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I'd like to test the appetite for others to join me in pushing BETFAIR to make visible their stats etc
I've been a customer since 2000. I have played the Casino since it opened. The games were fair and I never questioned the 'randomness'
Since the New Casino - I have suffered so regularly from the dealer having too many 21's, 10 hole cards etc etc
It's getting to the point that I can predict more often when I'm entering a bad streak.
In the last 2 months I've lost about £50k - so I've played enough to know the reasonable outcome
I've asked BETFAIR to release my hand histories so that I can have them statistically interrogated by a Professor pal of mine at Oxford Uni.
BETFAIR refuse to give me any data
I'd have thought they'd want to be MORE visible than less?
Anyway - if you're interested - just say YES please
Those that want to babble on about the house edge, bad loser or whatever can keep those comments to themselves thanks
Cheers.
I'd like to test the appetite for others to join me in pushing BETFAIR to make visible their stats etc
I've been a customer since 2000. I have played the Casino since it opened. The games were fair and I never questioned the 'randomness'
Since the New Casino - I have suffered so regularly from the dealer having too many 21's, 10 hole cards etc etc
It's getting to the point that I can predict more often when I'm entering a bad streak.
In the last 2 months I've lost about £50k - so I've played enough to know the reasonable outcome
I've asked BETFAIR to release my hand histories so that I can have them statistically interrogated by a Professor pal of mine at Oxford Uni.
BETFAIR refuse to give me any data
I'd have thought they'd want to be MORE visible than less?
Anyway - if you're interested - just say YES please
Those that want to babble on about the house edge, bad loser or whatever can keep those comments to themselves thanks
Cheers.
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Signing in..........thats one hell of a bad run rip off :(
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Signed. But i can tell you exactly the reaction of pretty much every casual viewer of your post
Their eyes will be wide and they'll slowly be saying ' Fifty....THOUSAND ....quid!' |
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Their eyes will be wide and they'll slowly be saying 'What an idiot'
FYP |
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you incredible moron
if you think its ****, why keep playing? |
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r i g g e d
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what was the question again?
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Any money game that is computer generated is fixed to return a set profit for the vendor, otherwise what is the point of running the service?! This is a FACT.
No offence but you should have realised that after the first £500 was lost; unless of course you were using £500 stakes! If you want to play Blackjack then use a real casino, at least you won't have that bitter after taste, the one that states you were swindled. What a shame you lost so much, you could have placed 50k on Barcelona last night and doubled it within 2 hours rather than messing about with non random software! |
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but what if Barcelona had lost,easy to say with hindsight
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How many hands do you think you played over the last 2 months, and what kind of stakes ?
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Greedydog Report this message:Report Very interesting comments Dec 4, 06:45PM Sir, I am very interested in your comments, let me tell you a bit about what i have been doing over the last year concerning playing these blackjack gaming machines in ladbrokes, Hills and betfair. I have never had a problem with the way these machines work, if the house want to take 80% of my money as long as they produce their figures in advance then its up to me if i want to play as long as i am furnished with truthful facts and not a pack of lies My problem started when i read 4 words which are on all these gaming machines and these 4 words are 'THIS MACHINE/GAME IS RANDOM. i have a serious problem because random means as defined in the oxford dictionary 'HAVING NO SPECIFIC PATTERN,PURPOSE OR OBJECTIVE. Now i have been closely monitoring these machines/games and also playing them and without a doubt there are 3 cycles all these blackjack games go through, firstly the machine wins hands and loses hands to the ratio of about 50/50, secondly the next cycle is that the game