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09 Sep 10 23:13
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Report Mooono September 10, 2010 7:11 AM BST
Dave really is crazy [smiley:crazy][smiley:crazy]

We all know the Dunguib situation win a few mickey mouse races in Ireland then come over to England and get exposed as a plodder..

I was 1 of the many that thought this horse could be special but after losing 1k on him in the Supreme (my biggest ever bet) And i further £400 backing him in the Punchestown Champion Hurdle trying to get the Supreme losses back..Dunguib didnt only make himself look a mug but he also exposed me as a Grade A mug..

Theres my Dunguib rant over dont get me started on Zaarito and Davy Condon..

This seethers now going to bed after racking his brains on the australian racing for the past few hours.

Good Luck Dunguib backers you will need it..
Report Howdi September 10, 2010 6:19 PM BST
^^^ couldnt agree more mate (not with you been a mug)

But he aint good enough it was the saddest moment of Cheltenham for me relaising it.
Report tomdeane September 10, 2010 10:54 PM BST
^ One of the saddest moments in NH racing for me. I was convinced (Moscow Flyer style)!
Report Fashion Fever September 10, 2010 10:59 PM BST
thought he emerged from the supreme just about the best horse, might have over the top at punchestown, whats the plan where does he start off ?
Report Far From Trouble September 10, 2010 11:59 PM BST
Echo the above sentiments. I never had a serious bet in the SN because I wanted to see something really special from Dunguib, and thought we would, and was majorly disappointed afterwards Sad
Report Bobby Dazzler September 11, 2010 11:58 AM BST
Will end up running on the flat
Report toon4eva September 11, 2010 12:14 PM BST
Watched a replay of the sn this morning and looking back a few months later really was given a terrible ride. However didn't see the Punchestown race any1 got a link for it.
Report BJG September 11, 2010 12:21 PM BST
atr website
Report Ibrahima Sonko September 11, 2010 12:34 PM BST
Flat speed is worthless unless you can jump.
Report Mooono September 11, 2010 1:20 PM BST
Heres the Punchestown race  watch?v=9NDxElgbe64&feature=related

Great finish i dont think he could scream HURRICANE FLY!!! any louder if he tryed..
Report toon4eva September 11, 2010 1:28 PM BST
Just watched the Punchestown race and honestly think he needs a professional jockey on this year to learn him to settle. Don't know if he will be good enough but I'd expect a lot of improvement this year from him with a top jock on board.
Report buddeliea September 11, 2010 2:01 PM BST
He may have emerged from the Supreme the best horse had their been no jumping to do!!.However as we all know this is a jumping game and until Dunguib improves his jumping he will not be good enough to beat the real good ones.
Not sure if Bobby Dazzler is joking,but if i owned him he would be running on the flat.
Report buddeliea September 11, 2010 2:02 PM BST
Watch Binocular and then watch Dunguib.Million miles apart!!
Report Bobby Dazzler September 11, 2010 6:41 PM BST
Wasn't joking - don't think he will top class over jumps and there are bags of moderate contests for good prize money to be hoovered up on the flat.
Report CVByrne September 11, 2010 7:04 PM BST
Em a half fit Hurricane Fly jizzed all over him. I know I was there.
Report Bobby Dazzler September 11, 2010 7:16 PM BST
His hurdle form prior to Cheltenham was far from great, and the price of 4/5 beggered belief. Personally I think last years Supreme was a poor race and non of the main protaganists will be a factor in the Champion hurdle this year.
Report Stace September 11, 2010 7:23 PM BST
How anyone can back a horse who jumps like he does amazes me!  Would fancy my chances against him!
Report CVByrne September 11, 2010 7:29 PM BST
Exactly Stace, you want a horse who travels well in a race like Hurricane Fly, Binocular and Go Native.
Report Howdi September 11, 2010 7:35 PM BST
to be fair he had travlled very well prior to cheltenham
Report Stace September 11, 2010 7:40 PM BST
True Howdi he does travel well but he cannot jump and unfortunately that' the name of the game.  CVB - great point for spotting those Festival winners, you do need a horse that travels without being a bridle horse
Report revedesivola September 25, 2010 1:31 AM BST
dunguib wouldnt beat eggs in a cement mixer
Report Rondetto September 25, 2010 5:46 AM BST
Geez you get some wise people on here.

