Wilder Vs Fury

Rather than relying on what others may or may not have put why not watch the fight and score it yourselves?

I did

Dec 2, 2018 -- 8:02PM, wolf3011 wrote:

Dec  2, 2018 --  7:59PM, n88uk wrote:You have scored the first 5 rounds 2-1 Wilder and 2 even when in those first 5 rounds Wilder landed something like 12 punches to 27 from Fury. You don't get points for punching air.You dont get points for putting a glove out like a feather duster.. rather than looking at stats using a pawing glove as a "punch" why not watch the fight again with no commentary. Its the same as someone judging a football match on "shots on target " when a shot on target could be a hoof from the halfway line trickling into the keepers arms or a point black shot from 6 yards

This is actually wrong, you do get points for anything that lands if the other guy isn't landing anything. It doesn't matter if the punch is feather fisted. Fury was landing with his jab all night long.

And I also I did watch the fight and given I wasn't watching on British coverage I was not influenced by British coverage.

I also gave the 1st 2 rounds to Wilder, although most on here seemed to disagree. I'll look at it again later. Right now I'm still lamenting my losses. I suppose I could've seen the possibilty of a draw and mitigated my position, somewhat. But to be honest, I'm too slow for in-play trading when I'm trying to watch the fight, especially on a stream. There's no way I could've anticipated Fury getting up from the 2nd knockdown, in time to lay Wilder or put some money on Fury or the draw. I just had to leave it and hope for the best. I didn't lose too much on here, but a couple of bookie accounts will need to be replenished.

yeh I wasnt watching UK coverage either, my stream had malinaggi commentating, that wasnt BT was it

Dec 2, 2018 -- 8:15PM, n88uk wrote:

Dec  2, 2018 --  8:02PM, wolf3011 wrote:Dec  2, 2018 --  7:59PM, n88uk wrote:You have scored the first 5 rounds 2-1 Wilder and 2 even when in those first 5 rounds Wilder landed something like 12 punches to 27 from Fury. You don't get points for punching air.You dont get points for putting a glove out like a feather duster.. rather than looking at stats using a pawing glove as a "punch" why not watch the fight again with no commentary. Its the same as someone judging a football match on "shots on target " when a shot on target could be a hoof from the halfway line trickling into the keepers arms or a point black shot from 6 yardsThis is actually wrong, you do get points for anything that lands if the other guy isn't landing anything. It doesn't matter if the punch is feather fisted. Fury was landing with his jab all night long.And I also I did watch the fight and given I wasn't watching on British coverage I was not influenced by British coverage.

Putting a glove in someones face ten times does not outscore 2 powerful punches for eg.. it's all subjective but stand by my scorecard.

Fury consistently landed more power punches than Wilder virtually entire fight. Only R9 and R12 did Wilder land more power punches.

Dec 2, 2018 -- 8:21PM, n88uk wrote:

Fury consistently landed more power punches than Wilder virtually entire fight. Only R9 and R12 did Wilder land more power punches.

Not in my eyes or the judges but I look forward to your published scorecard.

My scoredcard was published RbR during the fight here last night, and has been repeated at least twice in past few hours. R2, R9, R12 Wilder. Rest Fury, so with 2 10-8's, 115-111 Fury.

https://www.boxingscene.com/deontay-wilder-vs-tyson-fury-compubox-punch-stats--134262?print_friendly=1

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See this for power punch break down.

haha look at the 1st 5 rounds total punches landed and wolf u gave 1 round to fury

I suggest u go to specsavers

so boxingscene has a pressure pad on fury/wilder to determine power punches lol? Those stats are utterly meaningless and grant says go to specsavers but 2 out of three judges doing scoring for a living think you're talking **** grant so maybe you should pop along

Dec 2, 2018 -- 8:31PM, GRANTCKING wrote:

haha look at the 1st 5 rounds total punches landed  and wolf u gave 1 round to fury

no I gave it to wilder, no wonder you cant score for ****

what>

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I never said you gave the 1st round to fury read again then go to specsavers

are you backwards fella? Where has my scorecard given one round to Fury?

where did I say you gave round 1 to fury?

