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These sort of sales can get overlooked as a rule for the obvious reasons because they can be a sort of dumping ground for the rubbish its the same sort of sale as Goresbridge,but its worth keeping an eye on them as an example take a look at lot 72,in your opinions would this filly be a good prospect?I'd be interested to know what others think.And just in case your wondering I have no interest in her she just caught my eye with her sire and the 2nd dam was a top filly who died young,lets have some views.
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2yo winner by Invincible Spirit is the only real marketing tool for her I think sadly.
She doesn't miss by too far as a cheapie but I can see that Ascot is probably her venue. Poor old Culture Vulture, I remember liking her well enough, but all she had was the fairly poisonous Lammtarra to help keep her memories alive. It's a page with no flat black type until the 4th dam (excluding C V) when you come to sell, so it's not for me, but if you could produce a beautiful foal and hang it on Invincible Spirit 2yo winner then maybe someone should give it a shot |
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Remember backing her second time out when she ran bad,she was badly place by her trainer imo but giving him the benefit of the doubt Im presuming with the gaps she had her problems, she should have had at least another 1 to her name, a nicely bred filly.
BTW Jaber Abullah aint done half bad out of Goresbridge |
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I quite like lot 55.
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PP, Sure you've noticed already but lot 55 runs in the seller at Wolverhampton today
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I see that the 2 y'old winning filly by Invincible Spirit lot 72 made 800gns.........at the money I'd say she was a bargain,lot 55 withdrawn and one for Littleun2 Pint Size 2k not sure but looks like he's heading off somewhere warm.
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800 Guineas, jesus that is astonishing, haven't looked but she must have been very deficient in some way in the looks or conformation department because surely she must have a bit of pedigree if her dam went to IC, i've a bit of land, but no money, knowledge and little time but I still find myself thinking she could have been a bit of fun
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Well well look who I've seen in Goff's Feb sale lot 490 the one and only Child Bride the very same Invincible Spirit filly who was sold for just 800gns at the last Ascot sale,I will be very interested to see what she makes this time around at a 'respectable' sale.
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Fascinating!
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A very nice return yesterday 13.5k unsold in the ring later I understand sold outside for very close to the figure achieved 'inside'.Glad to see some people back their own judgements by looking beyond the end of their nose's.A bit of shrewd pinhooking there,personally she looked a nice filly.At times in this industry you need a bit of courage and foresight to make it work the right way........lot 490 is a prime example!
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im still in shock at 800 quid, nicely done by yesterdays seller
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Well done to connections indeed. Having the doodahs to bid her up to those levels when it was there for all to see what she had made at Ascot was notable. I Definitely think that she wouldn't look too pretty in Tattersalls format but if she's capable of a commercial foal, her 2yo win and Invincible Spirit may take her far enough. I saw her from a distance briefly but she looked okay and well.
Trade yesterday was hot mind. The usual tale when the obvious was scarce and obvious to all. I wanted a nice strong filly late on even though she had 2 derby winners close up which I thought would put plenty off, it didn't. Plenty seemed to be more popular than they had been in earlier sales. |
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Ballz, that markup is nearly a bloody years wages to me at the moment, knew I should have stepped in, I actually own a horsebox and everything, just that its more used to having cattle in it.
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Trade was as you say hot,Bushranger mania still holding up well.That filly Pot M the one you were on for,if its who I'm thinking of you should of gone a bit more.
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I appreciate times are bad for everyone but if circumstances are suitable is it not an idea for 2/3 people to get together and have a pop in a similar situation to whats being discussed ref the Ascot/Goffs situation.Someone can have the knowledge/ground etc but not the finance.This is when another person coming in could hopefully make things happen,just a thought
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Well you know how it is Prima, people advise you how you should have bought this/upped your limit for that, but how can you ever really know their motives
Do they really think it's value, or does it turn out they had a connection - however loose ofcourse. . . Anyway, fact is I didn't have the b@lls to buy anything - again. I've had so many reversals recently that my confidence is still a bit battered and having turned things around a fraction I'm not too keen to go back to disasterville again. Hopefully one day I'll rediscover a balance  midas7 we've all enjoyed discussing Lot 490. If you can lay your hands on the next star I'll finance the 800quid. Go to it! |
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Yes I too know how it is Pot M,when in doubt do nowt as the old saying goes,being in business I've always trusted my own judgement its always the best,you made the right descion buy in haste repent at leisure.
