'm sure you didnt back him (again).

By: This user is offline. booster

When: 19 Feb 11 10:33

I'd agree and think he may be the last bit of value to be had in the race. Looked top class at Ascot.
Report TheFormMan February 20, 2011 6:45 PM GMT
2012 Arkle Chase,back him now
Report eric_morris February 20, 2011 6:48 PM GMT
No Hope and Bob Hope for that (and Bobe Hope's wife) ffs.
Report booster February 20, 2011 7:46 PM GMT
You're probably right again Eric but haven't seen your congratulations for my Iconoclast tip on yesterday's 3 best bets. Sure you'll be on there later when mummy's bathed you and put your dressing gown and slippers on.
Report eric_morris February 20, 2011 8:03 PM GMT
I dont tip or read tips I just discuss relative merits/values of horses and dont care whether people back what I am backing that's up to them.

I havent finished my coco pops yet.
Report booster February 20, 2011 8:14 PM GMT
So why do you assume everyone else has backed their comments? I said he was maybe the last bit of value left in the race, not that I was going to have my max on like I did about Diamond Harry in the Hennessy and Iconoclast yesterday. You really need to get over your lack of success in your personal life and take a more relaxed view of other people's opinions. I bet you can't wait for March, mummy going down to the newsagents to buy your favourite comic and a copy of the Sun for your free 5p each way yankee at Ladbrokes. You seem like a very successful punter so might get you some spending money for your coach holiday to your favourite little guest house in Margate.
Report eric_morris February 20, 2011 8:16 PM GMT
You are a total bullsh1tter. Stick with your cluelessness.
Report booster February 20, 2011 8:17 PM GMT
And stick with your mummy.
Report Brooksielad November 25, 2012 12:36 AM GMT
perhaps not quite quick enough for a champion hurdle, but he's Damn good and  really excites me. mentioned in his hurdling days the way he jumped just made you think fences. If you get to see that Ascot run over hurdles you'll never see a horse jump so well. Kauto must be thinking, jump in my grave as quick would ya?
Report Ibrahima Sonko November 25, 2012 12:38 PM GMT
Report Brooksielad December 13, 2012 10:16 PM GMT
A lot of people have apparently been speculating on who will fill the number one box in the yard now, but we have made no long term plans.

Who knows, it could be Silviniaco Conti down the line - more of him in a minute - and I was originally in no rush to fill it.

Talking of Silviniaco Conti, next stop for him is the Betfair Denman Chase at Newbury in February.

So Conti get a run before the gold cup, at least there appears to be some sort of plan then and not just throwing him into the Gold Cup without a run which imo would of been a big negative. Conti in Kauto's box by end of March :)
Report bluebirdfan December 14, 2012 9:56 AM GMT
Right decision imo, be a good prep run. Be interested to see if Long Run turns up in that race this year, can't see it myself now
Report Brooksielad February 8, 2013 5:27 PM GMT
The Betfair cameras were down here on Tuesday afternoon filming my runners for Newbury tomorrow - see it here - and hopefully that makes for good viewing.

And, while I have several potentially top-class runners this weekend, Silviniaco Conti is my established star on show. Not that I think that he is quite the finished article yet, both physically and in terms of finding his peak form-wise.

I am told that there was only one horse spelt incorrectly when we typed up our list of horses at the start of the 2010-11 season, and that was Silviniaco Conti.

So I think a tip for owners in future might be to buy horses that are hard to pronounce, and maybe to spell too.

For some reason he is also a very hard horse to pronounce correctly. Not that I get in trouble with his owners Chris and Jared for saying it one way or the other; in fact, half of the time you find yourself half-singing the name to get it to trip off the tongue correctly.

But, enough of that nonsense - I just call him Conti now anyway - what about his chances tomorrow?

Well, he is the odds-on favourite but be aware that I have left a lot to work on. I am keen to get a run into him before Cheltenham to fine-tune him.

I purposely gave him Christmas off to have a fresh horse at this stage. So fitness-wise, he is probably in a similar place to where he was before he won the Charlie Hall, namely that he is fit enough to do himself justice but he will improve enormously for the run.