Rd 1 Wilder 10 - 9
Rd 2 Wilder 10 - 9
Rd 3 Even   10 - 10
Rd 4 Fury   10 - 9
Rd 5 Even   10 - 10
Rd 6 Fury   10 - 9
Rd 7 Fury   10 - 9
Rd 8 Even   10 - 10
Rd 9 Wilder 10 - 8
Rd10 Fury   10 - 9
Rd11 Even   10 - 10
Rd12 Wilder 10 - 8

haha look at the 1st 5 rounds total punches landed and wolf u gave 1 round to fury

Im not interested in " total punches landed" . A paw in the face is a punch landed and is utterly meaningless

but in the 1st 5 rounds, fury landed more "power punches" than wilder, so how do you explain that then?

Is that how you score a boxing contest? A fighter puts a glove in someones face more times so counts as a punch landed lol- thank fck the judges know more than you do

Dec 2, 2018 -- 8:37PM, GRANTCKING wrote:

but in the 1st 5 rounds, fury landed more "power punches" than wilder, so how do you explain that then?

A silly statistic ,whats defined as a "power punch" someone clicking a little noteboard saying ok thats a power punch?

wolf if u had wilder winning so easy why were u so desperate to cash out?

Dec 2, 2018 -- 8:39PM, GRANTCKING wrote:

wolf if u had wilder winning so easy why were u so desperate to cash out?

Again more bullshit, if you read my scorecard I had them level going into round 12

Dec 2, 2018 -- 8:33PM, wolf3011 wrote:

so boxingscene has a pressure pad on fury/wilder to determine power punches lol? Those stats are utterly meaningless and grant says go to specsavers but 2 out of three judges doing scoring for a living think you're talking **** grant so maybe you should pop along

Ffs they don't run compubox. They are just posting the numbers on their site.

And only 1 judge really heavily disagreed. On top of this what is boxing continually associated with? Crap and dodgy scoring. It plagues the sport and is well known so hiding behind them being professionals is meaningless.

Ive said it was a close fight and a draw wasnt an unfair result, 2 out of 3 judges agree. Statements that Fury was robbed is outrageous

Through 5 rounds the judges had it 4-1 Fury (the same as my card, though not identical), 1 judge had it 4-1 Wilder and that is suspect by like every measure of what was actually going on.

1 out of the 3 judges agree it was a draw. None of them agreed with each other.

1  judge gave it to wilder as I did, one gave it a draw.. Ive no issue with either of those scores as many rounds were close

Well they did an interview on 5 live stating the American judges have wilder 4 rounds up after 4 so who know who had what. I dont particularly like Wilder but scored the fight neutrally like the judges did

What people mainly have issue with is 115-111 Wilder which is total bs, and when you see how he scored it's even more bs. His scorecard barely has any rhyme or reason with what is going on 2. It's especially noticeable alongside the others which are somewhat similar in their make up. His scorecard is totally different, even rounds he gave Fury the other 2 gave Wilder, it's like he was scoring a different fight to everyone else.

American TV if that's what that means had it 3-1 Fury after 4.

your scoring of the 1st 5 rounds isnt backed up by the stats of the fight, simples

https://www.boxingscene.com/deontay-wilder-vs-tyson-fury-official-scorecards-photo--134242

Look at this. There's only 1 scorecard that stands out massively and looks extremely suspect as a result.

Dec 2, 2018 -- 8:44PM, n88uk wrote:

What people mainly have issue with is 115-111 Wilder which is total bs, and when you see how he scored it's even more bs. His scorecard barely has any rhyme or reason with what is going on 2. It's especially noticeable alongside the others which are somewhat similar in their make up. His scorecard is totally different, even rounds he gave Fury the other 2 gave Wilder, it's like he was scoring a different fight to everyone else.

