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Anyone had a bet on this yet?
Looks like the value has gone completely. Ive had a good go on Haye KO at 9/4 but best price 13/8 now with same company. Also backed Haye outright at 1/2 to cover myself - in a round about fashion, don't normally hedge or do 'covers'.
Looks like the value has gone completely. Ive had a good go on Haye KO at 9/4 but best price 13/8 now with same company. Also backed Haye outright at 1/2 to cover myself - in a round about fashion, don't normally hedge or do 'covers'.
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Kept it simple so far fight not to go distance 6-5
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Strongly feel both of saturday's big fights are mismatches.
Already got the haye ko and khan ko covered in a treble. Also had a reasonable double haye/khan rds 1-6. Probably going to perm Haye/Khan rounds 1-3 to tiny stakes too. I could be wrong but from the preview shows it just doesn't look like Chisora is taking the fight seriously to me, wouldn't suprise me at all if he looks in bad nick on the night. He's already massively up against it on the form book so would be madness if he isn't trained to perfection but who knows what goes on in that head. |
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Agree think Garcia is in way over his head. Khan KO for me as well, as a bit of rnds 1-6
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Stayed well away from the Khan Garcia fight. Simply don't know enough about Garcia. Sounds like you guys have it covered so may well follow you. No way Haye and Booth come out of 'retirement' if they aren't totally convinced they can beat Chisora. Interested (as always) to see how (if) Sky Bet price up my fav market - anytime knockdown.
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They came out of "retirement" for the sack loads of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ they'll be getting
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haye to win will be my ber but getting shorter
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HAYE By TKO, round 5 or round 6
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Haye or
khan win 1/4 khan ko 7-12 and cover pts. May do 10-12 ko and pts I'm going with smido on the haye bet |
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Had a good think about the heavyweight clash last night. Think Haye's key punch will be the lunging/ reaching lead right straight down the middle. Chisora will of course try to cancel out Haye's work by getting in close as much as possible. There's no way Haye and Booth aren't going to be prepared for Chisora's come forward/ get close strategy. Whether that be punch and run or hold often on the inside. Can just see Chisora getting picked off with single straight shots all night long. Possibly forcing a cornet stoppage as Chisora's face swells badly.
The 4/1 on offer for a Haye stoppage in rounds 7-12 looks pretty decent at this stage as I can't see the Hayemaker charging in for the kill early when Chisora will be dangerous. A lot of it is about inteligence for me. Haye has the ability to change strategy throughout the fight if need be. Chisora is mad enough to do something daft and can't see him bringing anything to the party we haven't seen from him before. As many have said before - cracking fight just a shame what events have lead to the fight. |
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Yes that's bang on, haye will be going for the lunging straight right through the middle but I'm expecting chisora to make haye miss with quite a few of them with the peek a boo defence he usedto great effect v vitali. Of course hate is much faster, but lovly motion from chisora wen slipping the right just like Frazier. Of course not as quick or good but still a good tactic which might see him land a good left hook.
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smido25
10 Jul 12 10:14 Joined: 27 Mar 11 | Topic/replies: 141 | Blogger: smido25's blog Had a good think about the heavyweight clash last night. Think Haye's key punch will be the lunging/ reaching lead right straight down the middle. Chisora will of course try to cancel out Haye's work by getting in close as much as possible. There's no way Haye and Booth aren't going to be prepared for Chisora's come forward/ get close strategy. Whether that be punch and run or hold often on the inside. Can just see Chisora getting picked off with single straight shots all night long. Possibly forcing a cornet stoppage as Chisora's face swells badly. The 4/1 on offer for a Haye stoppage in rounds 7-12 looks pretty decent at this stage as I can't see the Hayemaker charging in for the kill early when Chisora will be dangerous. A lot of it is about inteligence for me. Haye has the ability to change strategy throughout the fight if need be. Chisora is mad enough to do something daft and can't see him bringing anything to the party we haven't seen from him before. As many have said before - cracking fight just a shame what events have lead to the fight. Good summary Smido. Only thing I will add is that only a idiot wouldnt get prepared for Chisora's "style". The big negative though is the Haye camp have never believed in roadwork hence why he blows out of his backside after six. This is the only thing what would put me off backing Haye. No roadwork for me is just plain stupid, obviously you've also got to worry if his toes hold up  |
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for me its all about which haye turns up the brawler in the press room (wheelbarrow job) or the ive got a broken toe dont want to know haye
hopefully its the pressroom haye in my opinion haye was ridiculed after the klitschko fight and rightly so but i reckon it must of hurt him big time and come saturday if he puts on a show and knocks delboy out all will be forgotten im backing haye for the early stoppage 1-6 with a few quid more on 3and4 but like i said thats just my opinion of the fight |
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do you guys reckon Haye hits harder than Helenius,Fury ,Vitali then...
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Haye cant punch wont stop him how does he win ??
unless loony tunes does something looney i think its a chisora round 9 |
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Vitali I'd say no. Fury I'm certain he does, Helenius probably not. But has I've always said with Haye it s the shot you dont see what KO'S you or drops you much like Manny's power.