completely takes you to the cleaners, constantly dealing the player 5's aand 6's and regularly pulling 21 against a players 20, thirdly and the last cycle is when you can do no wrong and you win hand after hand.This cycle is the most short lived i have over the last year challenged the independent regulators who have told me that when they test these machines, they are tested with 'CREDITS' and not real cash, this is similar to playing one of these games in 'fun mode' i told this man that the machines will behave totally differently when using credits as opposed to cash. He was still adamant that these games are all 100% Random 100% of the time. There is such a masssive conspiracy going on with these games and it is so big and as i started to dig deeper, ie contacting the American company who write the software, i got a very rude reply from the chairman of the company who basically told me to stop delving. I am at present building a case against ladbrokes and am suing them for 66k but i am not ready yet as i am still doing my homework. I have a friend of mine who has been a Ladbrokes shop manager for 24 years and he said without doubt these machines are not random, i asked him if he would be prepared to swear an affadavit to that point and at this moment he is a bit scared because he retires next year and is worried his pension will be affected if he speaks out against Ladbrokes. Another point i put to the software people was that they state a figure which is called 'return to player'percentage being 97% 0r 98% or whatever the figure is and i said to the MD how can they predict a figure in advance if these games are truly random because if they were truly random the house could not possibly have an advantage and so impossible to predict in advance - he refused to answer that question. Another point which is so valid is that in every Casino in the world you CAN NOT play one box against the bank if you are on the table on your own because the house would have 'no edge' so if playing Blackjack on your own in any casino you have to play 2 boxes against the bank. this proves again these games ARE NOT RANDOM because they allow you to play one card against one card of the bank and again in a truly random game the bank could lose and lose regularly as it would have no advantage but these games allow you to play one box against the one box of the bank and it does that because it is FIXED. I wont go on anymore but at the moment i have about 60 pages of documents as i continue in my quest to bring these people to book and try to uncover what i know is a cover up on a mammoth scale. i would welcome your comments my emai is allypops@btinternet.com regards Allan Keston |
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This is BETFAIRS Explanation of the Random number gemerator, look how it is worded it is a disgrace and there for one purpose and that is to completely CONFUSE.
make of it what you will. Please contact me on allypops@btinternet.com I am building a case against Ladbrokes, Betfair and hills all who have 'THIS GAME IS RANDOM' iF ITS THE LASt THING I DO I WILL BRING THESE CROOKS TO THEIR KNEES. see betfairs explanation below on RANDOM NUMBER GEMERATORS I have looked at your explanation of how these random number generators are supposed to work and they are CLEARLY WORDED IN A WAY TO TOTALLY CONFUSE, THIS IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE AND I WILL NOT ACCEPT YOUR EXPLANATION, I WANT IT EXPLAINED IN PROPER LAYMANS ENGLISH BECAUSE I AM NOW MORE CONVINCED THAN EVER THAT YOU ARE RUNNING A **** 'LEGAL' GAME AND I BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY CULPRITS AND I WILL INVESTIGATE THIS FULLY UNTIL IT IS EXPLAINED PROPERLY, MY USERNAME IS allankeston and what i saw tonite clearly has convinced me that this whole thing is **** to guarantee the owners a profit. As stated i am not satisfied at all regarding your explanation of how these 'Random Numbers Work' and you are going to have to do a lot more to convince, i truly do believe i have stepped on a 'timebomb' which needs fully investigating and i will not go away until this is done and i have a lawyer friend of mine who is working closely with me, He is amazed at the way you word this whole 'Random number Generator thing and it is clearly desiigned to confuse and make people go away, well i can assure you this is not going to happen. Thank you and i await a proper detailed explanation because what you currently have is totally unacceptable.I believe because you are using the word 'Random' that this will be shown to be completely false as the numbers are 'not random' if the true word random is defined. I await your response