You may be right and dont disagree but the bottom line is it was a close fight so cant see the outrage at Fury not getting it.

This is why blind believing judges know in boxing doesn't work. The judges in Gvozdyk vs Stevenson yday had through 10, Stevenson up by 6, up by 2, and a draw. It was going to be a huge robbery if Stevenson had made the cards.

Dec 2, 2018 -- 8:44PM, GRANTCKING wrote:

your scoring of the 1st 5 rounds isnt backed up by the stats of the fight, simples

You can't use stats in boxing- what a " power punch " constitutes is subjective from one man to the next. All anyone can do is watch each round and look at everything in terms of what they see. Fury could have tickled Wilder with his glove 20 times in a round equalling  20 punches on target with Wilders 2 punches causing Fury to reel back. Quantity doesnt triumph over quality so these stats are meaningless. Furys "power punch" could be landed 5 times , Wilder could land one causing Furys legs to go - that doesnt mean a ratio of 5-1 = a Fury winning round

BTW after I traded out I wanted Fury to win so am not a Wilder fan lol

Dec 2, 2018 -- 8:48PM, n88uk wrote:

This is why blind believing judges know in boxing doesn't work. The judges in Gvozdyk vs Stevenson yday had through 10, Stevenson up by 6, up by 2, and a draw. It was going to be a huge robbery if Stevenson had made the cards.

Yes the politics around boxing mean that a good % of the judges in big fights are biased. they have their own agenda, depending on which sanctioning body has wined and dined them the best

W olf3011

What are your qualifications to score a boxing match or are you just a financially interested amateur.

I was with Wolf and Des but I deffo cant have Wilder winning the first round and I had the 2nd a 10-10.

How did you 2 have the first Golovkin v Canello fight.

It was a similar situation as this. One wild card that was clearly way out. But that is not enough to call
a robbery (which most of the world did). I had it a draw/1 round to canello but was in a small minority.

It was a case of a come forward fighter landing way more shots than his rival but 97% were straight on the gloves. I was giving much more credence to Canellos way less work rate but much cleaner/sharper work that was landing with more precision and power.

Ok lets keep it simple on Wilder /Fury.. people say they give the first round to Fury. The first round starts at 5 mins 40 secs in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fJcTGC5H20

Please explain to me what fury does to win that round. It's close but Wilder backs him up for much of the round ,lands more meaningful shots and wins the round. Fury has perhaps a little flurry near the end but the round belongs to Wilder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fJcTGC5H20

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showtime had fury winning on points easily didnt they? how do you explain that? if they were gonna be biased to anyone it wouldve been their fellow yank

farhood had it 4-1 and Mayweather 5-0 to fury after 5. wolf is very obviously pocket talking.

Im not pocket talking anything, I traded out in the last round so couldnt care less.

Just dealing with the first round alone, Fury landed one good right hand- thats not enough to win a round back peddling flicking out jabs that didn't land

I think its time we all just agree to disagree and hope the rematch will have a conclusive result with no controversy

I gave it to Fury despite having the fight a draw.

I thought Wilder landed about 7 weak shots and 1 decent power shot. I had Fury landing only
3 weak shots but 3 power shots. That's enough for me.

Anyone could have given it to either fighter or a draw like a fair few rounds.

Dec 2, 2018 -- 10:53PM, Captain carnage wrote:

I gave it to Fury despite having the fight a draw.I thought Wilder landed about 7 weak shots and 1 decent power shot. I had Fury landing only 3 weak shots but 3 power shots. That's enough for me. Anyone could have given it to either fighter or a draw like a fair few rounds.

Im amazed you could give the round to Fury but regardless, it highlights how close many rounds were and given the fact we had two 10-8 rounds with Fury hitting the canvas twice, I fail to see how anyone can have Fury winning the fight. Even getting away from the scoring, Wilder wasn't hurt at any stage whilst Fury was dropped on two occasions a second away from being counted out- hardly robbery

N88uk is right that drawn rounds are almost unheard of in boxing, even when hardly anything has happened in the round.

