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Wilycayote
27 Sep 18 21:56
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time of year when the new retirees get announced. feel free to add flesh to the rumours....

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By:
Wilycayote
When: 27 Sep 18 21:57
G Scott announced that James Garfield retires after Longchamp. odds-on in IRE
By:
sageform
When: 28 Sep 18 09:07
A nearly horse if ever there was one. Fortunately he usually started at an e/w price as he was often placed.
By:
truehoncho
When: 02 Oct 18 12:10
From a good family and should be popular. What about Invincible Army? and how much for Lightening Spear?
By:
e14
When: 02 Oct 18 14:37
I may have missed it (apologies if being stupid!) but it looks like Cracksman's next run (in either the Arc or Champion Stakes) will be his last before being retired - presumably to stud. Anyone know where he will stand?
By:
Formtwist
When: 05 Oct 18 08:09
Lightning Spear £8500 I hear Truehonch which seems a bit high to me but he has appeal. So far we have him, Tasleet Massaat and Saxon Warrior I think as new sires.Darley retirees could be interesting this time, and personally I hope Blue Point is among them as his pedigree is a change from the usual sprinter. Idon't know where Cracksman will end up but the gloss has gone for him this year and he needs a wet Ascot. No doubt there will be plenty more in the pipeline...
By:
truehoncho
When: 05 Oct 18 21:09
Yes 2.5k too much. Last year I suggested him at £3k. He will be got for that in his 3/4th season. 90% of his yearlings will lose money at 8.5k. He will be lucky to get 30 mares in his second season.
By:
Johnny_Mustang
When: 06 Oct 18 08:53
Whitsbury announcement imminent.
By:
Big Black Cat
When: 07 Oct 18 16:51
Will be interesting to see what fee Saxon Warrior will command.  Im thinking E25K (presuming he will stand at Coolmore Ire).
By:
Johnny_Mustang
When: 09 Oct 18 17:03
Havana Grey to Whitsbury and Rajasinghe to National Stud. Don't laugh, but it wouldn't be the biggest shock in the world to see Cracksman follow the latter there.
By:
Formtwist
When: 09 Oct 18 19:25
Phew, I can stop refreshing the RP Bloodstock page Johnny-M. Your definition of imminent and mine differed a little, though I'd guessed the Whitsbury one right having trawled the statistics. They'd have hoped for a bit better run on Sunday of course. Any more in the pipeline that you can hint to?
By:
Johnny_Mustang
When: 09 Oct 18 19:48
Nothing concrete Formtwist but the team behind Aclaim might have another for TNS.
By:
Wilycayote
When: 10 Oct 18 16:31
HG should be a good fit for Whitsbury. He’s a good looking horse from what I can remember.

Not saying your wrong, but can’t believe Rajasinge is up to scratch. Is that definite?
By:
Wilycayote
When: 11 Oct 18 09:00
You were right Johnny. Lancaster Bomber to INS. Bit of a strange one for me. Does anyone get excited about a Tatts Gold cup winner? Also his half bro was a better racehorse and has already been canned commercially.
By:
zygote
When: 11 Oct 18 19:38
All in all, the potential stallions for 2019 seem a tad underwhelming. Cracksman would be the only one I would look twice at. Masar hasn't been seen since the Derby and the other classic winners of 2018 are inconsistent. There is no sprinter that can truly be called a champion, unless Harry Angel comes sensationally back next week.
By:
Formtwist
When: 12 Oct 18 23:10
Well. a proper good one in Poet's Word to a stud that prices them very fairly too. Looking forward to the fees for him and Tasleet. With you Wily on the NS recruits but no doubt others will see opportunities in them. Occurs to me that after Lancaster Bomber there are a number of other second division Ballydoyle inmates looking for studs away from Coolmore - apart from a plethora of War Fronts wonder if Gustav Klimt might be among them, maybe Washington DC too. Some studs might need some new stallions to keep the interest going - is Highclere happily pinning everything on Cable Bay or is another heading there? Lanwades has unfortunate vacancies and I always hope for a pedigree surprise from Miss Rausing. Anyone know anything more?
By:
Big Black Cat
When: 13 Oct 18 14:01
They will be desperate for a Cracksman win at Ascot, to get him off to stud with another group 1.  You can see the tsglines now.

SON OF FRANKEL OUT OF A SIRE OF SIRES
EUROPEAN CHAMPION 3 YO
GREAT VALUE AT £100K.....

He'll enjoy servicing those fillies no doubt.

I'm sure there will be plenty of interest, but there will be a very inflated fee no doubt.
By:
Formtwist
When: 13 Oct 18 17:12
Perhaps BBC, and whatever the outcome of the match if it happens I'll not be affording either of them, but I'd far rather send a mare to Roaring Lion than to Cracksman. By my assessment he has the better temperament, was earlier maturing, has more speed, seems more durable and more versatile.
By:
Big Black Cat
When: 14 Oct 18 15:21
I agree Formtwist.  A very revealing interview with the trainer on RPTV, where he says he'd use blinkers on Cracksman at Ascot to help him concentrate, as he's interested in the fillies when he walks around the yard.  As he was at RA.

I remember James Fanshawe describing SOVIET DREAM (OASIS DREAM-SOVIET SONG) as a horse who wanted to be a stallion without having to run on the racecourse.

Interesting that Roaring Lion has the QEII option as well.  I wonder if a deal is in the offing??? Cos if I was RL's owners I'd be running in the Champion unless it came up like a bog!
By:
proxygene
When: 14 Oct 18 15:51
At 10.15 this AM the going was already reported as soft...
By:
Wilycayote
When: 15 Oct 18 07:38
Ok, now they’re taking the biscuit, Washington DC is the ultimate dodge-pot. A high head carriage, blinkers, and a whole lot of 2nd’s. No thanks.
By:
workrider
When: 16 Oct 18 11:59
Gustav is tiny and will have a job covering big mares even with a helping hand...Laugh
By:
Johnny_Mustang
When: 16 Oct 18 12:43
I'm the same.
By:
workrider
When: 16 Oct 18 22:55
Laugh
By:
Wilycayote
When: 22 Oct 18 10:48
slightly surprised to see Unfortunately gain a spot on the Cheveley Roster. Didnt think he quite cut the mustard for them.

Decent 2yo, but he's not impressive to look at. Probably why he didnt train on.
By:
Formtwist
When: 22 Oct 18 16:53
Now Wily, a trip to Specsavers is clearly needed as Chris Richardson describes him as "a gorgeous-looking individual with a quality outlook". I haven't seen him myself yet, and his yearling price might possibly support your comment but would you send a mare to a stallion with that name however stunning he is? I couldn't.
By:
Wilycayote
When: 23 Oct 18 19:51
good point  formtwist. we live in a world where most people use agents, and what agent will want to answer the question "what did you buy me?"
"an Unfortunately". oh....thanks
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