Thank you Allan Keston What are Random Number Generators, and how do they work? Software random generators (PRNG): Software RNGs use mathematical algorithms to generate random numbers, initializing the algorithm with a "seed" value derived from some repetitive operation in the computer, such as keystrokes, running processes, the computer's clock, or mouse movements. However, it is extremely difficult to come up with a completely random seed value, since most such operations only provide seeds with a small range of values. The challenge of software RNGs is that the sequence of numbers based on the seed value is completely deterministic, since their creation is accomplished with a software algorithm. So even if the seed value is truly random, the numbers the RNG creates are predictable if someone can figure out the algorithm used to produce them. Thus the numbers generated by software RNGs are not considered truly random, but pseudo-random, and the software RNGs that generate them are known as Pseudo-Random Number Generators (PRNGs). Hardware random generators (TRNG): Hardware RNGs do not require seeds because hardware random numbers are not computed values; they are not derived through a repeatable algorithm. Rather, hardware-generated random numbers are digitized snapshots of naturally occurring noise. Because there is no algorithm and no repeating sequences of numbers, even if a hacker could determine one number, he would not be able to use it to predict any future numbers. For this reason, hardware RNGs are known as Truly Random Number Generators, or TRNGs. Exchange poker uses a pair of Hardware Random Number Generators built on the Nehemiah C5XL Core. Both RNGs have passed the FIPS 140-2 Compliance Test Suite. The hardware von Neumann whitening corrector is enabled to ensure a consistently high value of entropy which has been measured in excess of 0.999 bits per output bit. Documentation, including an assessment of cryptographic strength from an independent industry group, is available for the terminally curious. In addition to the above the software that works with the RNG conforms to best industry practices and cards are not drawn until betting is suspended for each round. We have run a variety of tests on the hands dealt to date to check for randomness and they have passed in all instances. Anyone wishing to run their own tests can download all historic hands in CSV format at http://stats.betfairgames.com/. We will have a full external audit done on the entire process at the next available opportunity, this audit will be ongoing and we will publish the results of these audits. Card are only drawn when required and not before. Betting on the "Deal" round (where card backs are shown) is prior to any cards being dealt. Likewise the placeholders shown in the communal cards are exactly that with the cards for those position determined prior to the relevant betting round and displayed at the same time as the market opens. How does Betfair Poker guarantee random cards are dealt? The Betfair Poker Random Number Generator is a True Random Number Generator. It uses the hardware device J1000KU to generate random numbers. It does not use a software algorithm (PRNG). The hardware generator, the QNG Model J1000KU, derives most of its entropy from shot noise. Hence its entropy source is almost entirely quantum and therefore extremely non-deterministic – ie. completely true random. The J1000KU’s output has been tested extensively by the most stringent tests available and it has not failed any test for randomness in tests utilizing up to 500 billion bits. The J1000KU unit has passed Dr. George Marsaglia’s battery of ‘Die Hard’ tests. How do I know the Arcade games are fair? The Arcade RNG (Random Number Generator) is a TRNG (True Random Number Generator). It has passed Dr George Marsaglia’s battery of DIEHARD tests in its assessment of the level of non-predictability and fairness of the raw outcomes generated from the rand om number generated algorithm. The test was based on 4.29billion possible raw outcomes. Demo and real money games run off the same RNG, so your chances of winning are equal in both variants of the game. Arcade is licensed and regulated by the LGA. |
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Another point i put to the software people was that they state a figure which is called 'return to player'percentage being 97% 0r 98% or whatever the figure is and i said to the MD how can they predict a figure in advance if these games are truly random because if they were truly random the house could not possibly have an advantage and so impossible to predict in advance - he refused to answer that question.
