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Cheltenham Festival
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I like the look Of Khyber Kim - ground was faster than usual last year (2010).
also keen on Sanctuaire if it settles.
Comments please
Forty
also keen on Sanctuaire if it settles.
Comments please
Forty
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Sanctuaire if he runs well in the greatwood hurdle
Solwhit he obviously didnt run his race at cheltenham and is the value at the moment. |
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Solwhit certainly interesting, Kauto_Kauto. Has there been any announcement about whether the intention is stay over hurdles for the coming season with Solwhit?
Also, what do we think about Soldatino? Very early days yet for this one and some suggestion he may come into his own over further than 2 miles in time. Pretty impressive start to his hurdling career though. |
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Im a big fan of Peddlers Cross and hope he turns out to be a big contender but stating the obvious if the real Binocular turns up will be hard to beat.
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aka Joined: 06 Nov 03
Replies: 33 09 Sep 10 16:37 Solwhit certainly interesting, Kauto_Kauto. Has there been any announcement about whether the intention is stay over hurdles for the coming season with Solwhit? from what iv heard and been listening to connections are aiming the same route as last year and if his winning them races again then it will be cheltenham if he doesnt have the pace there going to up him up to 2m 4furlongs. |
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hurricane fly wins if fit imo
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can't see much touching binocular. peddlers cross the danger
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Go Native for me.
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Peddlers Cross
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Peddlers Cross aswell
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the mighty Peddlers Cross for me too
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Would love to see Walkon back in action. Think he could be a dark horse in the champion hurdle but dont know whats happened after last seasons injury. Know the owner comes on here sometimes so has anyone heard anything regarding the horse?
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Go Native/Sanctuaire my 2 early fancies at the prices
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oscar whiskey e/w at 50's????????
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Mandeville Anne Lover Joined: 21 Dec 05
Replies: 603 09 Sep 10 20:26 Would love to see Walkon back in action. Think he could be a dark horse in the champion hurdle but dont know whats happened after last seasons injury. Know the owner comes on here sometimes so has anyone heard anything regarding the horse? He will be campaigned with the Champion Hurdle in mind. Depending on how well he goes in his first couple of races this season, he may go novice chasing, before Cheltenham. All will depend on how well he runs on his first racecourse re-appearance. this is what i have been told anyways i hope it help. |
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Peddlers Cross
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I've no idea who I'd back now if the race was tomorrow. Bit surprised by the Peddlers Cross majority so far, but I think at the prices I'd be playing him too.
We still don't know how good he is and horses like this are usually priced on perceived potential - but I think the market is underestimating him on this occasion. However, maybe there are slight doubts about what path he is taking. |
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A lot to look forward to with the horses already mentioned on here, and there are some other exciting ones that possibly will also come into contention, not least Menorah, Get Me Out of Here if staying over hurdles, and General Miller if an undulating track would suit. Blackstairmountain and Mille Chief are ones I would want to keep an eye on too.
Binocular obviously very impressive in the CH last season, and with Khyber Kim fairly well beaten into second it gave the form of the race some credence (KK arguably had the best seasonal form over two miles going into the race and seemed to run to a level at least consistent with his win in the International earlier in the season). Binocular was so impressive though it just made me think he may be even more dependent on dry ground than possibly seemed the case before the race. We knew beforehand that he would be better on good ground, but how much better wasn't so easy to gauge. We know now what a force Binocular can be off a brisk pace on a stiff track if the ground doesn't dent his speed (his tactical speed, most importantly). He had the speed on the ground in the CH last season to hold an excellent position through the race, close enough to the pace set by Celestial Halo to easily move strongly into contention in the final stages. On the ground, it wasn't so easy for horses to come from further back in the field and close on those at the front effectively in the final stages. It is the tactical speed in particular that I would say makes Binocular such a dangerous horse in the CH on good ground. But if the ground is such a key factor with him (and I appreciate you could argue against that view), then I would possibly be looking to field against him at the current low odds around 3/1. If there is one who might prove to be as effective as Binocular was under the prevailing conditions last March, I would be especially interested in how Menorah progresses this season, if and when meeting the right conditions for the horse. With cut in the ground though, I would want to have Solwhit on side, among one or two others that catch the eye at this stage(thanks for the reply on Solwhit, Kauto_Kauto). |
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At the prices Go Native just because he hit the 2nd hurdle in the CH and the race was over, he had the best form before the race so if you draw a line through his run in the CH his current price of 25's is pretty big considering he went of 10/3 fav in march (ive bet to lay).