Dunguib is a class animal and if anyone thinks differnetly they are on the wrong might suit them better.

Fenton intends aiming him at the Champion Hurdle but if I was the owner he'd be gone.

I can here the Panic in Fenton's voice from the other side of the world and as far as I can see there not a thing wrong with Dunguib, who a very intellegent animal, that couldn't be put right with proper handling.

It is highly unlikely he will find the improvement needed to threaten Binocular or Hurricane Fly who both look like they came straight out of the Golden Years of hurdling when Sea Pigeon Night Nurse and Monksfield were struttuing their stuff.

The thing about Dunguib is that he looked the finsihed article long before he turned up at Cheltenham and it's unlikley he's going to show massive improvement.

Was sad to see him beaten at Cheltenham as he had the look of a real Champion but sadly it was not to be.

I would love to see him move to Nicky Henderson where he would get the best schooling money could buy.

While he could well win the Champion Hurdle if anything goes wrong with the aforementioned it must be considered unlikley.

I suppose you have to consider that if placed right there are plenty good prizes he can still pick up over timber. Probably more than he would in novice chases so if that's there way of thinking then from a short time finacial view it could be the best way to go.

While I would want him to go chasing there's no guarantee no matter how well he jumps that he would find an Arkle, with the likes of Get Me Out Of Here and Celestial Halo turning up, any easier to win than the Champion Hurdle.

What swings me towards fencing is his very high cruising speed which is a even bigger asset over fences than it is over hurdles.

Horses with gears like he has very seldom make bad chasers as in most of their races they can do everything in their own time.

I think Fenton is nuts going down the Champion Hurdle route but time will tell.
Report Wayward Lad September 25, 2010 6:43 PM BST
Rondetto (I remember this horse from the 1960's): I've read your post several times and I cannot make it out at all. Do you think Dunguib is a potential Champion Hurdler, Champion Chaser, or Ascot Gold Cup horse - or a donkey? Or all perhaps all 4?
Report R Carver September 25, 2010 8:46 PM BST
I dont think this horse will win the champion, but if he can brush up his hurdling, and can learn to settle, i think he is worth another chance to prove himself - i wont be backing him tho!
Report Ibrahima Sonko September 25, 2010 9:10 PM BST
It really surprises that people still think he is or can be a top class hurdler, he was brilliant bumper horse but unless they make the correct angles over hurdles then it is always going to be a struggle.

I know sending him to a top trainer and putting a top jockey will help but it looks unlikely that will happen at this moment in time.
Report downallstar September 25, 2010 9:58 PM BST
He won't run on the flat as they won't run him on quick. Pity as he could be the best Cup horse ever!
Agree with Budd re: his speed over hurdles vs a slick jumper like Binocular or Go Native.
Report Steeplechasing September 25, 2010 10:13 PM BST
Much over-rated - always was.
Report CVByrne September 25, 2010 10:25 PM BST
It became clear he was over-rated when he was beat at Cheltenham. Can't imagine him beating Hurricane Fly or Solwhit in Ireland this year and very hard to see him beating them and Binocular, Go Native and his Supreme conquerers next March.
Report downallstar September 25, 2010 11:20 PM BST
Not over rated imo, just cannot jump at speed, he has an engine as good as any.
Report CVByrne September 25, 2010 11:35 PM BST
he WAS over rated, ie prior to Cheltenhm. Not now after two the two defeats.
Report Ibrahima Sonko September 25, 2010 11:49 PM BST
WAS and IS.

I really would like a list of people that rate him, he is a lovely horse that set the world a light with a good performance on the flat, thats it.