We might think the boxing scoring system is stupid, but when scoring fights ourselves we may as well accept how it works in reality.

Dec 3, 2018 -- 1:14AM, tobermory wrote:

N88uk is right that drawn rounds are almost unheard of in boxing, even when hardly anything has happened in the round.We might think the boxing scoring system is stupid, but when scoring fights ourselves we may as well accept how it works in reality.

The Americans rarely use the 10-10 scoring system but you frequently get tied rounds in Europe. If you are just going to pick a winner in a 50/50 round like flipping a coin, its no wonder we get such huge variances across scorecards. Imagine the scenario , Boxer A and boxer B tie  round one but a judge picks boxer A based on one more jab landed in the first round. In the second round boxer B comprehensively out boxes boxer A  winning the round with ease but after the 2 rounds going into round three the judges have the fight level when in reality boxer B has been comfortably the better fighter. This pattern continues and you get a close decision in a fight where boxer B completely outclasses his opponent. People should comment on what they see and if they can't separate two fighters, should score the round level.

In hindsight Fury should have tied him up in that final round, his corner must have know he was up in the fight? and avoid another silly knockdown or KO?

If he hadn't have gone down in that 12th it would have been much tougher to get away with scoring it a draw imo, Wilder would have had one sloppy knock down all fight and wouldn't have had an argument.

nothing against Davison as he's done a bloody good job of getting Tyson back motivated again

But those late rounds he needed Peter Fury there imo, esp going into the 12th.

yeh I said exactly the same thing in play after round 10

Dec 2, 2018 -- 5:27AM, GRANTCKING wrote:

fury just has to jab and grab, earn ur money ben davison

`Peter would have won him the fight if there instead of Davison.' OMFG.

Peter and Tysons Father have been caught on camera saying they feared for him in this fight on the back of 2 fights v doormen.

What Davison did to get him in the physical condition he was in is nothing short of the most remarkable piece of coaching/conditioning I have ever seen. He will have many top class fighters phoning him up as we speak.

I think it is massive mistake for judges not to want to give drawn rounds. If there is a clear/decisive winner of the round give it. If not dont.

Otherwise you end with all the terrible scoring ith certain judges giving a number of nothing rounds to a fighter just because he walks forward etc.

The single best thing they could do to improve scoring is to encourage Judges to give tight rounds as what they are a DRAW.

Ans PS. There is never anything tight about a round where you put your opponent on his arse.

If you do that you deserve at least a 10-8 round unless the other guy then has you punch drunk on the ropes and saved by the bell.

All that utter garbage about the first ko should only be a 10-9 round Wilder. Ffs - go back to your Tommy Robinson marches you inbred knovbbbs.

who said a knockdown round should be 10-9?

Virtually all knockdowns are scored 10-8, who has said otherwise?

Nov 30, 2018 -- 7:58PM, Charlton2005 wrote:

Callisto-moon 29 Nov 18 12:54 Joined: 08 Aug 16 | Topic/replies: 3,149 | Blogger: Callisto-moon's blog exatly, you don't come back from what fury has done to himself! you don't come back.let alone what he has been throughbob and grant obviously too young to have seen this all before.

Like I said he just had a couple of years of a few beers a few lines no biggy! A little rest never hurt anyone ya mugs

Dec 1, 2018 -- 1:57PM, bobweenit wrote:

Nov 30, 2018 --  8:09PM, Charlton2005 wrote:for anyone thinking of backing fury, have a watch of ali-williams, ali-folley and ali-bonavenaassume that frazier is a reasonable proxy for wilder. now ask yourself, is fury a reasonable proxy for ali?fury has two chances.1. none2. none at allFury just had a reat a few pints and is in better shaer thane ever! Not a great boxing historian but I assume you are talking accout when Ali fought on after being past it shape worn and getting on in age? Tyson is still young and not had any tough fights

Has Castillo-moon been seen of late? Or is he begging his boss 4 overtime

Dec 1, 2018 -- 4:40PM, wolf3011 wrote:

Biggest bet of the year for me on wilder to win and if he doesn't I'll be calling it a day on here.

