How it will all end for Kauto Star

wins in ireland
wins a hard race in the king george winning by about a lenght or less
goes off favorite for the gold cup but the grounds slow side of good and comes a close 2nd.

retirements announced.

Wins in Ireland
Wins on bridle again in King George
Second in Gold Cup (would LOVE him to win though)

What beats him in Gold Cup FFT?

Don't know tbh, just think he'll find one too good. Probably one of the Henderson horses

goes to ireland,     
travels well for first 2 miles but soon the distress are showing. trails in a well beaten and tired 3rd
excuses are made, but after a couple of weeks retirement is announced
lives a long well deserved retirement with his old rival denman

Whatever happens, the 2.82 presently for the King George looks way too short.

Ten, rising eleven, French bred, could go out like a light. Hope not because I'd like to see him bow out by completing at the Gold Cup, but 2.82 is criminal.

Wins or falls next 4 races until 2011 king george where he gets beat and retirement announced

WINS IN IRELAND
PULLED UP IN KING GEORGE (6/4)
RETIREMENT ANOUNCED END OF AN ERA AND A STAR

If he struggles to win the King George, he won't start favourite for the Gold Cup.

wins DR
wins Kempton - and i'll be there to cheer him on (god willing)
injury mid feb, retired, parades to packed Chelts grandstand at the Festival before going off to a film career via a statue sitting

Falls at Down royal

retired

Got to keep this thread, half of the above posters are posting what they want to happen rather than what they honestly think will happen. In all likely hood if he stays on his feet he'll win at Down Royal and win a Kempton, age will catch up with him in the Gold Cup where a younger horse and new winner will be crowned.

CVByrne what people are saying is not much different to what you have said. Some people say he will fall, you said 'if he stays on his feet'. You like a few others know at the back of your mind that the fall in the GC thrown in with age might just be enough. I don't think anyone would grudge him winning all 3 this season.

If any "distress signs" were showing now he would have been retired already

Paul Nicholls will know how he is, and i'm sure he more than anybody would not want a sad end for the greatest NH horse for over 40 years

until he steps onto the race track nobody will know
they are not machines and in his 7th year as a chaser i really can't see how he can keep up this level of form
i hope i am wrong but i am betting based on my theory



moscow flyer never showed any signs at home at the start of  his last season, but once he was asked to race he was 2 stone below his form from the previous season, where he had looked invincible

Nonsense Graeme, loads of people on here grudge him every victory. For every person on here who cherishes having such an outstanding chaser around there is one who needs to knock him. You want to see him fall and be retired. No other reason to say that. Down Royal should be a cake walk for Kauto. He's only fallen 3 times in his entire career and once he unseated, no reason to believe he will fto in a training race. Certainly no reason, baring injury to believe he'll be retired even of he does.

Also Moscow was a lot older than Kauto and was in the 2mile devision where pace is everything.

Wins at Down Royal.
Batters Long Run by eight lengths in the King George and is crowned the first fifth-timer in history.
Retired to a field with Denman after his tear jerking victory and historic third Hennessy.
The Legends live a long and happy retirement together in a lovely green field.

That's what I hope for anyway

Nah gallant 3rd for Denman in Hennessy, win for Kauto in King George, both are beaten into 4th and 2nd respectively in Gold Cup by a younger horse. Then retired.

I actually don;t think this is Kauto's last year. If he wins the King George they'll come back for a 6th. The day he loses at Kempton, he'll be retired after the Gold Cup.

2nd Down Royal - Needing run to put him spot on.
Wins KG easily.
Wins Ryanair Chase and retires.

Dont believe Denman will run in the Hennessy.

Good point by Brandy i think about Moscow Flyer once they decline they decline quickly whatever happens Nicholls will do what's best for the horse. Fwiw I think if he gets beat in the King George will be retired.

That is utter nonsense, wins Ryanair, so you think he'll win the King George for the 5th time and then go for the Ryanair. Riiiiiggght.