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what about 101 in the next ascot sale?
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If its not too far to go to see her then yes she could be worth a punt,2y'old winner out of GR1 placed mare.As I said with the opening post these sales are easy dismiss without really looking.The whole industry is fuelled mostly by rumour you can fall into thinking if she's in that sale she's there for a reason as if she was any good she'd be in a 'proper' sale.People then perhaps think shrewder operators than themselves think she's not worth a light.The fact is sometimes owners either cant afford to go on so want out at the next available sale as happened with the Invincible Spirit filly who found her way to 'cheap' Ascot only to be judged fairly by the industry and then attain her real value!
If lot 101 is a nice sort then why not?She's got a US page,pages like hers don't truly excite me as much as others but I'd not dismiss her maybe without at least a look.what do you think of lot 14?By Pivotal who I think has a future as a good BM sire from a classy fast pedigree,I'd like to see a win soon and no two ways she's pretty weak through the 1st dam but the 2nd dam's good enough certainly for a cheapie. |
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Hi PD,
i like 101's page, plenty of 2yo winners. not sure why she wasn't sold for £16k at Tatts. I also thought lot 35 may be worth a chnce if she looks good, but she is a windsucker which puts me off. i like US families, i think they go well with Danzig line stallions. They are ideal for value sons of Danehill Dancer and Oasis Dream etc. In fact lot 14's 3rd dam in US bred. I am intending to go and will look at all three. |
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Yes 101 page has enough early winners there to make a case and your right about Danzig line stallions.Just as an example my daughter picked up a mare out of training there a few years ago one who had made 14k at the HIT Tatt's sale before her Ascot entry,she is from about one of the best current family's going also she is a multiple sprint winner.She snapped her up for nothing.They now have her first yearling by one of the hottest stallions going and is in foal to another red hot sire.I am in no doubt her shrewdness in having the nowse to go to such a 'cheap' sale will pay them back well this autumn.So good luck next week I hope you achieve a similar result to both lot 490 at Goffs and my daughter!With Hooray right there in lot 14's 2nd dam you could use Zebedee..........just a thought.
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And for the NH breeder I would suggest Lot 102,cracking staying chaser line,remember Dalkey Sound well grey mare owned by Geoff Brown for many years Chairman and top honcho with St Johnstone (owner/breeder Silver By Nature)would'nt surprise me if he bought this lass.
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i've been following this post all last week hoping tomorrows sale had slipped under the radar!
Lot 101 and at a push 35 (windsucker/crib-biter more unattractive than race record) for nothing are very much at my end of the scale. It will be interesting to see what the vendors of lot 101 do tomorrow after seeing it unsold at 18k 10 weeks ago .. perhaps they've got too many tesco shares and need to sell but its going to be an eye waterer unless they play silly buggers and try to run it up again My worry with both of these are fertility issues where current vendors are cutting losses after early problems with maidens but everything has its price |
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Hi Truehoncho,
I noticed in the Brightwells website lots 14 and 15 have scanned in foal to Piccolo, I assume thats a wee bonus for a potential buyer,good luck with whatever you decide, the one I liked 102 is withdrawn!! |
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Good luck next week I said truehoncho,Sorry its tomorrow I don't even know what day of the week it is!Lot 14's 2nd dam has a High Chapparral 2 y'old colt who made 30k as a yearling and is now in foal to Dark Angel.The mare herself made 22k as an unraced 3y'old at Tatt's July sale.Let us know how you get on.