That said am on binocular from gold cup day of the last meeting just the fact that i dont rate the novice bunch from last year, (exception being Peddlers cross and he may well go chasing depending on his run in the fighting fifth), and binocular won the race cosily and a horse superior to his group wins cosily in championship races ie Quvega and Big Bucks |
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I was struck by the similarity between the way Go Native won his Supreme and Menorah's run in last season's renewal of the race. Both travelled sweetly on the inside rail in their respective races, quickened impressively to make up ground from three out, hitting the front a little sooner than perhaps they wanted, ran on well to the line, but only just able to hold on to win (and some suggestion it may even have been a bit too easy for them). Both clearly very classy horses, but also the same question raised in each case about whether a fast run two miles on a stiff track in top open company would stretch their stamina too much.
In retrospect, clearly too much had been made before last March about whether Binocular would get up the hill strongly enough to win a CH. On that basis, at this stage I would be inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to Go Native and Menorah that their stamina potentially would stretch to winning a truly run CH. So both seem to me interesting contenders. It would be good though to have some news on the injury Go Native picked up in the CH. Just a worry it might prove more of a setback than originally thought. |
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Think Menorah has the potential to go to the very top if he learns to relax early on in his races.
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I think the cover and pace of the bigger field in the Supreme probably helped Menorah settle better on that occasion, though he still also looked plenty green enough. I could certainly see him being turned over in some of the smaller field races this season, if the pace is muddling or the problem of settling still affects him. Of course, that might help create a nice price for him in relation to the festival races later in the season.
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Don't think Go Native stands a chance in any CH unless it's a ridiculously slowly run event, which it won't be. He beat Bino and Solwhit in a race you can draw a line through and Starluck and Bino in a race Bino clearly didn't turn up in. Almost got collared by Starluck which says it all. Got thrashed by VLV and Hurricane Fly. Completely drops out when things don't go his way. Will likely mop up a couple of races on the bridle but wouldn't back him at Cheltenham. Don't think it was a great Supreme he won either.
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Peddler's Cross
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I can only see one horse mugging Binocular this year (novices not up to much for me) and the horse am thinking of spends half his seaon in a wheelchair in iRELAND.
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If Menorah wins a champion I'll carry John Mcruick on my back naked through Cheltenham.
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At this early stage i would say Binocular will beat any from last year and i dont see Menorah or GMOOH being good enough,although they could improve to be.Only ones i could see stopping him at the moment from winning again are HFly and PCross.
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am I the only one who thinks Peddlers Cross is not a 2 miler?
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I agree Howdi think Peddlers Cross will prove to be more of a 2M 4F plus horse,but would love to see you attempt to carry Big Mac!
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Yes, some weight carrying performance that. Can't see him getting up the hill, even without his silks on.
Plenty of scope for a bit of filling out with Peddlers Cross and with it he might lose a bit of the speed he would need to be really competitive for hurdles over the minimum trip. Not a bad jumper, but would probably need to be a bit more fluent over his hurdles than at times last season if he is to match the slickness of a horse like Binocular at his best. |
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Peddlers cross stays further,dont mean he cant win a champion hurdle.
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^^^ no but it amkes it more unlikely.
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kauto_kauto thanks for that answered my querie perfectly.
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Istabraq dropped back in trip to win his Champion(s)
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So the did the admirable Hardy Eustace
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Howdi,
i take it you are implying that cos he wins at further he is too slow at 2m? Do you know that for a fact? I have no problem in backing a horse that wins the neptune in the following CH,and as been mentioned its proved successful before a few times. In my eyes PC could really be anything,and whilst i dont expect him to beat Binocular or HF,thats not to say he wont!! |
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Howdi,
Who's going to be naked? You, him or both? |
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Kauto-Kauto.
Where did you hear that please? |
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Well having backed PC @ 25/1 with VC over the summer I am a happy bunny :)
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