Burton Port

Sorry, i replied to the wrong thread

Backed him for the GC, he is supposed to run in the hennessy if Denman runs.

I'm sure BP will run well tomorrow (without winning), but I would really seriously fancy him for the Welsh National next month, if Hemmings & NJH are prepared to go that way.
GL.

I backed him today and he ran a cracker, think he would have won if he hadn't belted the cross fence. Looks a thorough stayer so can understand national routes but for me 3 mile 2 round Cheltenham would suit just as well.

Best looking horse in the field today, I thought.  Hadn't been an admirer till now. Not sure if there's a GC in him but there'd be worse outsiders.

He's solid and seems to improve as the season progresses so should have a good season but just think he'll lack a turn of foot against the top horses.

I'd leave him alone until the Pillar or Aon

FFT not sure either of those races would necesarilly suit him now, he looks a dour stayer, maybe actually be suited more by the GC than a trial.

Horse racing is a funny old game, people may remember my DH fred.

I have never been so happy when coming 2nd.

I thought BP was a better jumper than DH, thats it. If timmy Murphy had rode DH today then i would be collecting a lot of money.

I took riding daryl as a positive today.

Timmy can be brilliant but he wont give the outside to anyone, rhen ride a horse like they are dancing brave.

DJ ride today was so brilliant i dont want to even talk about it.

All season people seem to have been falling over themselves to find potential gold cup contenders from outside of the ageing trio of Imperial,Denman and Kauto Star and in Burton Port i strongly feel we have a future gold cup winner.Rapidly improving six year old with further scope for improvement grade one winner over fences and grade one placed over fences at the course with an abundence of stamina he looks way overpriced at his current odds

Blackburn, I tend to agree and have backed Diamond Harry on each occasion he's beaten Burton Port but Henderson's horse does seem to progress throughout the season whereas Diamond Harry hasn't really done so in previous years. It could be that he's matured this year so may go on but that's the one doubt for me.

I still think the Queen Mother is his race if you think back to One Man who won The Hennessy off 10 stone but didn't stay the extended trip at Cheltenham.

I think at Cheltenham in the GC Burton Port would finish in front of DH, that track and time of year plays more to his strengths

I don't think either will win the GC - certainly not this year. I think DH will always be at his best on a flat track, I thnk the undulations and stiff finish at Cheltenham will suit BP more. There wasn't much in it on Saturday and the elements in BP's favour will turn it round for me - still think both will be lucky to place this year if the big three turn up close to their bests

i backed D H  on saturday but believe come march burton port can win the gold cup. people say he and d h have to improve to trouble kauto denman and imperial. Well just 2yrs ago imperial won the paddy power off 137 who thought he would win a gold cup then the big 3 are 11 11 and 10 come march burton port who won off 157 on saturday could be re assessed 167 not that much to find with improvement to come i am taking a bit of 20's

I like some of the posts on here. Just some quick thoughts...

DH is very classy, a wonderful horse, to see a horse travelling like that 2 out off a fast pace is a joy to me. He could improve as the season goes on, he may now be over his 'flakiness' and he looks a more mature horse this yr. I imagine he'll have a long break ahead of the festival, which is what the horse loves, and his trainer (although not having had a winner at the festival) is adept at readying a horse for a target.

BP could improve, looks mature, but i suspect most may feel he's been doing his improving on the track, particularly during a tough campaign last yr, and may have less scope for further improvement than DH.

However, all of DH's best performances have come at newbury (or on another flat, l/h track (Haydock))and usually after a break. BP was beaten only about a length by DH with DH receiving 1lb(jockey being 1lb overweight) on DH's beloved 'home' track. This was after BP walked through the cross fence. It is impossilbe to say, but i dont think it totally unreasonable to speculate that this mistake did not improve his chances of winning the race. This makes me think that at the festival, away from his beloved flat, l/h track, given how DH has run there before (although he has won there, even impressively, he never seems to handle the track brilliantly), and given how BP has run there before, relishing the hill, and given how the CGC is run, BP maybe represents better value for a place or better than DH (which may suggest Weapons A will run well if the ground is decent and he turns up).

I think we all tend to be taken in by classy, strong travelling horses rather than stayers and grinders. I could see BP runinng into a place more than DH, though maybe DH has matured and grown up and will be without the holes he appeared full of last yr. Either way, at this stage i cannot quite see either winning it.

... But like you, i dont like the 'already tried' angle in the CGC.

Hi The Sawyer - interesting mark, not seen those, I assume BP would have approx the same mark then and Denman about 180ish? Instinctively feels a bit high for me for DH. I am not sure BP is a 170ish horse, but maybe, strongly run staying test, possibly. Be interesting to see the official mark he gets on Weds (high 160s? i suppose from that its not far to posting a CGC mark).

In terms of the CGC, be interesting to see if DH can reproduce around that track. Do you think so? I dont know what mark will win this yr's CGC but i think Denman and Imperial's CGC wins achieved much higher marks than 172 and i could envisage (all being well) Imperial posting a similar mark this yr all being well (though DH is entitled to improve).

I didn't think the Sir Rembrandt BM CGC was a great race, though i thought it was a great effort from the great horse to win in those conditions which he really disliked.

What do you think?

On ratings he's already good enough to win the 2 mile championship. His best hurdle performance was The Challow over 2 1/2 miles and he's got bags of speed and class which he'd use to great effect after a break, sitting in 4th or 5th and being brought with a run on the outside on the downhill run before using his stamina on the hill to grind down the pure 2 milers.