Oh and Paul Nicholls has stated in his column for betfair that Denman goes for a 3rd Hennessy.

wins in ireland,wins king george.wins gold cup,wins betfair.wins king george.wins gold cup

i dont begrudge kauto one single victory. 
quite the contrary. i am privileged to have seen the great chaser in my life time
if he comes out as good as ever i will hold my hands up and say i got it wrong.  and be only to happy to watch him excite us all again
but from a punting point of view i'm getting a good price on other horses in the king george before the distress signals are visible in ireland

Who wins the Hennessy in your opinion CVByrne?

By the way, I said that's what I hope will happen. Although we were saying exactly the same about Denman in last years Hennessy, and we all know what happened there...

I would love Kauto to be retired undefeated this season and his final swansong to be the King George.

He will only get worse around Cheltenham in my opinion.

I want the horse to retire fit and well, and not go the way of the likes of One Man or Alverton.

You have to be honest with yourselves tho'.
The horse has an official rating of 190 and if it loses 20lb this season (which it won't) it should still "technically" be capable of winning an "average" Gold Cup.
My own opinion is that the horse owes nobody anything, and Paul Nicholls knows that (as well as his owner). At the first sign that the horse may not be capable of winning the next Gold Cup it competes in (be it the 2011 GC, 2012, or 2013) then Kauto will be retired. So, I believe that the horse will be retired when it next gets beat (having finished the race).

I said "you have to be honest with yourselves" because when you take an unbiased look at that OR190 rating then you are left with the question, is it right or is it wrong?
Also, unless you think that Kauto will be in with a chance of winning the 2013 Gold Cup as a 13yo, then his rating will have to start going into decline at a rate of knots fairly soon.
I know some chasers go on running-well past their official 12th birthday, but there's none I know of that have run in 17 Grade 1 chases.

Oh, what I hope will happen is Denman wins Hennessy, Kauto wins King George and it's a dead heat between the two in the Gold Cup. Then connections decide to retire both horses. That would be the dream scenario.

I was never saying Denman would be beat in last years Hennessy, I backed him and that was the greatest race I've ever seem. Awesome, the leaps he put in. What a magical horse.

Who'll win The Hennessy? Hmmm no idea. Plendy of good second season chasers with nice marks. But Denman is no 182 horse anymore, his 3 runs this year imo were average at best. The handicapper thinks he ran a 178 in the Gold Cup, he did in his arse run a 178.

"Nonsense Graeme, loads of people on here grudge him every victory. For every person on here who cherishes having such an outstanding chaser around there is one who needs to knock him. You want to see him fall and be retired. No other reason to say that. Down Royal should be a cake walk for Kauto. He's only fallen 3 times in his entire career and once he unseated, no reason to believe he will fto in a training race. Certainly no reason, baring injury to believe he'll be retired even of he does. "


What a complete and load of utter rubbish. How can you translate "i don't think anyone would grudge him winning all three races this season" in to "you want to see him fall and be retired". Are you one of these people who act as if you like the horse more than everybody else and have to make up lies to make yourself an uber Kauto fan.



Are you Rusty's brother ?

^^^^^ brilliant

Why say Kauto falls at Down Royal and is retired? The chances that that will happen are slim, the only reason to say such a thing is because you want it to happen. You want the horse to retire. This forum is full of people against this horse and other horses. I like horses, I never want any of them to fall and be retired. I love Kauto because he's a fantastic horse, I love Denman because he's a fantastic horse. I feel privaleged when I get to see horses like them.

I think to say Falls at Down Royal and is retired is disrespectful to a great horse as it has no basis in plausable opinion.

By the way Wayward, excellent post. I think you're bang on the money. The day he's beaten on merit crossing the finish line then that will be his final season.

Having a nasty fall at Cheltenham and being lucky to get up is no basis to think that it could effect the horse psychologically ?

He was unhurt, and has fallen before. Loads of horses have taken crashing falls it happens all the time, why should Kauto have psychological damage when in general terms it rarely happens.

Considering he was unable to train for a month after his fall, saying he was 'unhurt' is exaggerating the truth.

I didn't see the 2006 QM race, but Haydock wasn't a bad fall. CV take another look at the GC again, he went crashing to the ground. It wasn't a case of a run of the mill fall. He took the fence unconvincingly and went sliding across the deck. I feel that if he gets reminders like he was getting in the Gold Cup, and the fences come fast at him he in my opinion may fall. I've nothing against the horse and seeing him on the television on boxing day is a great sight,and i hope he wins the KG.

