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Around 3.4
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Would love to see AJ hit hard by Wilder
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Thanks wolf
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had he had more power he would've defo stopped AJ..very fast hands..AJ's chin is his Achilles heel bigtime
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Hearn saying AJ is facing the best consistently. LOL
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AJ is to muscly, imagine the oxygen it takes to run those things
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I can remember Dwayne Johnson claiming he leaned down for WWF because it was fast paced and he couldn't keep it up with all the muscle
Similar to boxing |
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Eubank jr is now the flagship of Sky Boxing
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you need to be loose and limber for boxing, if you lift heavy weights like a body builder you get tight, knotty muscles and they restrict all of that and your movement. They give you as much extra power as fat does. Totally useless in boxing
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AJ has actually slimmed down, sure he was much heavier for a few earlier fights
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Have to say I got that totally wrong.
But, very disappointing from Joshua still - I didn't see that poor a performance coming. |
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The thing is though muscle doesn't necessarily mean power
Speed and accuracy = power AJ still has to much muscle tober, far to much, he'd be better letting some of it turn to fat |
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Its to late now though, takes 2 to 3 years to make a proper transformation
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Exactly SS, fury and Usyk look like guys down the pub compared to the likes of Joshua who looks like a sculpted body builder. One of the best pound for pound fighters ever was Joe calzaghe who wasn't heavily muscled at super middleweight compared to some but still blasted out guys looking more impressive
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Tyson never lifted heavy weights. Only body weight, all calisthenics. He looked muscly because he was built that way. The only weights he did were for neck shrugs to strenghten his neck muscles as a ko defence
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Ultimately speed wins out over power in most instances, Joshua is just too slow
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AND THE NEW!......
Oleksandr Usyk is crowned as the new unified world heavyweight champion after a unanimous decision win over Anthony Joshua with scores of 117-112, 116-112, 115-113. |
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https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1441706227071868934
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^Fury sizing up the opposition.
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I think Eddie knows AJ is done hence the DAZN buy out
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AJ knows AJ is done..amazing what hype can do in this 'modern' age
wouldn't put it past the powers that be to fabricate some some sort of virus and brainwash the gullible might even bring the World's economy to a standstill to achieve their nefarious aims..u just never know! |
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The Chisora fight also threw me, must admit - Usyk was so far better today.
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Motivation stu
Hard to get up for a fight like that when you know you can win the world title I guess |
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Fair point yes.
I also didn't see the usual Joshua firepower today - that irks me must admit. |
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Its hard to use the power when you can't get in range, Usyk to quick and tricky for him tonight
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the fury household must be gutted. hopefully he'll take his frustrations out on that idiot wilder next month. but it will be a year before he gets to fight either usyk or AJ. another round or two and usyk had him out of there
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"Joshua - "Do you know what I'm most looking forward to about this fight? Getting back to training ...
this is still training camp. Get this done, then IU get back into training.."" wow nice spot, biscuits |
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interesting reading this thread from the start
think emit and biscuits were the only ones who predicted trouble for AJ |
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Anyone wanna price up the rematch? I'm a AJ backer at anything near to 6/4..
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Careers are defined and immortalised not by unbeaten records or what belts you've won or lost, they're defined by who you fought and when. Ali beat Foreman in his prime and undefeated. Foreman beat Frazier twice when he was 29 and 32, he made Frazier look like a chump and Frazier almost brought Ali to death (Foreman did not let Frazier get on the inside like Ali did). Sugar Ray Leonard beat Duran when at his peak 'no mas'. Joshua's beaten a long list of boxing pensioners years past their best, your Pulev's, Povetkin's, Takem's, Molina's, Sprott's etc, all mid to late 30's, whilst losing to roly-poly Ruiz who trained for the fight by walking to McDonadlds every day instead of getting the bus. Whyte is just a fat barroom brawler. Against Parker he trimmed down and tried to box and move but looked ordinary. Again he's come in less bulky and struggled, he needs to go back to basics and rely on the one attribute he has which is his huge size to win bouts because that's all he's got, he's hasn't the boxing IQ of a Usyk or Fury, started boxing in his late teens, that's too late. The bodybuilder physique will mean he will risk gassing out like he did for a couple rounds v Klitscho early on but it's the best tactic he has to deploy. Heavyweight is the only unlimited weight category, make use of it if you're technically average .
Same with Fraud Mayweather, manufactured legacy, got Canelo early before he was really good, avoided Pacquiao for years with drug excuses and given a 'decision' against De Lay Hoya who for my money won the fight, but he was handpicked because he at the end of his career losing fights to Mosley, Trinidad and a 39/40 year old Hopkins. His last fight v Pacqiao was tragic to watch, in the wrong weight category and couldn't throw a punch from round 7 til it was stopped. Calzaghe was a good boxer but not a great because he was undefeated, throwing a million punches per round to up the fight stats beating journeymen doesn't make you a great fighter, though I think he would have been too quick for Froch, his most notable wins were against Roy Jones and Hopkins, again both fit for the knackers yard, showboating in the fight against Jones was a ridiculous sight, was that meant to convince people of his greatness toying with a boxer years past his peak. The fight against Fury has lost it's shine, it would have broken all sorts of box office records if they both got it on undefeated in their late 20's. That's why Boxing is behind other sports, it's the only top level sport where the best can avoid each other for years whilst make millions coning the fans beating bums, along with this mandatory nonsense which forces fights that people don't want to see. Nobody really wants to see Fury-Wilder 3, Fury has proven to be the better boxer in the first two. In my time watching British boxers, they all demonstrate they have heart, but most of them lack skill, the East Europeans and Americans have always been technically superior, that has to do with poor or outdated training methods. Kind Regards. |
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Some decent points. I wouldn't say Leonard fought peak Duran. Durant's peak was about 1975 and he was chosen as big name that was near the end. Though SRL did beat several greats near their prime.
