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Wilycayote
27 Sep 18 21:56
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time of year when the new retirees get announced. feel free to add flesh to the rumours....
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Report Wilycayote September 27, 2018 9:57 PM BST
G Scott announced that James Garfield retires after Longchamp. odds-on in IRE
Report sageform September 28, 2018 9:07 AM BST
A nearly horse if ever there was one. Fortunately he usually started at an e/w price as he was often placed.
Report truehoncho October 2, 2018 12:10 PM BST
From a good family and should be popular. What about Invincible Army? and how much for Lightening Spear?
Report e14 October 2, 2018 2:37 PM BST
I may have missed it (apologies if being stupid!) but it looks like Cracksman's next run (in either the Arc or Champion Stakes) will be his last before being retired - presumably to stud. Anyone know where he will stand?
Report Formtwist October 5, 2018 8:09 AM BST
Lightning Spear £8500 I hear Truehonch which seems a bit high to me but he has appeal. So far we have him, Tasleet Massaat and Saxon Warrior I think as new sires.Darley retirees could be interesting this time, and personally I hope Blue Point is among them as his pedigree is a change from the usual sprinter. Idon't know where Cracksman will end up but the gloss has gone for him this year and he needs a wet Ascot. No doubt there will be plenty more in the pipeline...
Report truehoncho October 5, 2018 9:09 PM BST
Yes 2.5k too much. Last year I suggested him at £3k. He will be got for that in his 3/4th season. 90% of his yearlings will lose money at 8.5k. He will be lucky to get 30 mares in his second season.
Report Johnny_Mustang October 6, 2018 8:53 AM BST
Whitsbury announcement imminent.
Report Big Black Cat October 7, 2018 4:51 PM BST
Will be interesting to see what fee Saxon Warrior will command.  Im thinking E25K (presuming he will stand at Coolmore Ire).
Report Johnny_Mustang October 9, 2018 5:03 PM BST
Havana Grey to Whitsbury and Rajasinghe to National Stud. Don't laugh, but it wouldn't be the biggest shock in the world to see Cracksman follow the latter there.
Report Formtwist October 9, 2018 7:25 PM BST
Phew, I can stop refreshing the RP Bloodstock page Johnny-M. Your definition of imminent and mine differed a little, though I'd guessed the Whitsbury one right having trawled the statistics. They'd have hoped for a bit better run on Sunday of course. Any more in the pipeline that you can hint to?
Report Johnny_Mustang October 9, 2018 7:48 PM BST
Nothing concrete Formtwist but the team behind Aclaim might have another for TNS.
Report Wilycayote October 10, 2018 4:31 PM BST
HG should be a good fit for Whitsbury. He’s a good looking horse from what I can remember.

Not saying your wrong, but can’t believe Rajasinge is up to scratch. Is that definite?
Report Wilycayote October 11, 2018 9:00 AM BST
You were right Johnny. Lancaster Bomber to INS. Bit of a strange one for me. Does anyone get excited about a Tatts Gold cup winner? Also his half bro was a better racehorse and has already been canned commercially.
Report zygote October 11, 2018 7:38 PM BST
All in all, the potential stallions for 2019 seem a tad underwhelming. Cracksman would be the only one I would look twice at. Masar hasn't been seen since the Derby and the other classic winners of 2018 are inconsistent. There is no sprinter that can truly be called a champion, unless Harry Angel comes sensationally back next week.
Report Formtwist October 12, 2018 11:10 PM BST
Well. a proper good one in Poet's Word to a stud that prices them very fairly too. Looking forward to the fees for him and Tasleet. With you Wily on the NS recruits but no doubt others will see opportunities in them. Occurs to me that after Lancaster Bomber there are a number of other second division Ballydoyle inmates looking for studs away from Coolmore - apart from a plethora of War Fronts wonder if Gustav Klimt might be among them, maybe Washington DC too. Some studs might need some new stallions to keep the interest going - is Highclere happily pinning everything on Cable Bay or is another heading there? Lanwades has unfortunate vacancies and I always hope for a pedigree surprise from Miss Rausing. Anyone know anything more?
Report Big Black Cat October 13, 2018 2:01 PM BST
They will be desperate for a Cracksman win at Ascot, to get him off to stud with another group 1.  You can see the tsglines now.

SON OF FRANKEL OUT OF A SIRE OF SIRES
EUROPEAN CHAMPION 3 YO
GREAT VALUE AT £100K.....

He'll enjoy servicing those fillies no doubt.

I'm sure there will be plenty of interest, but there will be a very inflated fee no doubt.
Report Formtwist October 13, 2018 5:12 PM BST
Perhaps BBC, and whatever the outcome of the match if it happens I'll not be affording either of them, but I'd far rather send a mare to Roaring Lion than to Cracksman. By my assessment he has the better temperament, was earlier maturing, has more speed, seems more durable and more versatile.
Report Big Black Cat October 14, 2018 3:21 PM BST
I agree Formtwist.  A very revealing interview with the trainer on RPTV, where he says he'd use blinkers on Cracksman at Ascot to help him concentrate, as he's interested in the fillies when he walks around the yard.  As he was at RA.

I remember James Fanshawe describing SOVIET DREAM (OASIS DREAM-SOVIET SONG) as a horse who wanted to be a stallion without having to run on the racecourse.

Interesting that Roaring Lion has the QEII option as well.  I wonder if a deal is in the offing??? Cos if I was RL's owners I'd be running in the Champion unless it came up like a bog!
Report proxygene October 14, 2018 3:51 PM BST
At 10.15 this AM the going was already reported as soft...
Report Wilycayote October 15, 2018 7:38 AM BST
Ok, now they’re taking the biscuit, Washington DC is the ultimate dodge-pot. A high head carriage, blinkers, and a whole lot of 2nd’s. No thanks.
Report workrider October 16, 2018 11:59 AM BST
Gustav is tiny and will have a job covering big mares even with a helping hand...Laugh
Report Johnny_Mustang October 16, 2018 12:43 PM BST
I'm the same.
Report workrider October 16, 2018 10:55 PM BST
Laugh
Report Wilycayote October 22, 2018 10:48 AM BST
slightly surprised to see Unfortunately gain a spot on the Cheveley Roster. Didnt think he quite cut the mustard for them.

Decent 2yo, but he's not impressive to look at. Probably why he didnt train on.
Report Formtwist October 22, 2018 4:53 PM BST
Now Wily, a trip to Specsavers is clearly needed as Chris Richardson describes him as "a gorgeous-looking individual with a quality outlook". I haven't seen him myself yet, and his yearling price might possibly support your comment but would you send a mare to a stallion with that name however stunning he is? I couldn't.
Report Wilycayote October 23, 2018 7:51 PM BST
good point  formtwist. we live in a world where most people use agents, and what agent will want to answer the question "what did you buy me?"
"an Unfortunately". oh....thanks
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