There are two flaws in your argument here. Firstly, random doesn't mean the house has no advantage and secondly the RTP isn't calculated by knowing the results in advance. The house advantage is built into the rules and payout structure and the RTP is calculated from an understanding of these. Live roulette is random but the house still has an advantage due to the rules and payout structure, giving an RTP of 97.3% (European wheel). Here's a simpler example. Lets say I offer to pay you even money on predicting what number will come up on the roll of a die. Clearly with such poor odds I have a huge advantage but that doesn't mean that the roll of the die isn't random. I can even calculate the RTP in advance - 16.6%. Again, the advantage and the ability to calculate the RTP come from understanding the rules of the game and the payout structure, not from having a fixed die. |
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Sir,
You pick out 2 points and say my arguement is 'flawed' however typically you seem not to mention the one box against one box, wherby not a single casino in the world would allow that so if the Betfair blackjack game is truly random how can you possibly allow 1 against 1. I think the casinos of the world know a little bit more about odds. You also fail to mention the cycles that i explained. You also failed to mention the the so called 'testing' by independents whom have admitted to me that they are done with credits and not REAL CASH. You are just part of the big conspiracy wagon constantly constantly still sticking to your story that these games are 'RANDOM' when we all know they are not, they may be some of the time but they are not random 100% of the time. When i am ready to go to court i will bring every organisation that has 'this machine/game is random' TO THEIR KNEES. I know it is a tough thing to prove hence i have been working on it now for nearly a year and i wont be ready to issue court action for at least another 18 months. I am in talks with someone who has left one of these software companies and is prepared to talk about the real truth what is going on and he is a major weapon that i will use in bringing justice to the punter. As i have always said i expect these machines to be fixed and i know people have to make money but when wording, THIS GAME/MACHINE IS RANDOM IS CLEARLY WRITTEN then that is where i have the problem. |
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You're correct, I didn't pick out all the flaws in your argument, merely the most obvious. Namely, your assumptions that "random" is synonymous with "no house advantage" and that RTP cannot be calculated in advance on a random game. Given your avoidance of both of these subjects in your reply I trust that you now understand.
Moving on then, heads-up blackjack is prohibited in most casinos since it gives card-counters an additional advantage by increasing the number of high-count rounds that they can play. To a degree then you are correct, heads-up play can result in the casino having no house advantage, but (and this is the important bit) only in conjunction with card-counting. Don Schlesinger covers this quite well in one of his books (Blackjack Attack - Playing The Pro's Way, I think) so I won't go into the maths here. This obviously isn't an issue online since a new deck is generated for every hand thus rendering card-counting impossible and hence the casino cannot lose their advantage. Heads-up blackjack is therefore commonplace online. |
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there is now live roulette blackjack etc on the net..real cards real roulette wheel..real dealers real time...no excuse now to play against electronic casinos...
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please tell me what card counting has got to do with the number of boxes being played, all the cards come out of one shue, out of the dealers same hand, if a card counter is doing his counting, he is looking at the shue where the cards come out so what difference if the dealer lays the cards down on one box or 7, sorry but you are talking waffle, one box against one box is only because the game is NOT RANDOM which is why its allowed.
Whilst we are chatting, what is your position at Betfair? If you look at all the correspopndence i have from Global draw who are the worlds biggest software manufacturers, its amazing how threy react to my questions, in fact it is identical to the way that you answer or should i say try to answer awkward questions which is why i know you must have some conflict of interest, there is no way you are just a 'punter' you are either a moderator or staff at BF. Please confirm which it is? By the way just for your information, when i started to delve into the mathmaticians (sorry not a gt speller)who are connected to Global Draw, i received a phone call telling me to 'STOP DELVING' the words which were used. I luckily taped the call although i know it is not admissable in Court but i am telling you that there is a very bad smell going on within this industry which i believe is so big that i have filed a report with my solicitors whilst i am making my report. Next week i have a meeting at Bangor University where i shall be geting another sworn affidavit from an engineer who used to work in the industry. GD |
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As previously mentioned, I suggest you read Schlesinger if you want the details (unless of course he's part of the conspiracy and a secret employee of Betfair too).
The fact that you're hearing "identical" information from multiple sources should tell you something. Of course, it is possible that everyone you speak to is part of this great conspiracy against you, but perhaps it is also possible that they understand mathematics and concepts such as the house advantage a little better than you do. To give you the benefit of the doubt, these games could of course be **** and I'm sure that you could put forward a good case for this. You're just weakening your argument significantly by making some silly statements that don't bear up to the slightest scrutiny and only really serve to highlight your lack of understanding. Please don't take my word for any of this. Just spend a little time trying to understand how a random game can still have an inbuilt house advantage, how to calculate the RTP on a random game, what the house advantage is on heads-up blackjack and why the problems casinos experience with live heads-up blackjack don't translate to the online game. Once you actually understand some of these concepts I'm sure you'll withdraw some of your earlier statements and any case you bring will be far stronger for you having done so. |
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Yet again you answer the questions that suit you. Answer the question about the dealing from the shue and what difference it makes how many boxes there are if the 'card counter' is looking at the shue, not whether the cards are placed on one box or 5 boxes, (see question previously) also what is your position at BF? which you so conveniently forget to address, if you cant answer my questions please don't insult my intelligence by totally avoiding them, so please answer them directly especially about the card counting being the reason why Casinos dont allow 1 against 1.