It does seem all this fkn about with mandatories etc ultimately delays the biggest fights till they are years past sell by date. Pacquiao-Mayweather should have been 2010, I was not gonna pay for it in 2015 and actually gave up when my link buffered halfway through. I guess having half a dozen lower interest fights makes the equivalent cash of the super fight AND you can still have the 'superfight' when both men are some years over the hill. Kell Brook v Amir Khan would have been very interesting up till about 2017, it's a joke now but might still happen in 2022. |
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very good post..mes..you have to bear in mind that the promoters are savvy,knowing they can hype up a fight and sell it easily to the lowest common denominator who make up the audience
there's very little true sport these days..all about the greenback and esp in boxing..smoke and mirrors |
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There is a good series called Kings, it was on Showtime in the US earlier in the year, don't think it has been on over here yet, about the rivalry between Hearns, Hagler, Leonard and Duran. 4 parts with loads of footage from back then when the best fighters fought each other. A good watch if you can get a stream of it.
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how the fck did they have joshua winning up to the 8th round its scary what is happening with boxing fights in england with the judges and refs
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Ultimately you could find flaws with all the so called great fighters throughout history as most of them had huge weaknesses both in their boxing records and style of fighting. Two heavyweights considered the greatest of all time were Ali and Tyson so let's analyse those two where many often fantasise about a fictional computer generated superfight to consider who would be considered the greatest ever.
Ali whilst undoubtedly one of the greatest athletes to have set foot in the boxing ring with incredible stamina and a chin probably second to none, certainly never had the power to even get rid of mediocre journeyman fighters early or at all labouring to contentious points wins for much of his career. The fights against Norton ( last one) Jimmy young , shavers were fights many people including me thought he lost and could quite easily have lost in decisions which were extremely dubious. Three defeats in those fights coupled to the fact he couldn't knock out people like Joe Bugner, Rudi Lubbers would certainly cast doubt on being anywhere near the "greatest ever". His best fight was beating a prime Foreman where he was battered for the whole fight sustaining huge amounts of damage with his " rope a dope" strategy that was enforced upon him as he hadn't the power to do much else and eventually beat a gassed Foreman in sweltering heat. It's no surprise he sadly ended up showing signs of brain damage long before the end of his career as he was used as the metaphorical punch bag for much of it. Then we have the self styled " baddest man" on the planet Mike Tyson.. undoubtedly one of the most exciting fighters in history to watch unlike Ali who was incapable of blowing opponents away like Tyson did to the stooges put infront of him but what great fighters did he actually beat? I wouldn't call paper champions like Berbick, Pinklon Thomas anywhere near great unless you categorise opponents such as Frank Bruno, geriatric larry Holmes, bonecrusher smith to fit that criteria. The only two great heavyweights in Tysons era apart from himself were lennox Lewis and Holyfield where he lost to both men who were both older than a supposedly post peak Tyson |
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Messy babehh Joe was a great, smashed a boxer everyone over the pond thought was the next Tyson, he abused left hook Lacey so bad that night it ended his career also bt a great fighter Kessler in his prime.
You are talking nonense, yes towards the end of his career he moved up weight and bt a few great fighters past there prime but so was he and he moved uo weight to do it and travelled across the pond to do it after spending most of his career at home Calazaghe was a great boxer and rightly induced into the hall of fame. If he was English he would have been a superstar on this Isle a bit like Josh taylor a lot of the English and English media only interested in their own!! Show some respect to Joe and make your points about Joshua pre fight next time  everyone is a expert in hindsight but some of us have been saying Joshua is a hype job for a long time.I think he is mentally savaged as well he speaks so much nonense I do fear for him a bit. Best thing for him to do would be retire or he will end up blowing all his money and on the crack soon when all the hangers on leave him and he realises he was a hype job who just bullied people on home soil with a load of pished up clueless casusals hanging on his every word. |
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Tyson was shot after the Buster fight Wolf was never the same. A prime Tyson before the fame and money effected him would have gone through Lennox and Evander I reckon. Shame he lost his way the way he did, was some beast before he went of the rails.
But after he went of the rails he was a shadow of his formerself. |
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Called it wrong and happy to take it on the chin, but god, I've read and heard some pundit rubbish today, yes i thought joshua would win, but most certainly would never class him as anywhere near elite, last night showed him up for what he isnt. The way some of them are talking, you would think he was ali level pmsl. surprised fury is still 8-15 to win IF they ever meet. think fury would still want to fight him even beltless, just to fcuk him up. Seriously think him and hearn thought he just had to turn up last night, pity it didn't go another round, would have been carried out...
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He probably was Bob, but in judging the greatest heavyweights of all time, it's hard to make a case for a 23 year old being past his prime being considered in that category.
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