Lee why on earth would he be training after his season was over? He was out in a field like he always is after the Gold Cup.

Also I'm not saying he didn't take a crashing fall in the Gold Cup, he did. But plenty of horses take crashing falls and it's uncommon that they suffer psychological damage that makes them fall next time out. Bad jumpers fall regularly, Kauto is an excellent jumper.

It's the usual thing though with Kauto, the amount of analysis and over analysis of the few mistakes and defeats he suffers.

Look horses falls and horses take crashing falls, they normally come back fine from them. Why is it any different for Kauto? It isn't.

if you watched the fall in the gold cup and freezed the film and then asked people who didn't know ...what happened next.....not too many would say ...horse gets up unhurt.....it looked a horror...and we can't take for granted that it wouldn't leave mark on him mentally.

hope he wins every race he competes in though.

he'll win at D R

he'll win the king george

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Replies: 66 09 Oct 10 23:47 
WINS IN IRELAND
PULLED UP IN KING GEORGE (6/4)

kempton is his track, he will destroy the field again if he runs even close to last year, amazing performance.
won win the GC imo ...what will beat him? no idea, reckon it'll be a newcomer tho.

As a Kauto lover, it's a sad day when I think of retirement day. When it does come, I hope he bows out with 100% of the grace and loveliness which he deserves.  It's well reported and even Harry has said Paul apparently loves the horse like no other, before or since, so I hope everyone will do everything right by him at the relevant time.

Wins in Ireland by a short head
No where near in King George as Long Run dominates the field.
Retirement.

Win in down royal
Romps the king george
Finishes 2nd in the gold cup
Retires a legend.

I reckon Denman will win the Hennessy again with Ruby on board.

Nothing will get him off the bridle till the new year IMHO

Struggles as usual on seasonal debut either winning in a poor field or in a hussle against better opposition. Nicholls then gets him home and does the real work that sets Kauto on fire for the King George each year where he normally has his course, ground and trip all ideal as can be. Victory in the King George to set his season up.

It's strange because he's a great horse but I've never ever warmed to him like I have with Denman.  I won't miss him on the racecourse (am quite eager to see a new generation of stayers emerge now), but I hope like with all horses he gets the chance to enjoy a long and happy retirement in the field when the time comes.

win lose or draw next year he has been some star.he is the only horse i can ever remember getting the word "magnificient" at the end of the comments of the analysis of his race in last years King George. Usually its easily, comfortably , impressive or , the odd time, very impressive. That says it all

i happen to think well get bthwe fairytale ending. wind in ireland by 10 . wins king george by ten ( long run my aas) wins gold cup on good ground by 4 lenght . ruby parades him to rapturous applause. in reality guys hendersons horses arent good enough long run cant beat him and has no hope of staying 3 miles round chelters from wat weve seen . punchestowns cant beat kauto on all known form and struggles to c out a proper 3 miles round chelters. the irish have nowt . nicholls knows what a fiornd not in same class as denman or kauto . denman the danger but kauto better horse and nicholls knows this

also when are we gonna see master minded tried over further?

age will catch up with him in the Gold Cup where a younger horse and new winner will be crowned

CV,thats already happened mate,this year.

he should win in Ireland i would think,and i also think he will win the KG,As he is far better than any other horse round there,and even IF he has regressed a bit will still be good enough.
should then run in GC where i feel he wont beat IC or Denman to name 2,who i feel are better horses for that race.

wins in Ireland
Falls in the king George
Pulled up in the Gold cup
As a crack at the National and defy's top weight and
wins at 25/1 oi oi

needcash, I don't think it's cash you need fella, maybe a doctor?

ridiculous thing to suggest needcash












































no way would he be 25/1 [;)]

needcash

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buddeliea     17 Oct 10 08:00 
age will catch up with him in the Gold Cup where a younger horse and new winner will be crowned

CV,thats already happened mate,this year.

Absolute nonsense mate, he made that horrendous mistake and then fell. We've no idea what would have happened had that not happened.