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Incidentally another point i mentioned in previous correspondence was about the 3 cycles which again you mention nothing about, now let me guess, 'this is just the random generator at work' will be your reply
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'great conspiracy against me' you quote, yet i have sworn affidavits from very influential people in some of the UK's biggest universitys plus a betting shop manager who has worked for Ladbrokes for over 20 years, conspiracy against just me? mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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To answer all your questions on card-counting and heads-up blackjack, for the third and final time please read Schlesinger. Yes, I could rehash great chunks of his book on this forum but I doubt I would do him justice. Having been given the source if you are too lazy to go and do the research yourself then I'm really not inclined to do it for you.
For what its worth, I was also very sceptical regarding his claims since they are hugely counter-intuitive for the reasons that you have stated, but I now understand where he is coming from and concur with the maths that he uses to back them up. Regarding the Betfair issue, it was such over-the-top conspiracy-theorist nonsense that I chose to ignore it, but if it makes you feel better I have not at any time worked for Betfair or any other company that is involved with or stands to benefit from the gaming industry. Finally, "conspiracy" was your choice of words, not mine. If you read my posts again I have never claimed these games are random and never claimed that your conspiracy doesn't exist. I've merely pointed out that some of your statements make no sense to anyone with an understanding of maths / gambling / odds (call it what you will) and they are weakening your overall argumment. |
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Just as i thought you cant answer the questions because you have no answer which gives my claim all the more substance anyway i must be wasting my time as it is not you i have to prove anything to and it is not you i am going to take to court and bring to your knees so what you have to say is 100% irellevant.I think i will leave it at that and carry on with my work which is important to me and of which you are certainly not.
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Another point which is so valid is that in every Casino in the world you CAN NOT play one box against the bank if you are on the table on your own because the house would have 'no edge' so if playing Blackjack on your own in any casino you have to play 2 boxes against the bank.
rubbish i do it all the time in oz - get facts straight here please |
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Agree
You can play one box in Vegas at every hotel Ive been in. In the UK they dont let you because they are tighter. Remember the more boxes being played the more house collects Look here for the varying house edges in comparison as to what you can do in UK against the US. http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/house-edge-calculator-pop.html Ive been playing online casinos for years and have no doubt that Betfairs is straight. Its just losers remember the bad times more than the winners do the good. |
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Let me get this straight.
This guy thought there was no house advantage when playing one box against the dealer. OK, some people aren't good at maths and he's probably never played outside of the UK and seen this type of game being played so we'll let this one pass. He then proceeded to donk £66,000 "proving" his theory. Still OK if he can afford it, although at some point during this downward spiral you would think he should have considered that his initial assumption was a bit wobbly. He's now seen it with his own eyes and had it explained to him by multiple people, but he still maintains that he's correct. PMSL  Some people really should not be allowed out on their own. |
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Just found this bit.
if they were truly random the house could not possibly have an advantage ROFL Comedy genius. |
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Let me get this right! Are you Mr Second Coming saying that you are playing one box on a blackjack table against the bank and there IS NO ONE ELSE ON THE TABLE?
If this is the case are you actually saying that these computer casino/betting shop blackjack games are 100% Random 100% of the time meaning'LACKING ANY DEFINITE PLAN OR ORDER OR PURPOSE AND HAVING NO SPECIFIC PATTERN OR OBJECTIVE' every time a card is selected either for the player or the bank. Do you actually believe that? because if the answer is NO then you agree with what i am saying and an illegal case of misrepresentation is occuring. |
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As for you Mr BIg K you completely miss the point. I dont care if the house has an advantage and it is fixed 90% in their favour but when i see the wording 'THIS GAME IS RANDOM, IN BIG CAPITAL LETTERS' on ewvery one of these machines and you apply the definition as i have above which is the true definition of 'RANDOM' then there IS a problem, CAN you now see the issue? We all know the goddam machine/house has an advantage but you cant put on that Wording,'THIS MACHINE/GAME IS RANDOM' AND HAVE THE HOUSE HAVE A GUARANTEED ADVANTAGE in other words you cant have both, its one or the other. Can you now see where the misrepesentation is?