If we go into the 2nd half of the fight saturday and Haye hasnt casued big damage I think he's in trouble |
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haye cant punch
Not sure how you've come to that conclusion? Perhaps it's the 85% ko ratio? Or the way he put Ruiz on his arse with the first punch of the fight? Or the way he had Valuev doing the chicken dance in round 12? Fair enough the concussive one punch ko power might not be there at heavyweight but he can certainly still punch. They'll certainly be faster punches than Helenius, Fury and old man Vitali threw. Half the problem with Haye at heavyweight has been his caution and reluctance to get hit by the real big lumps like Valuev and Wlad...I just don't see that Del Boy has the power to keep him in his shell. Chisora to be dropped multiple times for a tko type stoppage for me. |
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Some cracking debate here lads. Plenty of for and against. Can't see Chisora being knocked down if honest and don't really buy this stamina argument with Haye. The one and only time he gassed in my book was way back against Mr Thompson in 2004.
Like Pairs' point about Haye out to make a point and repair reputation. This isn't the end result for Haye and wouldn't come out of 'retirement' just for Del Boy. |
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Does Haye still have doubts about his stamina? He never seems to fight at a high tempo. He was very reluctant for 2 rounds against Fraudley until he realised there was no danger, was happy to cruise against Ruiz and Valuev, never tried to get Klitschko out of his rythem. Is he a genuine Heavy ? His record flatters to deceive - Ruiz was past it, Barret a small heavy oft beaten, Farudley (say no more), Valuez a slow, limited, plodding 312 lb lump. As highlighted above, Chisora has stood up to the elder Klitschko and Fury for 12 rounds when overweight by almost 2 stone, He will probably weigh in fit at 240 lbs to Hayes 217. If Haye doesn't go to work on him early and inflict some damage, Chisora may well be the man getting stronger as this wears on. I don't see much value in Haye.
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what time do you all think this fight will actually start then?
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Warren says they have to be out of Upton Park by 11:30pm so will be finished before then.
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good debate here. Feel Haye will have to much class for Chisora and if he gets in and out with his shots without letting chisora steam roller into him up close all the time he could have the big man down within 7.
Even though Haye had a poor showing v klits he went the full 12 rounds against the supposed best in the world so there cant really be to much doubts on his stamina if you are thinking of this before possibly punting on Haye if this does going into the later rounds. One things for sure haye will certainly be better conditioned than Chisora who could barely stand towards the end of his slug fest v fury |
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I would like to take issue there. Haye may look better but this aint a weight lifting contest Chisora has greater stamina than Haye cos he actually does roadwork. There is no way Haye would of survived the Klitschko Chisora pace.
Watch the Ruiz fight to see Haye's stamina issues |
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I personally think Haye is too short based on what we have seen. Sure he's the better skilled fighter and deserves to be favourite but when Chisora gets his act together he can really give people problems, i.e Vitali, Helenius....... That was Vitali's hardest test for years and even though he's getting on a bit he wasnt comfortable in there at any point during the whole 12 rounds.
If Del Boy can bring that again i can see him giving Haye plenty of problems especially if the fight goes long. Booth better have a strategy for keeping Derek off because he's going to be coming all night. So how will Chisora stad up to Haye's punches, that is unknown for me as he looks to have a solid chin but he's not been in with a speedster like Haye before. Out of all the bets for this fight id say the 'not to go distance' looks best at 11/10. |
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Hearing unconfirmed reports that this fight is a 10 rounder. It's not on BoxRec at all so need to hear it from the horses mouth to confirm or not confirm.
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usually they tag on some mickey mouse belt to make it a 'title' fight and go the 12 rounds
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It s a 10 rounder
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Hmmm, this could get messy re bets already placed seeing as it was priced up as a 12 rounder.
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10 rounder! Your joking
 . It hadnt even entered my head that it would be.Would be interested to know who pushed harder for it to be so......... not sure the bookies will be upto speed on it either so could be some argueing over the bets here.......didnt we have a fight the other week with a bit of controversy over it being 10 and some bets being voided. |
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alabaster crashes down 11 Jul 12 21:46
Hmmm, this could get messy re bets already placed seeing as it was priced up as a 12 rounder. Wat know. I too was under the impression it was a 12 rounder |
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Just spoke to Hills they said they would contact me when they get it confirmed but it is a 10rounder. Warren confirmed it
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This is certainly gona get messy now.
All bets placed from now should surly stand. Dnt know wars gobs happen to the previous bets. The fight could be closer than 1st thought. Think chisora is gona go mental and he looks very true |
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****ing nuisance this is. Shouldn't really have any bearing on my bets but have to do a load of ringing round tomorrow now to confirm they stand. Some accounts not in my name too (you know how it is)...pain in the arse.
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Feel Alabaster's pain RE accounts not in his name lol
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How the f*ck can a fight like this only be a 10 rounder, Warren will get some stick and rightly so.
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10 rounds? WTF?
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Dnt know where 10 rounds came from???
Chisora true to his words looks fantatic. No messing about and totaly serious. Am suprised. His come to win. |
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this fight is only 10 rounds?
surely that's better for Haye then? |
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I'm going to keep this short and sweet if Tyson Fury can beat Del boy and god that fight was awful... Haye is going to bring the pain and knock this fool down for the second time.
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Haye "A fight the public demanded"
 yeah keep telling yourself that |