Some people read form and would probably still chuckle at him being favourite in the irish champion hurdle, total disrespect of form imo.
Report ilikewavingatbuses September 26, 2010 2:03 AM BST
i still have not lost faith in him!!probably because of sentimentality but i still believe he should have won the supreme and always will!given way too much to do!!he is an awful jumper tho and that needs to improve!!if he can settle and get a fast pace and improve his jumping a bit, i believe he has the potential to be top top class!i really mean that!
Report aka September 26, 2010 10:35 AM BST
Would a step up in trip over hurdles be a possibility with this one? Would still need to improve his hurdling, of course, but there have always been some who run creditably at top level over 20-24f who are not the most fluent of hurdlers. Recent examples of successful staying hurdlers who are solid enough jumpers, but not particularly slick over the hurdles, include My Way De Solzen, Tidal Bay and even Big Bucks possibly. On softer ground especially, if Dunguib would get the trip, the weaknesses in his hurdling would probably not be enough to prevent him picking up some of those decent prizes that Solerina use to milk over around 20f in Ireland, and there would also be the possibility of stepping up from there if that was within his stamina range.
Report CVByrne September 26, 2010 10:42 AM BST
But is that within his stamina range? He faded fast in the Irish Champion and it remains to be seen if as lower pace will help his hurdling. If I remember correctly the slow pace at Leopardstown was blamed for his poor hurdling that day.
Report EVILROYSLADE September 26, 2010 11:56 AM BST
If Binocular manages to get there in one piece, I really cannot see beyond him. Slammed 'em last time and no reason to think he wont do it again. We may have to endure a winter of worry though!
Report Pleasegivemeanailedontip September 26, 2010 12:49 PM BST
At current prices i'm still a backer.
All due respect to binocular and hurricane fly who are worthy favourites but binocular cant learn to be more consistent and hurricane fly cant learn to stay fit.
Dunguib, however should improve his hurdling and should be easier to settle with experience.
Report CVByrne September 26, 2010 12:54 PM BST
But isn't it in Binoculars favour that he has run 3 excellent races at Cheltenham? And it's possible Dunguib will never improve his hurdling.
Report baracouda30 September 26, 2010 1:33 PM BST
Overrated but hardly a plodder. Still came 3rd in the Supreme, and I wouldn't put too much emphasis on the Punchestown race where he ran badly but could have been over the top by then. Will win some decent races but couldn't have it for the CH, or even to place in the race. GMOOH looks a big price to me.
Report ilikewavingatbuses September 26, 2010 2:31 PM BST
if fairness hes by presenting and will defo stay longer! watch the irish champion and look how long he pulls for, never ever settled!!im NOT saying he would have beat them but hes a lot better than that result!!just watch it, never settled!
Report R Carver September 26, 2010 2:42 PM BST
ilikewaving - what i've said about the horse above i stand by, but I agree that anyone taking his punchestown run literally might be making a mistake. i suspect over the top, pulled too hard, etc etc
Report R Carver September 26, 2010 2:52 PM BST
Re above, fine judge him on his earlier efforts, but i think unwise to judge solely on his last run (not saying anyone is/was judging him solely on his last run).
Report ilikewavingatbuses September 26, 2010 3:01 PM BST
i agree!i was surprised he was beat in the supreme i have to say!!  probably was hype but i think it was deserved as he was beating horses in g1 races on the bridle, literally, like no matter how bad the opposition may have been, it was a g1 and they at least had some level of ability it was amazing i thought!

but he has to learn to jump for starters, but i still believe hes a very good horse, and he simply cannot be  be judged on his las run as if you look at it he pulled and pulled and pulled and he was facing the best horses/ older he has ever faced so if anything he had to run his best race to ever be in with a chance!!look out for this horse, i think hes gonna impress us all again!!i hope so anyway!!
Report CVByrne September 26, 2010 3:10 PM BST
Nobody forms an opinion of a horse based on one race.
Report R Carver September 26, 2010 3:25 PM BST
I hope so too ilikewaving. Not too many people genuinely foresaw what happened in the supreme, yes his jumping had been sticky before, but i think he is worth another chance. WOuld love to see him prove a few people wrong, not overly optimistic it will happen, but it would be nice to see him fulfill his promise.
Report ilikewavingatbuses September 26, 2010 4:09 PM BST
whatever happens you should get a decent price now!!i hope he comes good anyway!!hes got potential to improve anyway!!
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