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26 Nov 12
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Who is showing this live? Is it on the undercard of a proper fight or a complete one off novelty?
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Manchester Arena (formerly M.E.N Arena), Manchester, Lancashire, United Kingdom view
welterweight Denton Vassell SC Ronnie Heffron 12x3 welterweight Bradley SaundersSC Peter McDonagh 8x3 middleweight Liam Williams SC TBA heavyweight Andrew Flintoff SC RichardDawson light welterweight Lewis Rees SCTBA middleweight Matthew Hall SC TBA |
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Roger
Box nation has the flintoff card and the David Price V Matt Skelton card this Friday £10 I think |
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I`ve a horrible feeling poor Freddie might get massacred in there.
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I wish I knew anything solid about Dawson , as at close to evens this could be the one that got away, but on the other hand knowing this game he might be here for a lie down.
I think you need to be close to the camp to know if he is a bet. |
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i dont think they'd let him fight dawson if they thought he was any good.
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Yes he must be the worst opponent they could find with an unbeaten record, I believe he is 2-0, but as bad as he maybe , if he is any sort of boxer he may still be a great bet. I am sure the people who know more than me and have seen the guy box will know what to do .
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Trying to get a bit more info via twitter lads. Keep in mind it could be a complete fix.
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cant see how theyd let him loose after all this press.. agree cud be a fix
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If this is legit 11/10 seems one of the all time lays and I don't say that lightly.
I don't think Freddie's physique is impressive at all, he still looks skinny fat to me and a very weak looking heavyweight. After watching him sparring I'm still unimpressed and I don't think he's one of these natural sportsmen who can look good at any sport. His opponent is a professional boxer with a 2-0 record. I just can't see how he can lose when he's boxed for maybe 10 years and obviously excelled enough to turn pro and beat two other pro boxers as well. Any pro heavyweight who couldn't knock Flintoff out within the first round should be looking for another career IMO. My only fear for not laying Flintoff for as much as possible is if the other boxer has been paid off to make a good bit of tele out of it. |
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I may be being naive but I can't imagine someone giving up his unbeaten record to a non boxer for a few quid and turning himself into a world wide laughing stock.
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I just can't see how he can lose when he's boxed for maybe 10 years and obviously excelled enough to turn pro and beat two other pro boxers as well
His amateur career might have been 2 fights as well ,as might the careers of the guys he beat |
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He beat a guy who was also having his debut then beat an 0-4 record. Hardly worth dying for that record is it, especially if there's guaranteed money on the table and he doesn't really fancy himself as making any impact on the sport.
He's 283 in the American Heavyweight rankings but on the flipside he has got youth and I can't imagine a fiddle would offer any sort of substantial pay off. If he uses his head he'll be going for gold Dawson. A win here and you're automatically in the next heavyweight prizefighter at worst, possibly even David Price's next opponent the way his path is developing. |
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Duke makes a good point, at the very least he'll have another payday in Prizefighter.
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Johnny nelson went pro with a 3-10 record you don't need to excel to turn pro. My feeling is freddie will win, he'll look awful in doing so but I can see what barry's doing in the training camp he's focusing completely on workrate "fill every second with action" his opponent is handpicked by barry and so I think freddie will basically outhustle him. Dawson has two wins but his second opponent was 0-4 and he only decisioned him by a round. Freddie has been sparring fighters a lot more talented then this guy, I know first hand fighting is a different ball game but I fancy he'll do it.
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The first I've seen of this was the weigh in on TV this morning, Flintoff looked terrified.
Just had a few quid at 4/5, sparring with a helmet on is one thing...... |
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no bet for me but Dawson must be awful if he doesnt win comfortably tonight
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I think the same , how bad must Dawson be not to win easily tonight.
I was trying to think of any British heavyweight , how ever bad that would be this price tonight and I just cannot ? Will he be told to take it easy ? How bad will it be for all concerned with Flintoff if he does get badly KO ? these are the factors that we all know make him the price he is , we dont know what is going on behind the scenes. I know Flintoff has lost some weight and fairplay to him for doing it, but he has still only been doing this a few months and should be taken to school by a pro and I know he is sparring, but if this guy is really intent on taking his head off, he should be long odds on. |
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Hand picked by Barry to lose, never forget doing my bollocks in on Khan to get hammered by the guy he fought in the Olympics, that was an expensive lesson.
Flintoff win tonight. (however bad he is) |
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I get the impression many think the american is a proper boxer.
Nothing he has done yet suggests he is. Watching the "from lords to the ring" doc. the flintoff camp have not cut any corners in fact they are providing him with specialists that only the top pro's would get. |
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freddie wants to keep to modeling and adverts less painful,unless hes on the catwalk with robbie savage
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stevie gerard would beat the pair of them,judgeing by his night club fight,looked impressive,better than his soccer.