He is still posting I see! no doubt he traded out at the perfect time

Dec 3, 2018 -- 8:27PM, bobweenit wrote:

Dec  1, 2018 --  4:40PM, wolf3011 wrote:Biggest bet of the year for me on wilder to win and if he doesn't I'll be calling it a day on here.He is still posting I see! no doubt he traded out at the perfect time

I dont know what you are crowing about you muppet , you backed Fury to win by knockout. If they were still fighting now your bet wouldnt have come in

Nov 28, 2018 -- 12:57PM, bobweenit wrote:

People underestimating Fury's power!If Wilder is swinging away Fury is more than capable of sparking him clean

What a load of fooking ****

so you don't think Fury is capable of sparking Wilder clean out? Bigger mug than I thought!

Dec 3, 2018 -- 8:36PM, bobweenit wrote:

so you don't think Fury is capable of sparking Wilder clean out? Bigger mug than I thought!

no , Fury doesnt have the power and never troubled wilder once in terms of getting the knockout. A stupid bet from a stupid poster trying to mock others with that load of garbage as a prediction

My bet was a second from coming in , when did your Fury KO prediction ever look like coming in? Anyone that watches boxing knows Wilder has a solid chin with Fury being a boxer rather than a banger. Back in your box and count your losses.. I dont mind someone like grant mocking my wilder win prediction as he was closer to being correct but a poster who backed Fury to win by ko trying to give it the big un- toddle off.

But he is capable was my point and he troubled him throughout the fight! What was keeping  Wilder off? baby punches? Every man and his dog had Fury winning easily and he got robbed! And you said Wilder was a 1.2 shot only stupid poster here is you lad.

Dec 3, 2018 -- 8:40PM, wolf3011 wrote:

My bet was a second from coming in , when did your Fury KO prediction ever look like coming in? Anyone that watches boxing knows Wilder has a solid chin with Fury being a boxer rather than a banger. Back in your box and count your losses.. I dont mind someone like grant mocking my wilder win prediction as he was closer to being correct but a poster who backed Fury to win by ko trying to give it the big un- toddle off.

my prediction won all fight never made the prediction he would knock him out!

Nov 28, 2018 -- 12:55PM, bobweenit wrote:

FURY IS THE BET OF THE DECADE ! FILL YOUR BOOTS ON THE 2.7 AND 9 AVAILABLE BY TKO/KO

that 2.7 traded low enough for me to make a nice amount you kid yourself you traded out at the right time tho ya joker

Every man and his dog didnt have Fury winning or he would be world champion wouldnt he you gormless chump. If you read the thread there is more than me who think that a draw was affair result. You stated what the odds were for a Fury KO, he wouldnt have knocked wilder out if they were still fighting now ffs

If Wilder would have gone for it a bit more he would have done! Fury has big ko percentage and is capable but very rarely unloads !

ok everyman and his dog bar the bent judges

Bottom line is Bobby boy your bet was as far away as mine as coming in, infact further so pipe down. You would be entitled to comment if your bets came in , but neither of them did like mine didn't. I also said anything can happen in professional boxing and would never say anything was a dead cert like others have said earlier in the thread.

but I am sure Mayweather and Andre Ward are gormless chumps too ! Both said Fury was robbed and both the best W champs of the last decade

Dec 3, 2018 -- 8:47PM, wolf3011 wrote:

Bottom line is Bobby boy your bet was as far away as mine as coming in, infact further so pipe down. You would be entitled to comment if your bets came in , but neither of them did like mine didn't. I also said anything can happen in professional boxing and would never say anything was a dead cert like others have said earlier in the thread.