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Finally to you 'er what happened there' i just looked at your Blacjack house edge calculator and its a JOKE! following those principles the house advantage is zero or to be precise fractions and fractions of 1% and although this is probably the true house percentage IF PLAYING A PROPER RANDOM GAME IN A CASINO then why does this percentage not apply to Betfairs and Ladbrokes Blackjack where the house edge is much much higher when it should be the same as your calculator because again i stress these games have it in writing 'THIS GAME IS RANDOM'(IN WRITING) so thank you because you have just reinforced the point that these computer blacjack games are NOT RANDOM otherwise their margin would be tiny like a normal casino so finally all you out there need to understand that when these games have 'THIS GAME IS RANDOM IN WRITING' they are clearly NOT THUS THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW, I REALLY REALLY HOPE YOU ALL TRY TO DIGEST EXACTLY WHAT I AM SAYING BECAUSE CLEARLY YOU ARE ALL MISSING THE POINT APART FROM 'RIP OFF' WHO STARTED THIS POST AT THE VERY TOP AND IS INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND
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in other words you cant have both, its one or the other
A live roulette wheel is random, but the house still has an advantage. Random does not mean "no house advantage". You can have both. The same principal applies to blackjack and just about every other gambling game. |
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following those principles the house advantage is zero or to be precise fractions and fractions of 1%
About half a percent to be precise, which is exactly right if you follow basic strategy perfectly. The website makes very clear that it is only quoting figures for basic strategy. why does this percentage not apply to Betfairs and Ladbrokes Blackjack where the house edge is much much higher The RTP quoted for these websites is about 98% giving a house advantage of 2%. Ooooh, you're right  No, of course you're not  The RTP would be 99.5% giving a house advantage of 0.5% if everyone played basic strategy perfectly. They don't. Most people haven't even heard of basic strategy and donk their money away with shabby play. Thus the RTP is lower and the house takings higher. Realistic house takings at live casinos are in the 2% region too. |
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You think you are a real smart****! dont you? Very simple look at my definition of random and if you think these machines play to that 100% of the time then you are a bigger fool that i first thought anyway i am interested in people who i can sue not smartalecs who think they know it all!
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one final point is about that maybe your RTP is correct but it is the way it is done, because these games work in cycles if you are playing at the wrong time you can lose 10 hands in a row, EVEN MORE and you have to wait for the cycle to change and hopefully get a good run and whilst this may equate to 98% RTP OVER A LONG PERIOD it could be over a very very long time and this occurs regularly, the 3 cycle syndrome as i call it 1 some hands you win some you lose, approx 50/50, 2, you win almost every hand and cycle 3 the computer wins every hand, this 3 cycle syndrome is a regular occurence and if you happen to play at the wrong time it will clean you out in MINUTES. THIS TYPE OF FORMAT COULD NOT HAPPEN IF EVERY HAND WAS TRULY RANDOM AND THIS 3 CYCLE SYNDROME MAY HAPPEN JUST BY CHANCE OVER SAY A 3 DAY PERIOD IN A REAL CASINO BUT IT CAN NOT HAPPEN ON A REGULAR BASIS AS THESE MACHINES DO, SO THE RTP IS IRRELLEVANT IT JUST MEANS THE CARDS ARE NOT SELECTED RANDOMLY, IF YOU STILL DONT GET IT , I GIVE UP ON YOU MATE.