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I dont think the Flintoff fight is worth having a bet on to be honest......way too many unknowns. This Dawson lad looks awfull to me and im not sure we can class him as a proper 'pro' with his record. He's been plucked from that massive boxing city of Oklahoma with his 2-0 record to come over here and fight an ex cricketer........massive no bet for me. If i had a gun to my head id rather be with Dawson but i honestly believe this could be a bit of a stitch up.
Of tonights other fights i like 'fight to end in the 11th or after' in the Vassell/Heffron fight........its 5/6 with SJ's. These guys are probably of a similar level and neither has a particular big dig on them. Heffron hasnt been the full 12 before and fighting a guy of Vassells calibre, i think he will want to pace himself.......likewise Denton is coming off a long lay off and will want a few rounds getting the rust knocked off. I dont usually like these 'overs' bets as the potential for headclashes, cuts ect makes them a punters graveyard but i was suprised at the price available. Not sure what to make of the Price/Skelton fight. A complete blowout by Price in the first 2 or 3 wouldnt suprise me but im not sure the odds are much value. I have a feeling Skelton might have the nouse to make it over 3 rounds but he's giving up just about everything (speed, height, power, age, ability). Probably a no bet for me. Guzman fight looks interesting too lads. He looks to be taking things a little more serious these days but i havent seen anything of the Rusky......opinions on that one if anyone has one? Good luck with your bets lads. |
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Heffron/Vassell has flown under the radar but is the fight I'm most looking forward to. Vassell has fought better opposition, can't see why he's the outsider other than he's not with Warren.
The one question that is bugging me with the Flintoff fight is, why not pick a domestic heavyweight? why is this guy coming from America, that worries me. |
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exactly my thoughts owl. I honestly think there's a chance this guy could be coming to roll over. Its no detriment to him as he can return to the US with very little bad press and he's had a nice little earner.
His 'look' and first two fights give the impression he doesnt have much of a career infront of him so he doesnt need to worry about his '0'. I think there's some money to be made if Flintoff pulls this off so the choice and obscurity of his opponent makes me wonder. |
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The more I think about it I can see it just panning out like 4 rounds of sparring.
I just cannot believe ( however bad this guy maybe ) that they would let someone go out and give it 100% against Flintoff, just say he did get badly KOd or hurt , it would go down so badly and I cannot see that risk being taken. I am sure they have had a word with Dawson here . Sparring in a controlled situation when you can put your hand up and take a breather when you get hurt is a mile away from a full on bout and I cannot see this being a genuine all out fight. maybe a 4 round bore draw is a posssibility. |
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as others have said Dawson has been handpicked by Barry McGuigan for freddie
The american looks like a fat tub of lad people need to stop thinking that this is a proper fight coz it really isnt, its pure theater and a bit of entertainment, and one must suspect that with the whole media circus that Flintoff will win |
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X fat tub of lard ! X
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which channel is showing the fight please ?
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Boxnation
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Yeah I think the draw could be worth a punt. Everyone's a winner that way. Looks appealing at 9/1 in a four rounder anyway
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four two minute rounds
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the gym i go to has 3 heavy weight boxers who do the white collar shows all 3 would knock freddie out in the 1st round
he cant punch straight and has no defence to make things even worse he doesnt like being punched and is worried about hitting his opponent incase he hurts them you couldnt make it up if there was a reason for sombody no to become a boxer he would tick all the boxers i cant beleive all this hasnt put carl framptons nose out everytime ive seen him hes in the background not looking to impressed if he was doing a white collar against a opponent who had never boxed i wouldnt fancy his chance let alone a pro fight first time dawson connects game over only danger is its all a big fix as a proud englishman freddie has made the hairs stick up on my arms and almost had me in tears when playing cricket for england but wtf is he doing he cant box doesnt matter who teaches him and how fit he gets hes missing the core of what is needed just hope he doesnt get hurt |
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people can get killed boxing
i suspect this fight wont be the real thing but any heavyweight in the world should be able to knock him spark out in the first round |
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Dawson into 4/6 on most books now. just over 8/11 on here/
im not putting anything on him but i will be f**king sick if he wins |
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people need to consider that the McGuigans have been training freddie for months and that he has sparred over 300 rounds.
He looks in better shape than the yank who is two stone heavier. It just seems unlikely to me that after going on this "journey" and the TV show on sky that freddie would lose his first bout. |
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Not sure that the Yank saw that program, though.
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If this isnt fixed Dawson will win easily. Like someone sed Dawson can't be willing to humilate himself and lose his unbeaten record for a bit of cash. Probably making a fortune from it anyway.
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Gotta back the draw .This bout stinks.
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what time are we expecting the fight?
im going to stream it off the net, who in their right mind supports this with their hard earned |