So while defeat here would be disappointing, it wouldn't be disastrous. Remember, Kauto Star only scrambled home in this race by a neck from L'Ami before winning at Cheltenham in 2007 and Denman unseated his rider at odds of 1-6 before going on to finish second in the 2010 Gold Cup.

This is a stepping stone to the big one, don't forget that.

And I see that Timeform don't have him that much clear of many of this field, even after his Betfair Chase defeat of the subsequent King George winner.

But he is in great shape generally - in fact, I said to Lorraine Morris, who rides him out daily, on Thursday morning that he looks stunning at the moment, physically the best I have seen him - and of course I hope and expect him to win, especially in Long Run's absence. I wouldn't swap him for any horse in the Gold Cup line-up.

I respect the likes of Gold Cup runner-up The Giant Bolster - and I did note Bridgey's "he won't beat us in the Gold Cup" comments in Thursday's paper - and Mail De Bievre clearly had some high class form in France . And if Menorah stays, then he is a worthy opponent after an impressive, and probably improved, win in the Peterborough at Kempton last time.

But if Silviniaco Conti is as good as we believe he is, then, even far from fully primed tomorrow, I would like to think we would be going to Cheltenham unbeaten this season.

Gold Cup winner runs tomorrow exciting times ahead
Report Brooksielad March 14, 2013 7:09 PM GMT
Big day tomorrow, can't help worrying about Nicholls form, although a few have ran well in defeat, the 2 in the fred winter and celestial Halo running well in the World hurdle. Here's hoping he goes there 100% and runs his race.
Report GoldCupWinner March 14, 2013 7:19 PM GMT
Yes need him to win but my form is worse than Nicholls so far at the festival!
Report Brooksielad March 14, 2013 7:23 PM GMT
I was staring down the barrel until beneficient won the first, just about level now. Hopefully Conti will come to the rescue :)
Report cricnut March 14, 2013 8:52 PM GMT
He's done all his winning on soft ground, thats not to say he won't run well tomorrow. Has winning form, with I beleive Long Run, The Giant Bolster and Captain Chris, being its biggest dangers.
Report judorick March 14, 2013 8:59 PM GMT
Mullins has been in blinding form all week, the Irish have been kicking arse and Nicholls and Hendo are not banging in winners

if it hadn't been for Davy Russells illness it would have been a major plunge I'm sure
Report Graeme83 March 14, 2013 9:07 PM GMT
The Bobs Worth 3 1/2 month off course doesn't seem to be factored into the betting. It doesn't matter how good he is, it has to be taken into consideration. Neither he or Simonsig have had ideal preps, and Simonsig didn't do it as was expected. Bobs Worth didn't scope well in January apparently, so to go stratght to a Gold Cup after a lack of seasonal course practice is a big ask. I'd pretty much echo what the above poster said, and i'd also throw Cape Tribulation into the mix if he is comfotable early and there are no effects from the Argento. It's an open race.
Report Graeme83 March 14, 2013 9:09 PM GMT
Above poster being 'cri****' with regards to his cokmmenst about TGB CC and LR etc....
Report Graeme83 March 14, 2013 9:09 PM GMT
cri**** that should have read
Report Graeme83 March 14, 2013 9:10 PM GMT
for **** sake this swear filter is silly. The above poster being c-r-i-****
Report Graeme83 March 14, 2013 9:11 PM GMT
Seriously you can't use the word n .......u..........t did these people gets for halloween  monkey muts
Report Brooksielad March 15, 2013 3:53 PM GMT
absolute sick, not for betting the horse, but because he should be getting his star status he deserves :( gutting, absolute gutting.
Report BarryM March 15, 2013 4:30 PM GMT
I was big on Silvi today. You can't say he'd have won, but he'd certainly have been in the first 2 if he'd jumped the last 3, and I think he'd probably have cleared away from the 2nd last. We won't know till next year what would have happened then, beyond 3m is unknown territory and the winner cam up the hill exceptionally well.
Report Brooksielad December 26, 2013 9:28 AM GMT
still keeping the faith gwaaaaaan conti
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