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Lot 101 was nowhere to be seen before the sale and although eventually "sold" it was not there to sell - bit of a wasted day
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do you know why SD?
she squeaked into my budget but without seeing her it was a no goer. i liked 35 now wish i'd bid on her. PD 14 withdrawn |
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Searched all over for 101 and assumed was withdrawn so it looks it was all a bit of a sham to change ownership with it effectively being a vendor buyback (filly goes and comes back on same lorry to same barn). £7k prob about right - not expensive but then again its not a steal
Could nt quite convince myself at anything above a grand for lot35. Again 2k is neither expensive or particularly a bargain. I costed it up based on Kheleyf or Vale of York cover, vets, keep and purchase as about 11k to Dec Mares for my set up and was not confident that it would make that or much more and was happy to let someone else have a go |
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I see that today truehoncho,what a bloody pain.A couple of years ago I sent someone there to get a Danzero filly who had a decent page and I felt sure she could be got for stone nothing,only to find she was withdrawn at the last minute within an hour of the sale.It would of been a nice prospect as within a couple of weeks her close relation Lahaleeb won the EP Taylor stakes that's the sort of update we all could do with.What stopped you on 35 if you liked her?
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i only had room for 1 and at the time held out for 101. did teh same thing a year ago at doncaster and missed a nice filly. oh well, maybe there will be something in the july sale.
i liked 101 because her page looked racey and if you got a nice colt by a showcasing or a MonBond (which would suit her), you could reasonably expect to get all your investment back and maybe a little profit with the first foal. |
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i only had room for 1 and at the time held out for 101. did teh same thing a year ago at doncaster and missed a nice filly. oh well, maybe there will be something in the july sale.
i liked 101 because her page looked racey and if you got a nice colt by a showcasing or a MonBond (which would suit her), you could reasonably expect to get all your investment back and maybe a little profit with the first foal. |
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truehoncho,Take a look at lot 63 of the next Ascot sale due April 23rd.This filly looks just the sort you may want,plenty to like about the page and the dam has a 2 y'old gelding who made 180k to the HK jockey club last year by Oasis Dream along with a Mastercraftsman yearling colt.She is most likely typical of Zamindar on the big side but with the page working well with Oasis Dream a great looking sire like Approve might suit her.See what you think.
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thanks PD, will take a look.
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She certainly would fit the bill PD. As you say, she looks very suitable for sons of OD and maybe Green Desert. I really like Dubawi (who doesn't?) and as she was bought by H Cecil for good money as a yearling she must look ok too. I will let you know how I get on with my limited budget. Thanks again.
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Truehoncho how do you know she was bought by as a yearling? I dont see that info on the racing post site. What about lot 105 if she was cheap or is box walking too much of a turn off. I'm not buying by the way just curious
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Ovalu, i realised shortly after I posted that it was her sister sold as a yearling. I suppose someone had to notice my utter incompetence. Other than that, she still looks a nice prospect.
Not really qualified to answer your other point, maybe one of the more experienced posters could help. I am now going to check every other post I've made for daft comments!! |
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On paper Lot 105 would be my pick however she does smack of a horse with a lot of question marks that require a full investigation. I hate box walkers but there are many degrees so I would want to be sure it was liveable with.
I imagine that for me the Zamindar is too big. Plenty of potential pedigree updates, but you have to start with a mare that can do the job. All the updates in the world don't change that but they would help a resale for her if you are a mare trader. If you can get to the sale these types are definitely worthy of a closer look though. |
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While everyone has focused on the 300K paid for the Exceed & Excel / Wunders Dream at Doncaster they have missed the big news that at Ascot lot 63 was withdrawn and lot 105 made 1,500.00!
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To be honest I wouldn't want a box walker, but 1.5k was cheap. a shame 63 was withdrawn though. Next possible targets for me are 18 and 22 at next Tatts sale. Any comments?
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I reckon that Prima Donna Towers has just taken delivery of a privately purchased Zamindar mare - you've been blown out of the water truehoncho!
I can't make my mind up about 18 and 22 but I think I would perhaps have 'placed at 2' slightly higher than 'unraced out of unraced' even though it's a better page. It's a real stayers page too. But I am sure if you look at them both there will be no doubt as which shineds brightest. I love the Wunders Dream colt described as slack pasterned and with issues in front. I'm good at breeding those - where's my 300k lads? ! |