Ok thats a fair point Wolf we were both wrong let's move on

lol , lets hope the rematch has at least one of our bets coming in

Fury did well, much better than any of us thought tbh especially with the long lay off

Nah have to disagree there wolf I said he would be fitter than ever tbf and he has had a long time to get himself in shape. I think a lot of people made a lot of his 2 comeback fight tbh he is 1 of them sportsmen who raises his game to the better opponents and put the hard work in! He was always going to be in good shape a lot better than the 2 previous who he knew he could bt when pissed. And so many people making a huge deal about the lay off!
All he did was eat some food and drinks some beer for a few months, I dont reckon he smashed the coke to hard that's what would ruin you if you were on it to long and he hasn't mentioned it much so just assume it was a month or 2. '

Dec 1, 2018 -- 1:57PM, bobweenit wrote:

Nov 30, 2018 --  8:09PM, Charlton2005 wrote:for anyone thinking of backing fury, have a watch of ali-williams, ali-folley and ali-bonavenaassume that frazier is a reasonable proxy for wilder. now ask yourself, is fury a reasonable proxy for ali?fury has two chances.1. none2. none at allFury just had a reat a few pints and is in better shaer thane ever! Not a great boxing historian but I assume you are talking accout when Ali fought on after being past it shape worn and getting on in age? Tyson is still young and not had any tough fights

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what are some people on wilder has a good chin er no and tyson fury would not knock me out

Dec 3, 2018 -- 10:23PM, superjudge wrote:

what are some people on wilder has a good chin er no and tyson fury would not knock me out

How does wilder not have a good chin? Did you not see his last fight before Fury for eg .. how many times has wilder been down. What a ridiculous post

wolf you do talk like a prick.the fight before fury the bell saved him.it well known hes chinney hes been kod in sparring ffs.

Dec 4, 2018 -- 7:42AM, superjudge wrote:

wolf you do talk like a prick.the fight before fury the bell saved him.it well known hes chinney hes been kod in sparring ffs.

so a fighter that has never been knocked down has a bad chin because he has been ko'd in sparring apparently.. you thick b*stard lol. Having a bad chin means being knocked down easily not standing there with the "bell saving him" you imbecile

superjudge " it's well known he's chinney" .. by who, some tosspot on an internet forum like you?

and as for your comment " fury wouldn't knock you out " - a gust of wind would blow you over you puny runt so stop playing the hardman behind your computer supermong / superjudge/ superted whatever you're calling yourself.

let it go wolf.you have done your money get over it ffs

Ive done nothing, more by luck than any judgement as I laid it off last round not that it's relevant.

easy pickings for AJ now, two big pay days two more easy wins.

thats how i see it moon.think hes a bigger certainty aginst fury because he cant hit. wilder a lot more dangerous because of the power.8/11 sportsbook to beat fury will have my biggest ever bet.

Joshua combines the best of both Wilder and Fury- he hits harder than Fury and is far better technically than Wilder. Fury probably has more fighting heart than either but simply doesn't have the power to finish elite heavyweights off so would only be able to outpoint Joshua. Joshua is no Wilder, he's far better technically with almost as much power and think 8/11 would be decent odds... but then you  write Fury off at your peril as we have seen against klit and wilder.

looking at the last round again, It looks as though Fury wasn't actually out. I couldn't see clearly the first couple of seconds that he was on the canvas, but from about the count of 3 his eyes were open, and he seemed to be aware of what was going on. I'm not absolutely sure that his head even hit the canvas. So. maybe it wasn't so surprising after all, that he got up.

Des when he landed on the canvas his body didnt twitch. That is the tell tale sign he was gone.

It was the most remarkable `get up' in the history of sport surely after what hes been doing the last 3 years. I deffo want a drugs test though!

Ah well, never mind Captain. Nowt we can do about it, anyway. Time to move on to the next Card.