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I actually complained to Betfair about a year ago about their blackjack after i had lost 34 hands in a row playing two hands per game, therefore 68 losers in a row. I asked them to look at the hands whose id numbers i identified and asked them to explain to me how they could justify this when the mathmatical odds of such an occurance are billions to one. I am desperately trying to find their email response but it went something like.
"we understand your frustration at the run of hands. however we want to ensure that Betfair poker is fair to everyone and pays out to the advertised percentage which can cause runs like this" I responded to this that it cant be random if the rng is ensuring that the percentage is met and not letting the natural run of cards over time meet the percentage" i got the normal "betfair poker is accessed as random by outside auditors" etc. As soon as i find these emails i will copy and paste them onto here and forward them to anyone who wants to see them. |
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Let me get this right! Are you Mr Second Coming saying that you are playing one box on a blackjack table against the bank and there IS NO ONE ELSE ON THE TABLE?
If this is the case are you actually saying that these computer casino/betting shop blackjack games are 100% Random 100% of the time meaning'LACKING ANY DEFINITE PLAN OR ORDER OR PURPOSE AND HAVING NO SPECIFIC PATTERN OR OBJECTIVE' every time a card is selected either for the player or the bank. Do you actually believe that? because if the answer is NO then you agree with what i am saying and an illegal case of misrepresentation is occuring. Dont think he said that. He said you can play single box in the US. Your arguement was you can play single box online so must be fixed. |
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Finally to you 'er what happened there' i just looked at your Blacjack house edge calculator and its a JOKE! following those principles the house advantage is zero or to be precise fractions and fractions of 1% and although this is probably the true house percentage IF PLAYING A PROPER RANDOM GAME IN A CASINO then why does this percentage not apply to Betfairs and Ladbrokes Blackjack where the house edge is much much higher when it should be the same as your calculator because again i stress these games have it in writing 'THIS GAME IS RANDOM'(IN WRITING) so thank you because you have just reinforced the point that these computer blacjack games are NOT RANDOM otherwise their margin would be tiny like a normal casino so finally all you out there need to understand that when these games have 'THIS GAME IS RANDOM IN WRITING' they are clearly NOT THUS THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW, I REALLY REALLY HOPE YOU ALL TRY TO DIGEST EXACTLY WHAT I AM SAYING BECAUSE CLEARLY YOU ARE ALL MISSING THE POINT APART FROM 'RIP OFF' WHO STARTED THIS POST AT THE VERY TOP AND IS INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND
Never has so much crap been written by one person in such a short space of time. Have you NEVER been in a live casino and won 3 hands in a row. On my phone I have a photo of a Roullete Wheels display In Vegas where the spin was 3 27s, then 13 then 27 and me with the biggest mound of chips I ever had. I play 27 (my lads Bday) and 6 and 13 as they are next to each other on a roullete wheel (in the UK)The odds of 1 particular number coming out in 4 of 5 spins are huge, but it does happen. Love this line i am interested in people who i can sue not smartalecs who think they know it all! You can sue who you want, you wont win |
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This user is online. MarkEitzel Date Joined: 01 Feb 08 Add contact | Send message When: 08 Dec 10 22:39 I actually complained to Betfair about a year ago about their blackjack after i had lost 34 hands in a row playing two hands per game, therefore 68 losers in a row. I asked them to look at the hands whose id numbers i identified and asked them to explain to me how they could justify this when the mathmatical odds of such an occurance are billions to one. I am desperately trying to find their email response but it went something like. "we understand your frustration at the run of hands. however we want to ensure that Betfair poker is fair to everyone and pays out to the advertised percentage which can cause runs like this" I responded to this that it cant be random if the rng is ensuring that the percentage is met and not letting the natural run of cards over time meet the percentage" i got the normal "betfair poker is accessed as random by outside auditors" etc. As soon as i find these emails i will copy and paste them onto here and forward them to anyone who wants to see them. Id have said I was playing Blackjack, not poker ? |
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you are a bigger fool that i first thought
I stay away from games that are biased against me, whether random, r i g g e d, or some combination of the two. Foolish me. You're £66,000 in the hole. Clever you. |