Also Denman imo was well below his best in all 3 races this year, nowhere near the epic greatness of last years Hennessy.

* I mean he'll be beaten on merit by a younger horse next year, not beaten by a mistake.

this thread is full of sad morons who would be the type to laugh there heads off were he to fall,fs,grow up! he falls in the gold cup and all of a sudden everyone wants/thinks hes gonna fall again,ruby knows this horse more than anyone and will let connections know when its time to call it a day,ruby is a proper horse man and if kauto does not give him the sparkle he always gives him then thats when retirement will beckon,most of his knockers on here wouldnt know a champion if it smacked them in the face,we should appreciate what a great champion he is because we wont see another one like him in our lifetime

good comment star horse is amazing

Kauto has to win the King George to have any decent season at all. The race gives him his ideal conditions and proven preparation in every sense.

i wonder y we never get soft ground that time of year

here we go again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bridle job in IRE
Extended 5 length win in KG
Get headed on the run in but fights back to win by short head in GC in the greatest GC for many a year.

All over. The best horse in modern times goes out on the top.

great horse!remember is first chase win over hear at newbury,you could just see he was going to be a star.
think its worth the risk he still holds on to most of is ability,and 2-1 for the king george is a decent price myself,if he wins at down royal he will be evs at best.
just cant see there being manny runners myself,the second fav(long run)is going to be ridden by a amateur who hardly ever rides,imperial commander dont like going r/h and might not even run and sizing europe would be a doughtful stayer.
the horse only runs 3/4 races a season,and 2-1 might look a big price come boxing day!

The thing about Kauto Star is that this is no ordinary horse. There have been countless times over his career when he has rewrote the history books and when the end of his glittering career has been foretold.He is one of the modern day greats of horseracing nobody should forget this whatever the outcome this season

CV,he did get beat by a younger horse and a new winner was indeed crowned. Jumping is the name of the game and Kauto failed to do that.We have no idea why that happened,and he aint run since,so as you say we dont know what would have happened had he jumped well.
So to say its nonsense is your opinion,yes,but maybe not everyones.

Privileged to have seen his like, especially around Kempton last Christmas. Just awesome.

Not privileged to have witnessed the load of one-eyed, rose tinted (to mix metaphors)wish-fulfilment masquerading as informed comment about the horse, nor the unedifying marketing campaigns built around him and to a lesser extent, Denman.

FWIW I hope it doesn't go the way of the three horses that have stirred my soul in my time watching racing - One Man, Best Mate and Persian Punch.

Sorry bud, you can't edit posts on here and I misread what you'd posted. I meant he'll be beaten by a better horse in the Gold Cup next year, I thought you'd said he was already beaten by a better horse this year.

But clearly we don't know who would have been the better horse when he fell. Horses make mistakes like any other athlete, even the greatest athletes have an off day and off days and isolated mistakes should be forgiven.

The day Kauto runs to the best of his ability and is beaten by a younger horse is the season he'll be retired. I've a feeling when he crosses the finish line at Cheltenham next year that will be the case and it'll be the last time we see him on a racecourse.

Fair enough CV,would have been interesting had he jumped well.his Kempton performance certainly suggested he was still bl00dy good last season.Lets see how he shapes up this season mate.

Yeah, really felt robbed by that mishap in the Gold Cup. I wish we could have seen what he'd have done, he was in the form of his life and I think a truly magic performance could have been on the cards. The fact we'll never know what he was physically capable of doing that day given the going is something rather depressing.

Ah well, I remember wishing he'd get the chance to avenge his 08 defeat and that 2009 performance was special in itself. The fact the horse took Ruby there rather than it being the plan.

It's like he wanted to prove a point, as if "Can't Stay? Can't Stay?, I could stay the National you hacks" :D

Anyway, time to accept the inevitable decline is going to happen. The horse who turns up in the Gold Cup next year won't be physically as good as the one from last year and this year.

does anyone know why on youtube you can see most gold cups but cant see 2007 or 2009

You can see the 2009 Gold Cup on Racing UK, free of charge.

Not sure why 2007 isn't about. Although I'm fairly certain you'd be able to find it to buy on that very famous online auction site.